Found Safe TN - MCET, 15, Abducted by Teacher, in Maury County, 13 March 2017 #18 *ARREST*

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But he will at least get aggravated statutory rape, 2-12 years and on the predator list for life. If it goes to state trail. A plea bargain could change that.

http://www.mckinneylawfirm.com/Articles/Tennessee-Statutory-Rape-Charges.shtml


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You can add indandering a minor by not having her medication with her (per previous thread), taking firearms into other states, stealing license plates, throwing electronics in public water....pollution, I am sure there is a longer list the Feds have. Maybe add on a few years, but all those years add up.
 
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You can add indandering a minor by not having her medication with her (per previous thread), taking firearms into other states, stealing license plates, throwing electronics in public water....pollution, I am sure there is a longer list the Feds have. Maybe add on a few years, but all those years add up.

I'm also thinking he could be in trouble for being a Mandated Reporter and not reporting her abuse that he knew about.

*Twenty States and the District of Columbia, Guam, the
Northern Mariana Islands, and the Virgin Islands specify in
the reporting laws the penalties for a failure to report.4
4 Alabama, California, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Louisiana, Maine,
Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, New Mexico, Rhode Island,
South Carolina, Tennessee, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, and
Wisconsin.
Upon conviction, a mandated reporter who fails to report
can face jail terms ranging from 30 days to 5 years, fines
ranging from $300 to $10,000, or both jail terms and fines.

Also, he lied about his assets to procure the loan on the vehicle. That must have some consequences.

There are likely a host of other smaller laws he broke during his escapade.
 
  • #604
Not too many of us here like tc. He looked out for himself, love bombed her. Used mcet for sex. Risked her life. Now wants to dump her and go back home. He considers himself some sort of hero.


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Rough and mostly estimated timeline based upon Friday's testimony and information previously released by the TBI from Super 8 motels:

(nights of)
March 13: Mississippi
March 14, 15: Oklahoma City OK
March 16,17: Guyman OK
March 18, 19: Colorado
March 20, 21, 22 (23?): Utah
March 23: Nevada


The first post regarding Slab City that I can find on any of MCET's threads is on March 24 (Thread 3, Post 981 by ImMimis).

TC bought an ipad to keep up with news about the case and to know what was being reported. Due to the timing of ImMimis' post and their stay at Slab City, I wonder if he read about Slab City here on WS.
 
  • #607
You can add indandering a minor by not having her medication with her (per previous thread), taking firearms into other states, stealing license plates, throwing electronics in public water....pollution, I am sure there is a longer list the Feds have. Maybe add on a few years, but all those years add up.

Thanks yes. Or he pleas out on the lessors and accepts the big penalty without contest
 
  • #608
I have an ex bf who mistreated his daughter and is now angry at her (now that she is an adult) and she won't have anything to do with him.
When he was angry at her, blunt me said, "You never built a relationship with her so why blame her? You were the adult. She was the child". We lasted 4 months too long.
Catch the analogy?
 
  • #609
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/father-abducted-tennessee-teen-speaks-46967405

"Elizabeth has been through a very traumatic experience she’s been traumatized and sometimes she'll be happy and laughing and back to the same old girl and then she’ll be sometimes in a fetal position crying. It’s a rollercoaster for her and it’s going to continue to be that way for a little bit because she’s been traumatized – she’s been programmed."

"She had lost some weight for sure, she looked like she’d really been through a lot. He had not been feeding her as well as he should have; she said they’d been eating flowers and things."


Bringing this interview with ET's father forward. You can decide if you believe him or the "unnamed source" from the DM.
 
  • #610
i'm not sure I really believe anyone (yet)...her father's job is to protect her, and he is. he's also taking advice from his lawyer, as he should. he's not going to say "she doesn't want to come home" even if it's true.

the unnamed source is, in a way, defending her as well. obviously there were children abused in the home (the charge states neglect as well) so perhaps said "source" is trying to say, out loud, that she shouldn't go home even when the time comes.

however warped this sounds...but I do believe the "rollercoaster" part. unfortunately...:sigh:
 
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i'm not sure I really believe anyone (yet)...her father's job is to protect her, and he is. he's also taking advice from his lawyer, as he should. he's not going to say "she doesn't want to come home" even if it's true.

the unnamed source is, in a way, defending her as well. obviously there were children abused in the home (the charge states neglect as well) so perhaps said "source" is trying to say, out loud, that she shouldn't go home even when the time comes.

however warped this sounds...but I do believe the "rollercoaster" part. unfortunately...:sigh:

Yeah, I don't believe 100% of anything. The thing that stood out to me as "off" was the source's statement that ET thought it was a "big, fun road trip" that she didn't want to end. Really? Being raped almost nightly, only getting hot showers in the first few days of the trip, taking my first kayak trip out on the ocean with (probably) no life jacket in rough conditions and having to be told to come back by LE, staying in Slab City commune, getting kicked out of Black Bear Ranch and ending up in an unfinished cabin with no heat in a cold part of the country is not MY idea of a "big, fun road trip" and I HIGHLY doubt that it was ET's. I find that statement absurd and very offensive. As to whether of not she wants to come home, I think it's way too early for her to come home, regardless of what she wants, and I think she needs more supervision than she was getting at home before she left. IMHO.

