Found Deceased TN - Noah Chamberlin, 2, Pinson, 14 Jan 2016 - #1

[Lamima]

Still not found? Poor little guy.

 

[Dogface]

Also, wanted to add back to the discussion of wells, a lot of times if an old well isn't filled in properly, over time the dirt settles and reopens, so even an old well that people don't think of being there is still a danger. Often time older wells are just covered with boards that will begin to rot and could easily be stepped on and fallen through.

I also know where I grew up in far north Georgia, there were plentiful small caves, that sometimes just looked like bunch of rocks but would have a small crevice which a small person could squeeze through.

In reality the possibilities are endless to where he could be. For some reason I have two thoughts I keep coming back to, and I pray I am wrong, but for one the bodies of water really have me scared. I know they have been searched, but I don't feel any better about them. Cold water doesn't phase children from playing in it at all. The other way I am leaning is that he actually came back towards the house and kept walking. Perhaps heading his home. Kids are so smart, my little one has known from very young when our drive is bringing us home.

 

[Elainera]

For what it's worth, my soon to be three year old and I go walk a nature preserve nearby and do what is about a 6 mile walk at least once a week. When she was about a few months past two she could easily walk almost the entire thing before she wanted me to strap her in the carrier. I'm not sure exactly when she started walking the whole way, but it's rare I ever put her in her carrier now. It usually takes us about 2 hours, maybe 2 and half if we find a turtle or something interesting to watch. However, I do keep her on a kid leash because, she is fast. I'm sure we could actually walk it more quickly but that is our "reconnect" with nature time.

6 miles in two hours ... wow this little one could be anywhere then :scared:

 

[FrostOwl]

I saw earlier in the thread a question about holes in the ground and someone answered that the most likely were remains of the shallow root-system of fallen trees. Have the fallen trees and the "disks" of the root-system been removed? I know that the root-system "disks" of fallen fir trees can be very dangerous if left standing on the side after that the tree have been removed, as they can easily fall back to standing upright again if disturbed and they can easily trap a unwary person beneath it. If such a "disk" has fallen on the child, he could be totally hidden beneath it.

 

[Tillicum]

Thanks. It just amazes me at how quickly little ones can go missing even when the time span is only a few minutes. One would think they'd be found fairly quickly by calling their name and running in circles trying to find them but we all know that's not always the case.

We have steep ridges and ravines on our property and it's amazing how noise bounces around and sounds like it's coming from a different direction than it actually is. Since the first day I keep erasing an image in my mind of little Noah running the wrong direction when he hears people calling his name :tears:

 

[Dogface]

Thanks. It just amazes me at how quickly little ones can go missing even when the time span is only a few minutes. One would think they'd be found fairly quickly by calling their name and running in circles trying to find them but we all know that's not always the case.

It's actually quite maddening how children refuse to answer when called sometimes. We play a game where I call her name and she answers "yes ma'am" but it's taken active, daily practice to get to the point where she answers MOST of the time, but still not always!

 

[steelman]

I totally agree Steelman.
I have not read either of any searching other than behind the home.
With the hundreds of searchers he should have been found IMO
I too think Noah went in another direction and went far.





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I think a bunch of the volunteer searchers need to obtain permission from property owners that have property outside the current search zone and start walking the fields themselves. Much of the land in that area is simply heavily wooded undeveloped forest. There's nothing that says that private individuals can't go out and conduct searches of their own, as long as they have the necessary permission from the property owner.

I would also suggest that they pay special attention to open, plowed farm land. I think it makes sense that he may have tried to get into a clearing or an open spot of land so he could see better. The forest can be scary at night, and he may have tried to get into a clearing where he didn't feel surrounded by scary looking trees. Some of these searchers may be misled when they look out across a pasture of plowed land and don't see anything noticeable. There's all kinds of dips, furrows, and weeds in a plowed field where a small child could lie down, curl up, and not be seen.

The biggest enemy in this case is that the weather began to deteriorate shortly after he wandered off. It went from sunny and warm, to windy and rainy, to frigid and freezing, in 48 hours.

 

[JeannaT]

It's actually quite maddening how children refuse to answer when called sometimes. We play a game where I call her name and she answers "yes ma'am" but it's taken active, daily practice to get to the point where she answers MOST of the time, but still not always!

Amen, dogface, that's my story too! My own kids would respond when called a couple times, but a friend's daughter wouldn't respond verbally to her name being called. She'd sit, alert, while her name was called and not answer. She was 2. One outing, it got to the point where phones were coming out to call 911 when someone spotted her, sitting close by, listening as people called her name. Other kids - and we've all seen it - make a game of purposely running the opposite direction so they can be chased, but I don't sense that's what happened to Noah. I think he just walked off and by the time anyone was calling for him he was out of earshot.

