Found Safe TN - MCET, 15, Abducted by Teacher, in Maury County, 13 March 2017 #18 *ARREST*

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  • #701
I find it bizarre that as long as a very young teenager gets parental permission it's okay to get married to whoever from what you state the laws are in that regard, yet a minor is still a minor and a crime without parental permission. Makes no sense to me.
And i wasn't really talking about TC in my post but the laws pertaining to those circumstances being criminal or not. Looks like it depends on the circumstances.

Actually I think that does make sense. It's parental rights vs the rights of the minor. The parents should have the right to consent to that. As I see it, this should be a family matter, not a government matter. I'm not comfortable with the government being involved in relationships at all. I see this just as an extension of the laws that used to make homosexuality illegal. How many teachers are we going to lock up, for having relationships with students, before we realize that it doesn't do any good. People are going to have relations with whomever they want. You can't tell people who to fall in love with.
 
  • #702
IMO a 15 yr. old does not know what love is. Especially one who has been abused. I'm out.
 
  • #703
A groomed ten year old could make that decision too, if she was made to feel special for the first time in her life.

About the age thing, and being one day off the age of consent, that also applies to the legal drinking age. You have to have a mandated age.

There is a big difference between a 10 year old an a 15 year old. A 15 year old has about 50% more brain development. It's very unlikely that a 10 year old would ever choose to voluntarily leave their home on their own, and go meet up with their teacher, even with grooming. I'm not saying it would be impossible, but it would be a man bites dog situation. A 15 year old is capable of making that decision, a 10 year old is not.

It's interesting that you bring up the legal drinking age. 45 states allow parents to give alcohol to their children under certain circumstances.
 
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Sorry to nitpick, but it is perfectly 100% legal for an old man to take off with an 18 or 19 year old teen in any state. In many situations it's legal for them to take off with a teen younger than that.

As for what the age for emancipation should be, I don't have a good answer for that. But this case proved that a 15 year old girl was mentally capable of making that decision.

The major problem I have with the laws are that it is perfectly legal for a 50 year old to have a relationship with an 18 year old. But if he or she starts that relationship one day before the 18th birthday of the younger person, that could result in a 10 year prison sentence. That is just insane to me.

This case did not in any way prove that a 15 year old was mentally capable of making the decision to go off with her 50 year old teacher. In fact, multiple, repeated posts demonstrate that it is the exact opposite - she was not mentally capable. Hence the laws against allowing such a thing.

As for the age at which it becomes illegal seeming illogical because the day before a kid turns 18 their predator can be sentenced to 10 years, well, it's the grain of sand argument. At what age does a human become adult enough to make rational decisions?

Clearly, that concept has changed. There was an old saying that sounds pretty horrible/racist today, from the 1800's, that illustrates that point - "I'm free, white and 21". Which meant he could do what he wanted. So in the old days, despite many early marriages, parents controlled that an could forbid it. 21 was seen, then, as the age at which a person was mature enough to be free from their parents' yoke.

Today it is 18 in most places, although while people can't drink under 21, they can go to war and die. And while they can't vote under 18, in some states they can marry dirty old men.

It seems arbitrary, but it's not. I feel that any time there is an imbalance of power, whether by age or position of authority or cognitive abilities, it is gross and immoral. Of course not everything that's gross and immoral is illegal. In fact, there is often no societal consensus as to what's gross and immoral!

But when it comes to things like age-related capacity, it is necessary to have a line somewhere. Our culture decides where that line is based on various factors including how we define childhood, the evolution of psychology and advances in science that can tell us how the brain functions. Based on all of that, the line is typically between 16-18 at present in most states, and at the lower end typically with qualifiers.

I think 18 is a good line. And we have to understand that charges against someone who had sex with a minor without force, a day or two before they turned 18, really don't happen unless additional factors are present that make it a particularly disturbing case.