:cow:
 
  • #612
"As to whether of not she wants to come home, I think it's way too early for her to come home, regardless of what she wants, and I think she needs more supervision than she was getting at home before she left. IMHO."

(I can't quote posts)

so very true.
 
  • #613
I have a question that I don't recall being asked.

What are the options as to who could be paying for her treatment?

Would family insurance (Kaiser, Cigna etc) cover such yet the family pays?
Did LE whisk her to a facility that the family has to pay for but not covered by insurance?
Could the family have reached out to Elizabeth or Jaycee's organizations for help and funding?

I just wonder as this could be so very expensive for the family, and it could be out of their league for payment from their financials. I don't recall seeing any 🤬🤬🤬 accounts set up....

:thinking: how this is handled?
 
  • #614
From that link:


Yuck yuck yuck. If my dad did this, I don't think I could EVER forgive him and I sure as heck would NOT be going to the media telling them things like this. I don't care how picture perfect your life has been up until now and how much you love your daddy, if he abuses a young girl he's NOT a good father.

Wonder how much his dear daughter was paid for her Inside Edition interview, I'm sure it wasn't done for free.

I'm going to disagree with this, though it's just my opinion. I think it's possible he WAS always a good father or brother *in the context that they knew him*. I'm likely older than you (if that has any bearing), and I have seen twice in my life a situation where a "perfect" spouse/father/citizen did something drastically, wildly out of character like this (with drastic, life-changing consequences). And another time when said perfect spouse *almost* did. Middle-aged adults can and do 'crack' on occasion, and when they've spent a lifetime cultivating a seemingly perfect life, but are growing more hollow on the inside with each year that passes, it can be as devastating as it is unexpected. Not saying that's necessarily what happened here (I don't have access to all the facts nor do I know his actual frame of mind), but I DO believe his family, friends, and/or colleagues when they say that this "wasn't the Tad they knew."

I've read all the articles and docs, but am open to a slightly different take on this wildly improbable, not-too-well-thought-out flight to nowhere with a 15-yr old student. (Remember, I saw this happen with my own high school teacher and underaged classmate.) Rather than seeing TC as someone who was 'always' a groomer/child predator and who managed to keep that fact hidden for 30+ years, I am open to to the idea that he hasn't always been that way...but that in recent years, dealing with bankruptcy, confronting his own advancing middle-age and physical decline, and pehaps even conflicted about grandparenthood, that he began an internal downward slide. Eg., the story of his singing a song to another student earlier, and her reportedly not really knowing how she interpreted that--seems like there were at least some mixed interpersonal signals happening that could be an earlier clue to psychic shift of mind that was left unacknowledged and not dealt with--eventually blowing up into this horrific episode. JMO (and likely an unpopular one), but I do not see that song episode as "proof" that TC has been a child or adolescent predator and/or groomer all his life, fooling everyone all his life as to who he actually is. Though I may be wrong, all the history and evidence I've read so far seems to suggest (to me) that that song episode was more a red flag or symptom of the beginnings of 'losing his grip' (for want of a better phrase), that never really got acknowleged or addressed, so that his inward downward spiral was allowed to continue. It IS possible to look completely on top of things for 30 yrs in all areas of one's life, and then go completely off the deep end. Though not certain at this point, this possibility manifests itself in the complete irrationality of his actions, to me. It's not mere stupidity that makes a man think he can suddenly walk out on what he's spent 30 years of his life building, to kayak away to Mexico or join a commune for life with a 15-yr old "wife." This is irrational, wholly emotional behavior, that throws all reason to the wind. (I think it's even possible in his confused state, he might actually believe he loves both JC and ET.) Unfortunately, such a crisis is particularly devastating when that involves dragging another damaged, needy individual right down the drain with you.

This is not letting him off the hook (not talking legal insanity, here.) TC was the adult, he broke the law, shattered many lives (at least temporarily), and needs to be prosecuted. (*Invoking Bentley's mantra from p36, here.) Just another angle I've been considering from the sidelines.
 
