Found Safe TN - MCET, 15, Abducted by Teacher, in Maury County, 13 March 2017 #18 *ARREST*

[Vedder]

https://www.google.com/amp/wjhl.com...tad-cummins-found-in-northern-california/amp/

Police stated VIN came back as Cummins. That's how they ID them.

Reports not accurate make me fell mislead.

MOO

I guess it's because the VIN for the car was known to LE; meaning the VIN came back as the car reported in the Amber Alert (not necessarily who owned the car).

 

[Kapua]

Couldn't he also have a civil suit on his hands from whomever allowed his wife to borrow the vehicle?

I wonder if the family member purchased the vehicle and then JC and TC made payments to the family member, due to the Cummins' poor FICO score.

I'm thinking parents or sister. JMHO.

:cow:

 

[Hatfield]

Been following along every now and then to keep up with the latest.

Surprised about the car. Wonder if a son or daughter gave them the car as a gift. It will be interesting to find out whether or not the person who was financially responsible for it knew about the loan or not.

Maybe TC needed the relative to cosign on the loan.

 

[Hatfield]

This is the part that makes me think the car may have been a gift from a son or daughter because in order to get a "title loan" then wouldnt they have needed to have the car paid off already and have full title to the vehicle. So maybe a relative just gave it to them as a gift and the other relative may have had it paid off already and then TC pulled the loan stunt

"According to the FBI Cummins took out a title loan a few days prior to his disappearance with his 15 year old Maury County student.
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http://www.waynecountynow.net/singl...-Did-Not-Own-Nissan-Rogue-used-in-Amber-Alert

 

[Pamela_Brewer]

I ran a car fax check. As of today it was never reported as stolen.


MOO

 

[Pamela_Brewer]

I'm not sure if he owned the Jeep, but I know he has had it since 11/2014.
Most car loans are 48-60 months now aren't they?

Either could have been leased as well I suppose.

MOO

 

[Kapua]

Tell you what, if my brother took the car that I went out of my way to personally finance for him, left my sister-in-law that he'd been married to for 30+ years, and absconded with a teenager to have sex, I'd be a lot more PO-ed than his sister seems to be. JMHO.

:cow:

 

[Kapua]

Oh... one more thing. In CA, we have "legal owner" and "registered owner". So, if I get a bank loan, or even a personal loan from a family member, the bank/some other person can hold the title to the car, but it can be registered to me; that is, I pay the registration fees and drive it, if I get any tickets, I am responsible for them, but I do not own the car. I assume it's the same in other states? So JC or TC or JC/TC jointly could have been the registered owner(s), and the family member still the legal owner.

:cow:

 

[Deleted member 172065]

I think this was touched upon upthread re that parents are responsible for minors, and therefore they can give permission. But no one else can "take" that responsibility away from the parents (unless court ordered) and make decisions for the minor. That then is criminal.

When it was explained, it made perfect sense to me. :cow: :moo:

Bad wording in lay terms, but the best I can do to show differentiation. Perhaps someone else can explain better than I can.

Yes, exactly. For TC to 'move into' a situation and say he doesn't need the parent's or a judge's permission to take off with a teen is definitely a big problem, and the crime here. The laws against this type of thing is set up to protect the minor, not to be a 'big bad guy spoiling everyone's fun'.
Sounds like some people would support new laws to lower the age of minors. Do we really want to across the board lower the age of minors?
Throwing in random thoughts free of charge: If young girls married very young years ago, does that mean it's wise. Some of those cults out there, also, are trying to give young teens to the old guys. Was it the Jessups? Ewwww!


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[Deleted member 172065]

The talk about her appearance is very concerning. It doesn't matter if she looked 30. She is FIFTEEN mother-effin years old. She is a minor child.

When we start bringing the appearance of victims into play, why stop there. Why not say the scantily-clad adult asked to be gang-raped at a party? I thought we had moved past this kind of crap as a society.

You're right. Sometimes I relate to my youngest daughter who was a slow grower in high school. She got teased some and people would say to her, 'NO, you're not in HS.' She eventually got to 5'2. Whew! Slow getting there, though. (I'm short as well, but didn't know how long it took to get there I guess). Anyways, I remember always asking the doctor why she wasn't developing.
Anyhow, absolutely, it's not about a teen's physical stature. Good reminder.


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[stormymama]

You're right. Sometimes I relate to my youngest daughter who was a slow grower in high school. She got teased some and people would say to her, 'NO, you're not in HS.' She eventually got to 5'2. Whew! Slow getting there, though. (I'm short as well, but didn't know how long it took to get there I guess). Anyways, I remember always asking the doctor why she wasn't developing. Anyways, we relate often to our own lives.
Anyhow, absolutely, it's not about a teen's physical stature. Good reminder.


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I wasn't directing my comment toward you, for clarification. I see so many things elsewhere and with this forum being victim-friendly sometimes I vent my frustrations here.

Speaking of of relating to our own lives, my young teen (middle schooler) could easily pass for a college student. It doesn't mean she is the equivalent of an adult college student. For as mature as she looks, she's still very much a kid in need of constant reminders to brush teeth, rinse all the shampoo out, put clothes IN the hamper, etc. I'm thankful for the laws that protect her bc the court of public opinion may not (if god forbid she was ever in a bad situation.)

 

[asgaror]

The talk about her appearance is very concerning. It doesn't matter if she looked 30. She is FIFTEEN mother-effin years old. She is a minor child.

When we start bringing the appearance of victims into play, why stop there. Why not say the scantily-clad adult asked to be gang-raped at a party? I thought we had moved past this kind of crap as a society.

