Found Deceased TN - Noah Chamberlin, 2, Pinson, 14 Jan 2016 - #1

[webweaved]

Imo, the FL cadaver K9s are already there, have been utilized in today's search, and likely signaled a hit... This is likely one of the reasons why Sheriff Weaver said he stands behind the family & does not suspect foul play, imo. There would also be signs in the area where he was last seen indicating what happened to him, imo. Just speculating and connecting the dots, CoverMeCagney.
I've hunted for decades and live in a rural area of the north GA mountains, on a small farm, which is surrounded by thousands of acres of dense forest. The most dangerous place for a small child to play is at the edge of a forest tree line. I lost a dog; a pitt mix, just a few weeks ago due to a black bear attack at the edge of a tree line..

Well hello neighbor! :greetings: and yes, the tree line is hazardous. You never know what is going to lunge out of the tree line. I'm sorry about your dog.

 

[krig101]

So they are still searching the area behind the home...what if the boy wondered in a different direction? This is why I asked earlier if anyone knew if they were searching in a pattern from the place lost like outward in all directions or just behind the home? Now it seems that is the case.

That thought has been nagging at me. What if he did go another direction?

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[Foxfire]

Well hello neighbor! :greetings: and yes, the tree line is hazardous. You never know what is going to lunge out of the tree line. I'm sorry about your dog.

Hey neighbor.. & TY..

 

[JeannaT]

I do not understand no dog hits at all. With all due respect, might grandma be a little elderly or senile and unable to remember exactly where she was when he took off ? I don't understand any other way, barring a very lucky abductor passing by in that exact moment, that the dogs would not pick up his scent. Tell me what I'm missing ?

The fact that there are no dog hits at all indicates an evidence, or a dog problem. The fact that the dogs could not locate scent in places the child was KNOWN to be, indicate that 1. the scent article presented to the dogs was not reliable OR 2. children don't leave much scent.

It doesn't indicate that the grandmother is so senile she has no idea where the child was.

I think the time has come and gone to use search dogs. They don't seem to be able to find missing people - maybe due to our perfumed culture, and changing laundry detergents and dryer sheets, and lotions and soaps, we leave no distinct scent behind. I follow missing people cases and can't remember when in the past 20 years they've ever been effective in finding a missing adult/child in the news, or even finding a deceased child who humans could smell and track.

 

[JanetElaine]

I think that the "experts" should have been involved in this search for a long time now.
That's jmo, but however.

I think you're referring to what the sheriff said about bringing in LE to search and not volunteers (at 7am)? If so, I don't think it necessarily means there are no experts searching now - but that they want professionals searching - not necessarily more experienced in searching, but in.... finding. And handling the aftermath of a find. Not trying to be vague to be annoying... I just don't want to go there and say it.

 

[JeannaT]

I also want to say, if you have a pet dog, you can't play hide and seek in your house with kids. You have to put your dog in the backyard because they can find your kid in about 5 seconds. Even if the kid is there visiting and has never been there in your home before. The dog can find them without fail, quickly.

Maybe SAR dog training should just be "find the kid".

 

[Tillicum]

The fact that there are no dog hits at all indicates an evidence, or a dog problem. The fact that the dogs could not locate scent in places the child was KNOWN to be, indicate that 1. the scent article presented to the dogs was not reliable OR 2. children don't leave much scent.

It doesn't indicate that the grandmother is so senile she has no idea where the child was.

I think the time has come and gone to use search dogs. They don't seem to be able to find missing people - maybe due to our perfumed culture, and changing laundry detergents and dryer sheets, and lotions and soaps, we leave no distinct scent behind. I follow missing people cases and can't remember when in the past 20 years they've ever been effective in finding a missing adult/child in the news, or even finding a deceased child who humans could smell and track.

We need Daisy Mae!

Strafford County Sheriff’s Deputy Keith MacKenzie and his bloodhound Daisy Mae entered the Maine woods Friday morning in search of a murder suspect.
About 90 minutes later, Jesse Marquis was in handcuffs and a six-day manhunt along the Canadian border in far northern Maine was over.

http://www.fosters.com/article/20140607/GJNEWS_01/140609367

ETA *In this case, the track was even more difficult because searchers had crisscrossed the woods for days looking for Marquis.*

 

[Elainera]

The fact that there are no dog hits at all indicates an evidence, or a dog problem. The fact that the dogs could not locate scent in places the child was KNOWN to be, indicate that 1. the scent article presented to the dogs was not reliable OR 2. children don't leave much scent.

It doesn't indicate that the grandmother is so senile she has no idea where the child was.

I think the time has come and gone to use search dogs. They don't seem to be able to find missing people - maybe due to our perfumed culture, and changing laundry detergents and dryer sheets, and lotions and soaps, we leave no distinct scent behind. I follow missing people cases and can't remember when in the past 20 years they've ever been effective in finding a missing adult/child in the news, or even finding a deceased child who humans could smell and track.

