Found Deceased TN - Noah Chamberlin, 2, Pinson, 14 Jan 2016 - #1

[JeannaT]

Interesting Study concerning walking in circles... 'I've always thought that it was due to a stronger leg'.. 'Guess not'..

http://news.discovery.com/human/evolution/walking-circles.htm

People Naturally Walk in Circles

If you're lost in the woods and you feel like you're walking in circles, you probably are.


Without landmarks to guide us, people really do go around and around, found a new study.
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I always thought people walk in circles if they're lost because that's the smart thing to do. If you've lost your trail, and you were on it 10 minutes ago, it would be foolish to walk in a straight line for any real distance without finding your trail. In that way, you're only getting further and further from your goal. You need to walk in a circular way to find the trail or some landmark you were on 10 minutes ago. Otherwise you're out of the area you're trying to find very quickly.

Which isn't what little kids do, in my observation. They can walk in a very straight line away from their original spot for miles.

 

[JeannaT]

Does anyone think that if he is down in a sinkhole, out of the wind and under some leaves, he could still be with us? My fervent wish is that this is what has happened, and they will find him today!

At this point almost anything could have happened, but my guess is he's very close. In water or in some forgotten well, etc.

 

[JeannaT]

Does anyone think that if he is down in a sinkhole, out of the wind and under some leaves, he could still be with us? My fervent wish is that this is what has happened, and they will find him today!

Did it get down to 17 degrees last night? If so, no, I don't think he could survive without a heat source.

 

[Blue Ridge]

I am heartbroken and so scared for this baby. I'm a grandmom of a 3 year old little boy and this just hits too close to home for me. I just heard about this missing baby this morning and the tears keep coming. Even if it weren't freezing cold out there and the danger of wild animals didn't exist....how long can a person go without at least drinking water? Especially a tiny little person like Noah? I am praying for a miracle for this precious little boy.

 

[4senthia]

Yes it got down to 17 last night which is not survivable to even an adult unless they were very prepared.
Noah:heartbeat:
jmo

 

[Reba]

I live about 50 miles from Pinson and it is 20 degrees this morning.

 

[ILOKAL]

Did it get down to 17 degrees last night? If so, no, I don't think he could survive without a heat source.

I keep my iPad set on Clifton, TN where our cabin is which is 50 miles from Pinson and right now it's 18 degrees.

 

[Khughey]

Another thing I wondered in regards to scent with the dogs is, toddlers are carried, dressed, bathed, fed by others non stop. Nothing, not even their own selves would only have "their" scent on it.

Maybe someone knows if this could play a factor? I have just always been curious.

Sure hope they find this little one, either way, even if it's to just give closure.

Depends on the type of dog your using... in SAR your normally using what's known as Air Scent dogs. These dogs are trained to pick up and follow the scent of ANY person. They are not scent specific. They are amazing in their ability, but ideally you want to put them in are area that doesn't have other searchers deployed upwind.

There are also what's commonly referred to as "blood hounds". They are scent specific, and need a scent article to learn the scent. They keep their nose to the ground, so to speak.

Lastly, there are cadaver dogs. They are trained to follow the scent (like air scent dogs) of scents that are given off from cadaver's.

Hope that helps.

 

[Sweetgrits]

At this point almost anything could have happened, but my guess is he's very close. In water or in some forgotten well, etc.

BBM

I agree, I feel like whatever happened it was very soon after he disappeared. I would be very surprised if searchers hadn't walked within feet of this baby several times without seeing him. I desperately want him to be found because his family needs some kind of resolution.

JMO

 

[ILOKAL]

Depends on the type of dog your using... in SAR your normally using what's known as Air Scent dogs. These dogs are trained to pick up and follow the scent of ANY person. They are not scent specific. They are amazing in their ability, but ideally you want to put them in are area that doesn't have other searchers deployed upwind.

There are also what's commonly referred to as "blood hounds". They are scent specific, and need a scent article to learn the scent. They keep their nose to the ground, so to speak.

Lastly, there are cadaver dogs. They are trained to follow the scent (like air scent dogs) of scents that are given off from cadaver's.

Hope that helps.

Thank you for the very helpful information. So, I would imagine that the scent from the Grandma and the little sister could interfer with the air scent dogs? Initial searches in all cases might be a hindrance to air scent dogs?