No freaking kidding! I could not agree more. The fact anyone is discussing her appearance at all )except in terms of appealing to the court for him to get a longer sentence) is seriously disturbing. Something very wrong with people.:facepalm:

 

[gitana1]

Is it actually a crime? Maybe unless you're famous. What about Doug Hutchison who married with her parents permission Courtney Stodden. He was 51 and she was 16.
And Joaquin Phoenix dating a 16 year old Allie Teilz.
Although neither one of them were married to someone else at the time. So it can & does happen. I think there were other celebs that have also married teenagers as well if you look into it. A lot around the age of 17.
http://www.fame10.com/entertainment/11-stars-who-dared-to-date-teenagers/

Each state is different. It is not statutory rape in Nevada if the minor is 16 or older. And minors are able to marry adults there, at age 16, with parents' permission. https://www.ageofconsent.net/states/nevada
Which is why Stodden and the dirty old man she married went there to be married.

California laws regarding statutory rape, however, made it illegal for him to have sex with her in California, where they lived, unless they were married. It's not legl for a 16 year old to marry a 51 year old in California, but if a married couple came to California with a valid marriage from another state, the adult would be exempt from prosecution:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_facto...riage_is_it_illegal_for_them_to_have_sex.html

So it comes down to the laws form state to state. In no state is sex with a minor under the age of 16, legal.

 

[gitana1]

No problem. I understand that but the law is still an in that regard IMO. There are also "arranged marriages" by parents in some circumstances that are less than favorable for the girl concerned, but that is another topic.

Yup. And I think the Stodden marriage was somewhat arranged. I feel her parents sold her to him. Gross. Oughta' be a law.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Yes, exactly. For TC to 'move into' a situation and say he doesn't need the parent's or a judge's permission to take off with a teen is definitely a big problem, and the crime here. The laws against this type of thing is set up to protect the minor, not to be a 'big bad guy spoiling everyone's fun'.
Sounds like some people would support new laws to lower the age of minors. Do we really want to across the board lower the age of minors?
Throwing in random thoughts free of charge: If young girls married very young years ago, does that mean it's wise. Some of those cults out there, also, are trying to give young teens to the old guys. Was it the Jessups? Ewwww!


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I, for one, think even 18 can be too young to marry, if you want to get into a discussion about that. (Do we?) My background (as well as current work) is in a field that deals with child development, and JMO, but I think it would be a rare 15-yr old today mature enough to handle such a (hopefully) committed life choice. Of course, back in the day, often times the adults in their lives made the choice for them, whether by arranged marriage, or perhaps 'shotgun' marriage if Pa thought his daughter's honor had been sullied.

People marrying earlier a few generations back did so for a lot of reasons that are often considered less relevant today. It was more of a 'marrying' culture back then (living with someone was considered scandalous), people often were working hard, full time, at a much younger age (child labors laws being different), and in many cases it was a more agrarian society, and women often had a dozen or more kids to work the family farm--so childbirth wasn't postponed, either. Life expectancy, too, was a good 15-20 years lower than today's average; people tended to assume responsibility earlier and 'grow up' faster.

My post mentioning historic age variances was not to lend validity to TC's actions - just agreeing with some others musing on here about how arbitrary the laws can seem for becoming of age (not just state to state, but century to century).

 

[Deleted member 172065]

Roll and scroll if you don't like Nancy grace. I love her!
That's how I got interested in reading about crime and justice.
http://www.crimeonline.com/2017/05/...eachers-brainwashing-and-grooming-techniques/


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[Deleted member 172065]

Late Mothers Day Thought: A little sad mcet didn't have a mother figure, but maybe someone can step up to the plate.
But so glad she got home safe. She didn't need to be 'galavanting all over tarnation'. Remember when mom used to say this? Sometimes old sayings say it best.



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[KaaBoom]

If people want to say it's ok for old men to take off with teens so be it. But laws would have to be changed to support that. Ages would have to be lowered to emancipate teens at a lower age. How low are people wanting to go?

Sorry to nitpick, but it is perfectly 100% legal for an old man to take off with an 18 or 19 year old teen in any state. In many situations it's legal for them to take off with a teen younger than that.

As for what the age for emancipation should be, I don't have a good answer for that. But this case proved that a 15 year old girl was mentally capable of making that decision.

The major problem I have with the laws are that it is perfectly legal for a 50 year old to have a relationship with an 18 year old. But if he or she starts that relationship one day before the 18th birthday of the younger person, that could result in a 10 year prison sentence. That is just insane to me.

 

[Jennifer17]

Sorry to nitpick, but it is perfectly 100% legal for an old man to take off with an 18 or 19 year old teen in any state. In many situations it's legal for them to take off with a teen younger than that.

As for what the age for emancipation should be, I don't have a good answer for that. But this case proved that a 15 year old girl was mentally capable of making that decision.

The major problem I have with the laws are that it is perfectly legal for a 50 year old to have a relationship with an 18 year old. But if he or she starts that relationship one day before the 18th birthday of the younger person, that could result in a 10 year prison sentence. That is just insane to me.

A groomed ten year old could make that decision too, if she was made to feel special for the first time in her life.

About the age thing, and being one day off the age of consent, that also applies to the legal drinking age. You have to have a mandated age.

 

[Bravo]

I check in here from time to time. I really have nothing to add. IMO it seems from what we do know ET has never known what "normal is". I pray one day she gets past this. Finds a new normal. I hope TC is prosecuted to the full extent of the Law. That's all I got.