Interestingly, in no state is it less than 16. And I think there are good reasons for that. What age do you feel is appropriate? Or are you saying there should be no line above puberty at all?

I mean right now the law categorizes severity based on age-disparity and age of the victim. What's your opinion if 15 is too old?
 
  • #706
I just watched "Trust" and that movie is almost parallel. It's so scary. :(
 
  • #707
I haven't commented much, but I just need to say just because you are capable of making a decision does not mean it is healthy or wise. Hell, I was still making really idiotic choices into my early 20's. No way was I or anyone I hung around with capable of making a life altering decision at 15(although we certainly thought we had it all figured out). I just wasn't capable of thinking of the long-term effects on my mind or body at only 15 years old. I think this speaks true to most 15 year olds as well. They are still kids and still learning and figuring out the world and themselves, they should be free to do that without adults preying on their every insecurity for their own sick perversions.
 
  • #708
RSBM

I respectfully disagree with the snipped part of your post. I don't see any indication that only a small number of us, on these threads, support ET as a victim. I see it as the opposite.

I am one of the posters who supports JC as a victim, but that certainly in no way makes me unsupportive of ET as a victim. They're not mutually exclusive.

I agree, and anyone but TC is a victim in this case in a variation of what damage to those people he has left in his path, IMO. It was his decision alone to do what he did and no one else is at fault.
 
  • #709
To clarify I meant "that kind of love". Of course children can love their parents etc. etc......Lordy!
 
  • #710
That was in response to the statement that a "15 yr old does not know what love is". You will never find a psychologist to agree with that statement. Children are not incapable of understanding love. Some might argue that very young children are not capable of understanding it, but no reasonable person would argue that a 15 year old is incapable of understanding love.

Of course, a child/infant only thrives on love and without it a child/infant will grow up psychologically damaged. As a matter of fact every human no matter what age thrives on love & caring.
What are we if we are not Love? It's the source we came from originally and the source we return to at death i would think. And what human beings do here mostly is not the love in its true sense, but it's what we seek all through our human lives from cradle to grave and beyond. Without love we have nothing, and not the stroking of egos we call love in this physical world, love is something else entirely.
All IMO.
 
  • #711
I haven't commented much, but I just need to say just because you are capable of making a decision does not mean it is healthy or wise. Hell, I was still making really idiotic choices into my early 20's. No way was I or anyone I hung around with capable of making a life altering decision at 15(although we certainly thought we had it all figured out). I just wasn't capable of thinking of the long-term effects on my mind or body at only 15 years old. I think this speaks true to most 15 year olds as well. They are still kids and still learning and figuring out the world and themselves, they should be free to do that without adults preying on their every insecurity for their own sick perversions.

BBM, When society is sick/broken these are the things we see play out in this world today.
Our whole life is a learning curve and it doesn't stop in adulthood.
 
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Omg someone posted here weeks ago before they were caught they thought maybe they would go to slab city its off the grid and free. That poster was right. I googled it because I'm in OC CA not too far. I thought no way that place is gross and repulsive full of weird people handling live rattlesnakes like they are cats, hippies, dogs running wild and lots of drugs plus people and the dogs crap everywhere in these big dirt holes so it stinks really bad with lots of flies. I cannot believe he took that young girl to a gross place like that. The commune was actually nicer than slab city.

Whoever posted slab city here was right on

I hope that creep TC spends the rest of his pathetic life in prison! (Although I know he won't)

I never heard of Slab City before this case, nor Black Bear Ranch, nor Cecilville. And I am a native Californian. I took a few minutes tonight, watched the videos about Slab City on YouTube, and read the comments. I can't imagine a 15-year-old who likes showers, hair products and makeup enjoying a place with no electricity, running water, or trash pickup. The video tries to show the rosier side of the place, but the truth is in the comments. I was wondering why they didn't stay there longer, and instead drove north. Answer to why they left: It is as you described it. Answer to why they drove north from Slab City: unclear.
 
