Found Safe TN - Mary Catherine Elizabeth Thomas, 15, Maury County, 13 March 2017 #8

[Deleted member 172065]

She is 5'2 not 5'5 we keep trying it get this corrected. I'm 5'0. Her younger sister is 5'3.5. ET is right between us at about 5'2. Non of us are anywhere near 5'5

important info here.

 

[indianwin2001]

I remember her being left-handed. A lot of times things like cutting sewing, using cooking utensils, etc.. Lefties learn to do those things with their right hand because many things are made for right handed people.

With sewing you are left to right generally, so ET could have been taught to sew by a righty or learned with instructions for right-handed people.

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Thanks--I'm a lefty and I do everything with my left hand-- I also don't sew-lol--- In the video though, ET also gestures with her right hand and her left hand is basically by her side---maybe Kat can answer if ET is left-handed or maybe she is ambedexterous

 

[Dogface]

I'm a paralegal and subpoena cell phone records all of the time. Burner phone information is non existent unless they registered their phone to pay for minutes online. Also, the cell phone carriers track data usage but not specific websites visited. That's what concerns me about a AirBnB rental. Book one on a phone and there isn't a way to track that if not paid with a personal credit card. I hope that FBI has more tools.

That's an interesting thought regarding airbnbs. I run some airbnbs, I am not sure if you can use a prepaid credit card on it, I need to look into that! There is also VRBO, which is really popular along the condos in the gulf, probably more so than Airbnb.


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[KKearns]

Thanks--I'm a lefty and I do everything with my left hand-- I also don't sew-lol--- In the video though, ET also gestures with her right hand and her left hand is basically by her side---maybe Kat can answer if ET is left-handed or maybe she is ambedexterous

Also I didn't think about this.. With many phone pictures and maybe video sometimes, an image can get completely reversed when it is uploaded, so the mirror image is what you see. So yes this is good info for her to clarify for us.

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[Karinna]

There is no such thing as no accent.

A southern accent is noticeable, other types not so much depending where you are from.

 

[Deleted member 172065]

I'm not crazy about NG in general. However, the one thing that she does that may be very beneficial in cases like this is to very forcefully address issues about 'willingness' 'consent' etc. It sounds like the community ET is in was in danger of going down the slippery slope of victim blamingj and just plain ignorance and that leads to complacency. The TC supporters in the community need a reality check and if NG's 'in your face' style gives any of them that then I'm all in favor of it.

I definitely would never had heard about various crime stories if it was not for her show, and her passion.

 

[Vedder]

Regarding ET taking her toothbrush and hairbrush - totally normal things to take if you think you're going somewhere overnight, or if you intend to "run away".

 

[MCElizabethsSISTER]

Regarding that video, I remember reading somewhere that ET was left-handed. In the video,she is sewing with her RIGHT hand and also gesturing with her right hand. Does anyone remember if we were told what her dominant hand is.

I think the video is flipped. She is 100% left handed.

 

[abeaman02]

They just played the song with him singing on the radio I think I just threw up a little in my mouth that poor girl

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[KKearns]

I think the video is flipped. She is 100% left handed.

Makes sense, I had mentioned that pictures get flipped when uploaded and sometimes video does. Most people don't realize that happens, I just know due to some cell forums and discussion.

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[Mountain_Kat]

Cummins, who taught in Culleoka, Tennessee, was fired earlier this week, the TBI said. His dismissal came after authorities issued a warrant for him on the sexual misconduct charge.

That charge was based on an "alleged interaction" with a teen, the TBI said. Cummins was not Thomas' teacher, and the history of their relationship is unknown, TBI Private Investigative Officer Josh Devine said.
http://www.ktts.com/news/national/t...der-as-police-search-for-him-15-year-old-girl

Wait....what ? I was under the impression that TC was ET's teacher. No idea how I came to that conclusion, but I did. So, if he wasn't her teacher, what was she doing hanging out in his classroom?! And why the hell didn't the school put a stop it ? Not just ET, but any of these many kids that apparently just hung out with him ? He was just Good Time Charlie with a ready made hangout for his teenaged "friends" , and no-one at this school saw a problem with this?