 

[Dogface]

I hate asking but I am too scared to Google because I'm not sure what results might pop up, but, how soon can cadaver dogs be used? If he is out there, with these low temps, without divine intervention/a true miracle, there is no way he could make it.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Very interesting and general article here about the different types of SAR dogs. Trailing, tracking and air-scenting are the main categories.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_and_rescue_dog

 

[Foxfire]

At this point almost anything could have happened, but my guess is he's very close. In water or in some forgotten well, etc.

<BBM for Focus>

Very true JeannaT, almost anything could have happened, but my guess is he's not very close.

One possible scenario is predator; cougar attack. Cougars stalk, capture their prey, and then carry them to another secluded location as far as a half mile away. They will then bury their prey.
Per our info the tracking K9s are not picking up Noah's scent. Hunters use fox urine and other scents on their boots as cover scents to prevent detection by hiding their scent.

This makes sense and may explain why the K9s aren't picking up Noah's scent: A small child leaves a very light scent, but cougars/mountain lions leave what is known as "heavy" scent, evaporating so slowly that the dogs can't tell which way the track leads. In the quickly vanishing art of bare-ground hunting-you must hunt for a print or other sign to track the animal backwards..

http://www.fieldandstream.com/articles/hunting/2006/06/lion-dogs

 

[passionflower]

https://www.facebook.com/Search-for-NoahVolunteers-and-Donations-932519820173304/?fref=ts
only LE search today no volunteers.......going on Day 5

 

[Khughey]

Thank you for the very helpful information. So, I would imagine that the scent from the Grandma and the little sister could interfer with the air scent dogs? Initial searches in all cases might be a hindrance to air scent dogs?

I've worked on searches where air scent dogs were used, but I'm not a handler....so that being said.... In an ideal situation, you would love to have dogs deployed before anyone else (except the target subject) has moved thru the area. Not very realistic however.

Other peoples scent will move thru the air, but once they leave the area, the scent dissipates and isn't a big problem for the dogs. So you clear searchers out of an area (give it some time) then redeploy the dogs. Any active handlers out there, please chime in and shed more light on the subject.

Here is a link I found, that gives a good overview of search dogs and their use in searches. http://www.vsrda.org/about-vsrda/using-air-scent-dogs

 

[Gyppers]

Bethany Thompson @WBBJ7Bethany
Chester Co Sherff Blair Weaver will be addressing the media for Q&A at 11:30 LIVE on @WBBJ7News and #periscope @WBBJ7Bethany #FindNoah

 

[AmyPond]

I'm sorry to say but the best we can probably hope for now is that he didn't suffer. Praying for his family today.

 

[ILOKAL]

<BBM for Focus>

Very true JeannaT, almost anything could have happened, but my guess is he's not very close.

One possible scenario is predator; cougar attack. Cougars stalk, capture their prey, and then carry them to another secluded location as far as a half mile away. They will then bury their prey.
Per our info the tracking K9s are not picking up Noah's scent. Hunters use fox urine and other scents on their boots as cover scents to prevent detection by hiding their scent.

This makes sense and may explain why the K9s aren't picking up Noah's scent: A small child leaves a very light scent, but cougars/mountain lions leave what is known as "heavy" scent, evaporating so slowly that the dogs can't tell which way the track leads. In the quickly vanishing art of bare-ground hunting-you must hunt for a print or other sign to track the animal backward..

I'm so glad that someone besides me has researched the mountain lion. I have always felt that is what happened to little DeOrr Kunz, Jr. And mountain lions are KNOWN to be in the area where he vanished. Unfortunately, that scenario brings resistance even from LE. It seems only real experts and those who hunt cougars can truly understand, and, of course, those who have been victims of attack or have lost a loved one in such an attack. Amazing (to me) is that here at WS, when a child gets lost in the forest and dogs fail to pick up their scent and searchers fail to find them, the immediate thought is foul play, and is generally directed at the very people known to have loved that child. . Reading that is truly sad.

ETA: I posted that same article along with dozens of other ones.

 

[Gyppers]

Maranda Faris @MarandaFaris
Press conference in #FindNoah search is scheduled for 11:30 @ Pinson Baptist w/ Sheriff Blair Weave and Sheriff John Mehr. Should be Q&A.

 

[Gyppers]

Katherine Burgess @KathsBurgess
Both Chester Co. Sheriff Weaver and Madison Co. Sheriff Mehr will address the media at 11:30. @JSunNews #FindNoah