  • #715
(the second sentence cuts off, not sure why)

http://www.waynecountynow.net/single-post/2017/05/14/Abuse-Case-Against-Thomas-Mother-Proceeds

“It seems like witness credibility is the ball game here,” Dodd said. “It is my position that the state is simply not the appropriate actor. It is simply illogical to think that any of

Dodd said witness testimony is the only way to determine the alleged events.

“The state wishes to call on each of the Thomas children and have them testify as witnesses,” Dodd said. “We are going to start on Nov. 7, 2015, because that is the first night law enforcement got involved and work backward from there. The five minor Thomas children would testify about different acts that would constitute the offense of child abuse that took place in the days or weeks up to law enforcement’s involvement in this matter.”

Dodd said all of the alleged offenses took place inside the family’s Columbia home.
 
  • #716
Not sure if this was posted. From TCs lawyers asking to be out of jail until trial. It called his mad caper to have sex with ET and not be caught a " sight seeing tour of America".

https://lookaside.fbsbx.com/file/348...bfUqmUfaBUsTnc


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Thanks for the link. His attorney argues that he's not a flight risk because he has no money. He didn't have much money before, but he managed to borrow it!! I'm glad the judge did not grant bail.

"Mr. Cummins is indigent. His lack of financial resources means that he is without the economic power to flee the long heavy arm of law enforcement. While the government has argued that he evaded law enforcement on his sight-seeing tour of America, the complete lack of funds make fleeing almost impossible. At the beginning of his trip, Mr. Cummins had around $4,500 with which to travel. Now, his financial circumstances are dire. He has no money or credit cards for which to buy gas, food, clothing, or shelter."
 
  • #717
I never heard of Slab City before this case, nor Black Bear Ranch, nor Cecilville. And I am a native Californian. I took a few minutes tonight, watched the videos about Slab City on YouTube, and read the comments. I can't imagine a 15-year-old who likes showers, hair products and makeup enjoying a place with no electricity, running water, or trash pickup. The video tries to show the rosier side of the place, but the truth is in the comments. I was wondering why they didn't stay there longer, and instead drove north. Answer to why they left: It is as you described it. Answer to why they drove north from Slab City: unclear.

He meandered up the coast, from Slab City he went to LA and sold the kayak. From there he went to Berkeley and that's where he found information about Black Bear Ranch.
 
  • #718
Thanks for the link. His attorney argues that he's not a flight risk because he has no money. He didn't have much money before, but he managed to borrow it!! I'm glad the judge did not grant bail.

"Mr. Cummins is indigent. His lack of financial resources means that he is without the economic power to flee the long heavy arm of law enforcement. While the government has argued that he evaded law enforcement on his sight-seeing tour of America, the complete lack of funds make fleeing almost impossible. At the beginning of his trip, Mr. Cummins had around $4,500 with which to travel. Now, his financial circumstances are dire. He has no money or credit cards for which to buy gas, food, clothing, or shelter."

Link not found...but where there is a will there is a way and IMO he would flee with or without relatives helping...and if he is out she will try and meet up with him, they will try and contact each other. He should have really thought with his brain what would happen....shows he did not
 
  • #719
I find it quite ironic TC used the aliases John and Joanne Castro. Ariel Castro was the creep pedophile who kidnapped those three young girls in Ohio and held them hostage raped and abused them in his house all those years but since killed himself in prison after conviction.
 
  • #720
He meandered up the coast, from Slab City he went to LA and sold the kayak. From there he went to Berkeley and that's where he found information about Black Bear Ranch.

Do you think he intentionally sought out the Black Bear Ranch? Do you think he heard about it before he left? If so, he should have considered the colder weather in the north eastern part of CA. From Slab City, he would have been far more comfortable going to Arizona. I keep thinking of ET with no jacket and only one change of clothes and a bathing suit. She must have been freezing.
 
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