Mind boggling.

 

[indianwin2001]

Makes sense, I had mentioned that pictures get flipped when uploaded and sometimes video does. Most people don't realize that happens, I just know due to some cell forums and discussion.

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Thanks I didn't know this.

 

[Deleted member 278]

They just played the song with him singing on the radio I think I just threw up a little in my mouth that poor girl

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I hope it wasn't a broadcast simply to make fun of his singing.

 

[indianwin2001]

Wait....what ? I was under the impression that TC was ET's teacher. No idea how I came to that conclusion, but I did. So, if he wasn't her teacher, what was she doing hanging out in his classroom?! And why the hell didn't the school put a stop it ? Not just ET, but any of these many kids that apparently just hung out with him ? He was just Good Time Charlie with a ready made hangout for his teenaged "friends" , and no-one at this school saw a problem with this?

Mind boggling.

No IIRC TC taught her health and than forensics-she was a student in his class

 

[Gray]

http://wkrn.com/2017/03/29/elizabet...s-on-similarities-with-tennessee-amber-alert/

This is great. I'm glad he provided his input because I feel more hopeful now as well. I hope Elizabeth S. can get together with Elizabeth T. and can guide her through the healing process. I'm proud of E.S. for who she has become!

 

[Bently]

Exactly
Any educated person would know that her DNA would be on a lot of other things so taking her brush and toothbrush wouldn't really make a difference. They could get her DNA from tons of other sources in the home.
I don't think him asking her to possibly bring these items was for any other reason other than him wanting to keep Elizabeth.

While correct, I would think that law enforcement would want something that is dedicated to the user such as a toothbrush or a hairbrush.

:gaah: O/T Cindy Anthony giving LE the dog brush for Caylee iirc. That case... Grrrrr

 

[pegs]

I remember her being left-handed. A lot of times things like cutting sewing, using cooking utensils, etc.. Lefties learn to do those things with their right hand because many things are made for right handed people.

With sewing you are left to right generally, so ET could have been taught to sew by a righty or learned with instructions for right-handed people.

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Excellent point! I sew and it is a right-handed world.

 

[KKearns]

Wait....what ? I was under the impression that TC was ET's teacher. No idea how I came to that conclusion, but I did. So, if he wasn't her teacher, what was she doing hanging out in his classroom?! And why the hell didn't the school put a stop it ? Not just ET, but any of these many kids that apparently just hung out with him ? He was just Good Time Charlie with a ready made hangout for his teenaged "friends" , and no-one at this school saw a problem with this?

Mind boggling.

He was her teacher. From what I remember she took health from him in Dec 2015 when she first came to the school and then had forensics with him this year until they removed her from his class after the kiss. Maybe the statement meant he wasn't currently her teacher.

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[Mountain_Kat]

The thing is though, they could easily pass as any father and daughter as long as no one is acting romantic. Without knowing about this, I could sit next to them at McDonald's and think it was some father and daughter or uncle and niece and never have a red flag go off. There are plenty of unattractive fathers that have young, pretty daughters.

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I think I'd go with grand-father and grand-daughter if I was going by those Walmart pics.

 

[Deleted member 172065]

This is exactly why it matters if she went willingly or not.

Not 100% on board. 'You're safer if you go willing'. Not sure on that. People go willingly with guys all the time, and it doesn't necessarily make it safe. Locally and recently a young woman was with an ex (in her car) and got shot. She wasn't forced in, but it turned deadly.
another local woman wasn't forced in a car with ex but went on vacation with him and it also turned deadly.
Also, it's highly unlikely she'll want to stay with him.
Continuing with your train of thought. Because she willingly left with him, she can ask him 'can I leave now.' And he will say, sure. ?