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I'm going to disagree with this, though it's just my opinion. I think it's possible he WAS always a good father or brother *in the context that they knew him*. I'm likely older than you (if that has any bearing), and I have seen twice in my life a situation where a "perfect" spouse/father/citizen did something drastically, wildly out of character like this (with drastic, life-changing consequences). And another time when said perfect spouse *almost* did. Middle-aged adults can and do 'crack' on occasion, and when they've spent a lifetime cultivating a seemingly perfect life, but are growing more hollow on the inside with each year that passes, it can be as devastating as it is unexpected. Not saying that's necessarily what happened here (I don't have access to all the facts nor do I know his actual frame of mind), but I DO believe his family, friends, and/or colleagues when they say that this "wasn't the Tad they knew."

I've read all the articles and docs, but am open to a slightly different take on this wildly improbable, not-too-well-thought-out flight to nowhere with a 15-yr old student. (Remember, I saw this happen with my own high school teacher and underaged classmate.) Rather than seeing TC as someone who was 'always' a groomer/child predator and who managed to keep that fact hidden for 30+ years, I am open to to the idea that he hasn't always been that way...but that in recent years, dealing with bankruptcy, confronting his own advancing middle-age and physical decline, and pehaps even conflicted about grandparenthood, that he began an internal downward slide. Eg., the story of his singing a song to another student earlier, and her reportedly not really knowing how she interpreted that--seems like there were at least some mixed interpersonal signals happening that could be an earlier clue to psychic shift of mind that was left unacknowledged and not dealt with--eventually blowing up into this horrific episode. JMO (and likely an unpopular one), but I do not see that song episode as "proof" that TC has been a child or adolescent predator and/or groomer all his life, fooling everyone all his life as to who he actually is. Though I may be wrong, all the history and evidence I've read so far seems to suggest (to me) that that song episode was more a red flag or symptom of the beginnings of 'losing his grip' (for want of a better phrase), that never really got acknowleged or addressed, so that his inward downward spiral was allowed to continue. It IS possible to look completely on top of things for 30 yrs in all areas of one's life, and then go completely off the deep end. Though not certain at this point, this possibility manifests itself in the complete irrationality of his actions, to me. It's not mere stupidity that makes a man think he can suddenly walk out on what he's spent 30 years of his life building, to kayak away to Mexico or join a commune for life with a 15-yr old "wife." This is irrational, wholly emotional behavior, that throws all reason to the wind. (I think it's even possible in his confused state, he might actually believe he loves both JC and ET.) Unfortunately, such a crisis is particularly devastating when that involves dragging another damaged, needy individual right down the drain with you.

This is not letting him off the hook (not talking legal insanity, here.) TC was the adult, he broke the law, shattered many lives (at least temporarily), and needs to be prosecuted. (*Invoking Bentley's mantra from p36, here.) Just another angle I've been considering from the sidelines.

I agree with some of what you are saying and also agree with the previous poster that I don't think I'd be telling the press what a great daddy TC was or blowing him kisses in the courtroom. Part of what I find interesting about this case is the apparent Dr Jekyll/Mr. Hyde aspect of TC's personality. A while back I mentioned my former co-worker, whose son and son's friend committed a brutal murder. The son had a drug problem and had been in and out of jail for years. Anyway, my former co-worker got his son a good lawyer and went to court every day when he was on trial. I understand "support, but don't condone." But show some sensitivity to the victims - ET and your own mother.
 
  • #616
Children and young teens can do LOTS of stuff willingly. Does that mean it's safe or that it is a good/wise decision? We all know the answer to that.
Will he get convicted? I guess that depends on the jury.


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What she did, why she did it, or how she felt doesn't change the fact that what HE did is a Federal offense punishable by a minimum 10-year sentence. (And I believe there were possible fines as well.)

Will he be convicted? IMHO, I am 99% certain that he will. From what I have seen and IMHO, the government case is strong.

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Some new info here:

Decatur Alabama
Birmingham (Stole LP in Alabama)
Turned West (back roads)
Mississippi
Oklahoma (3 nights)
Cummins told authorities KY was bought for 2 purposes victim to shave legs and sexual purposes
Utah 3/4 nights
Nevada 1 Night
Into Southern California to San Diego

https://www.facebook.com/burt.staggs/posts/10158757623820038
 
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Well KY was important. Food.... We got flowers for that! Moo.


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Some new info here:

Decatur Alabama
Birmingham (Stole LP in Alabama)
Turned West (back roads)
Mississippi
Oklahoma (3 nights)
Cummins told authorities KY was bought for 2 purposes victim to shave legs and sexual purposes
Utah 3/4 nights
Nevada 1 Night
Into Southern California to San Diego

https://www.facebook.com/burt.staggs/posts/10158757623820038

Colorado 3 nights

Cortez, not Castro

Water @ Coronado Bay had become "treacherous" and there was a small vessel warning.
 
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