In the facebook post of one of the searchers I linked a few pages back, he was saying that the dogs did pick up a scent a few times but lost it every time. So a scent trail was there and was picked up but probably became too faint for the dogs.

(This is of course, from a fb post, so considered rumor.)

I have however in threads such as this read several times examples given by other members where dogs were able to find a person. So I don't think they're completely useless, just not foolproof. jmo

 

[Dockins]

In the facebook post of one of the searchers I linked a few pages back, he was saying that the dogs did pick up a scent a few times but lost it every time. So a scent trail was there and was picked up but probably became too faint for the dogs.

(This is of course, from a fb post, so considered rumor.)

I have however in threads such as this read several times examples given by other members where dogs were able to find a person. So I don't think they're completely useless, just not foolproof. jmo

Dogs, IMO, are like polygraphs. They are useful tools, but not infallible. I just pray this baby is found alive soon.

 

[Sweetgrits]

I also want to say, if you have a pet dog, you can't play hide and seek in your house with kids. You have to put your dog in the backyard because they can find your kid in about 5 seconds. Even if the kid is there visiting and has never been there in your home before. The dog can find them without fail, quickly.

Maybe SAR dog training should just be "find the kid".

I mentioned earlier about a family dog searching for missing kids. My hunch would be they would do a better job than SAR dogs. But maybe I'm wrong because I've never read about pets being used.

 

[mellie89]

This is said to be the area where they were when he went missing. Apparently they have searched every single area in this picture, I assume they would be searching all directions

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[SCHMAE]

Noah's kid sister would have been asked when she last saw her brother, right?! It could backup the Grandma's recollection. LE said they confidently stood behind the GM and family. How old is the GM (generally)? I can't imagine the stress and agony that poor woman is going through right now...to have this happen on HER watch. I don't understand why the dogs aren't finding a scent. I questioned that too but I've seen other cases where the dogs had similar issues. I mean little Raine (the girl missing a few months back) wasn't found by dogs. It looked like they had went all around her! It happens. JMO

I am not implying anything negative about grandma. I'm just thinking out loud. Is it possible that for very young children, their scents are not as ' catchable' ( for lack of a better term ) for the dogs ? Other wise, I am wondering about an animal that was very , very near but that should have cause little Noah to make some noise at least.

 

[mellie89]

Noahs mum out searching.

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[mellie89]

❤❤❤ Sweet Noah ❤❤❤

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[kimi_SFC]

Noahs mum out searching.

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[emoji173][emoji173][emoji173] Sweet Noah [emoji173][emoji173][emoji173]

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As the Sheriff stated, I am praying for Noah, and his family tonight. With all of my heart and soul, I want nothing more than for this precious little boy to come home where he belongs! At this juncture, faith is all I have left!

lease:

I'm lighting a new :candle: for you tonight, BabyBoy... :heartbeat:

raying:

#FindNoah!


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[Mimi_Joan]

I know we are not suppose to link from twitter or facebook, but I came across this from one of grandma's friends. (modsnip).

 

[MsMarple]

As the Sheriff stated, I am praying for Noah, and his family tonight. With all of my heart and soul, I want nothing more than for this precious little boy to come home where he belongs! At this juncture, faith is all I have left!

lease:

I'm lighting a new :candle: for you tonight, BabyBoy... :heartbeat:

raying:

#FindNoah!


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Kimi :grouphug:

[video=twitter;688539584733421568]https://twitter.com/WBBJ7Victor/status/688539584733421568[/video]
Victor Williams @WBBJ7Victor
Volunteers have gathered for a candle light vigil in hopes of finding Noah. #FindNoah

 

[BethInAK]

We have a home that backs up to a national forest. Yes, in my personal experience, any large predator bird will size up prey that size...to see if they can take it on. A hawk tried to get my dog last year...he's a large Rottweiler. I saw it flying around earlier and I didn't have a good feeling about it. I felt like it was watching us for all the wrong reasons. It swooped down, couldn't lift him but left huge talon marks down his back. He had surgery and recovered thankfully. Now if I see these large, gorgeous birds above, I bring the dogs in. So if a bird tried to pick up this kid, I'm guessing it wouldn't be able to lift him, it would have injured him and dropped him. I don't believe a bird got him though. I just dont. JMO.

The general rule of thumb in Alaska is dogs under 10 pounds are at risk but I have read rare stories about birds picking up larger dogs and dropping them. HOWEVER, I don't think this is a likely explanation - more likely hypothermia, a fall, a coyote?

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Here you can see the terrain they have to search. Trees are leave-less.

https://twitter.com/KANewton1985/status/688453617905496064

:thud:

 

[margarita25]

Noahs mum out searching.

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This photo really hits home, for lack of a better term, can't find the right words, but it hits me in the gut.