Additionally, if you spend sometime looking at google images satellite, you'll see a LOT of bodies of water right there, from stock tanks to creeks. I counted 3 creeks and 3 big murky looking stock tanks in easy walking distance.

 

[BlkMtnGirl]

[snip] The other way I am leaning is that he actually came back towards the house and kept walking. Perhaps heading his home. Kids are so smart, my little one has known from very young when our drive is bringing us home.

Oh my gosh! I never thought of that! You're right; they know from a very early age when they get near their house, or their grandparents' house, etc. I'm not sure we know for sure exactly where the woods are in relation to his parents' home, but I pray they're searching around the parents' home, too! If he went toward the road, and made it to the road, he would definitely know where he was. Two-year-olds have amazing brains. Now, whether he would know to walk toward his parents' house is another question. Toddlers are smart, and understand lots of things you'd never think they understand, but their decisions are not always rational.

 

[Tillicum]

[video=twitter;688724661954150402]https://twitter.com/WBBJ7Amber/status/688724661954150402[/video]

 

[Dogface]

Oh my gosh! I never thought of that! You're right; they know from a very early age when they get near their house, or their grandparents' house, etc. I'm not sure we know for sure exactly where the woods are in relation to his parents' home, but I pray they're searching around the parents' home, too! If he went toward the road, and made it to the road, he would definitely know where he was. Two-year-olds have amazing brains. Now, whether he would know to walk toward his parents' house is another question. Toddlers are smart, and understand lots of things you'd never think they understand, but their decisions are not always rational.

So very true. It makes predicting what they might do almost impossible. We could be looking at a perfectly logical path he would travel and he could have gone the most illogical(to our adult brains) way there was. I am at the point where I just feel so disheartened about this case. I pray for a micracle of miracles.

 

[passionflower]

I keep thinking about Rainn, 2 days she was missing and traveled the opposite direction, searched had searched the area.

 

[Tillicum]

Katherine Burgess ‏@KathsBurgess 38m38 minutes ago
An all-call has been issued to law enforcement across TN to #findNoah. Civilian volunteers are not needed to search at this time. @JSunNews

Katherine Burgess ‏@KathsBurgess 26m
Law enforcement continue search for Noah http://www.jacksonsun.com/story/news/local/2016/01/17/law-enforcement-continue-search-noah/78930184/ … via @JSunNews #FindNoah

Katherine Burgess ‏@KathsBurgess 15m
The church is holding a prayer service for Noah soon. I'll be covering. #FindNoah

https://twitter.com/KathsBurgess

 

[passionflower]

On a normal day I wonder if it was almost nap time at 1:30, could he have curled up and slept that afternoon?
Did he have a full tummy? Is he 2 almost 3?

 

[steelman]

I'd say this is a pretty obvious sign that this has turned into a recovery mission. LE obviously doesn't want the searchers to be subjected to what they would most likely find at this stage.

I'm more curious than anything in what area they plan on concentrating the new searches by LE personnel only that hasn't already been covered by the volunteer groups.

 

[Tillicum]

I'd say this is a pretty obvious sign that this has turned into a recovery mission. LE obviously doesn't want the searchers to be subjected to what they would most likely find at this stage.

I'm more curious than anything in what area they plan on concentrating the new searches by LE personnel only that hasn't already been covered by the volunteer groups.

I'm afraid you're right steelman I think part of the precaution is concern that volunteers could put it out there if *something* is found before the family is notified. I really hope we're both wrong though.

 

[JeannaT]

Oh my gosh! I never thought of that! You're right; they know from a very early age when they get near their house, or their grandparents' house, etc. I'm not sure we know for sure exactly where the woods are in relation to his parents' home, but I pray they're searching around the parents' home, too! If he went toward the road, and made it to the road, he would definitely know where he was. Two-year-olds have amazing brains. Now, whether he would know to walk toward his parents' house is another question. Toddlers are smart, and understand lots of things you'd never think they understand, but their decisions are not always rational.

Wait. I thought he was at his own backyard, and grandma was there with the 4 year old sister?

Was he at grandparent's home, nearby his own home?

 

[passionflower]

Tots are very attracted to animals. I saw a few buildings in the photo, it could just be storage. I hope they search every building often or anywhere animals are, like a neighbors dog house.

 

[JeannaT]

On a normal day I wonder if it was almost nap time at 1:30, could he have curled up and slept that afternoon?
Did he have a full tummy? Is he 2 almost 3?

I thought about that too - but that would have resolved in the afternoon when he woke up, groggy, and began walking around the yard in the presence of dozens of searchers.

 

[Elainera]

Wait. I thought he was at his own backyard, and grandma was there with the 4 year old sister?

Was he at grandparent's home, nearby his own home?

He was at grandma's home.