GUILTY TN - SLP, 14, found alive, Madisonville, Monroe County, 13 Jan 2019 #6 *ARRESTS*

[Rosiebones]

And IMO we need to keep an open mind on the great choices they are making, in protecting this child's rights. In keeping her from having to relive her recent past. In helping to let her reclaim her life. She is a survivor. A warrior, if you will. Oh gee I'm going corny here.

I think back to how we once treated our victims...heck we still don't treat them as well as they should be. WE, all of us on this planet, need to better improve our systems of Justice. To better recognize the traumas all of our victims encounter. And do whatever we can do to honor their strength. Their courage. Their methods of survival. Because they survived. And will continue to do so.

I may have hijacked your thoughts. My apologies if so. Your post just got me thinking. Scary, I know. Chuckle

No hijacking noted, just great minds etc. etc. LOL LOL

 

[ilovechili]

Ah, I remember the drive-in trunk riders! And you now make me wonder if we will even hear any further details? The Federal Charges are what we are seeing. Anything beyond that might very well be overkill. Would adding another 10 or 15 years to his Federal Time really be justice? Which, correct me if I'm wrong, I believe to be 15-30 years?

Ah, intent. What were BR's intentions? What were SLP's? To escape her hell? To send the man that almost killed her spirit, to jail? Almost. She may have been suicidal. She did write those words. But she really did orchestrate her escape. Even if it was with an alleged pervert.

And I pray she keeps surviving. She really deserves a good life.

ETA: Spelling fix; where'd that 's' come from?

Lol the good old drive in. The bouncer type was quite familiar with such attempts not to be seen though... busted, had to pay, allowed to stay though if my memory serves. I had better get on topic here quickly--SP and JC saving themselves shows them to be very capable and strong young women who will do great things in their lives I hope as well.

I hope anyone who harmed her is punished appropriately and I mean that.

I too wonder how much more we will learn in these cases (and I do not mean the SA details but the other case details). I for one hope JRP has more charges coming--sometimes I simply think an example shown of what will or can happen to you if you commit such crimes does not hurt and this is one case that it would be deserved in as well.

One thing I find of interest somewhat is the exchange they have shown between her and BR I believe that particular one started on Christmas Eve. They allegedly moved later like the 28th or 29th or something like that. I think she knew the purpose of the move, or at least the isolation that was coming, etc., and that her time was short before things were about to get worse.

Edited to clarify a sentence.

 

[Julia966]

I may be in the minority but BR gets no understanding or feelings of gray area from me. He had a number of opportunities and ways he could have actually helped her and did none of them. I don't know what his intention in taking her was, but IMO, he needs to suffer consequences. I'm disappointed that kidnapping is not one of the charges. In fact, the charges don't directly relate to his transporting and hiding her. It's like the feds don't see a problem with that aspect of the case.

 

[wary]

...They only need ONE SA charge to put RP away for the rest of his life, and as much as I would love to see him charged for each and EVERY one of the assaults, that is just redundant in the eyes of the law and impossible to prove.

(Snipped for focus.)

What is the penalty for that one SA charge? Somehow, I’d gotten the idea, early on, that it was disgracefully small, and far from “the rest of his life.” I hope I’m wrong.

 

[ilovechili]

I hope and would expect that charging authorities in both states and at both federal and state level are communicating and are pulling together charges for both men that have the best information for conviction. They only need ONE SA charge to put RP away for the rest of his life, and as much as I would love to see him charged for each and EVERY one of the assaults, that is just redundant in the eyes of the law and impossible to prove. The same goes for BDR, in my eyes, the federal charges can be proven, the possible SA charges as relates to the federal charge has such a level of intent to be proven that they are wisely IMO not going down that road.
Through all of this is a 14 year old girl, who in the eyes of the law cannot give consent for anything, but she may be giving her opinion very loud and clear and maybe someone is now listening. IMOO.

Awesome post Rosiebones.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I may be in the minority but BR gets no understanding or feelings of gray area from me. He had a number of opportunities and ways he could have actually helped her and did none of them. I don't know what his intention in taking her was, but IMO, he needs to suffer consequences. I'm disappointed that kidnapping is not one of the charges. In fact, the charges don't directly relate to his transporting and hiding her. It's like the feds don't see a problem with that aspect of the case.

I've not read every post, but do we know that the State won't be pursuing charges against BR for SA based on DNA evidence recovered from her exam?

 

[Julia966]

I've not read every post, but do we know that the State won't be pursuing charges against BR for SA based on DNA evidence recovered from her exam?

No, I don't think we do know that. The state may pursue other charges, but the kidnapping charge would be federal, I think, and it's apparently not being pursued.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I join you in the unpopular crowd, and it's great seeing you again on here!

The only thing that made me teeter the other way for a bit was when they said the rape kit showed that she had had sexual relations within 3-5 days of it being done. That upset me to no end, because I truly felt in my heart that he did save her from a monster at home, and it was devastating to read that she might have gone from one bad situation to the other. Yet, in the back of my mind, so many things didn't make sense to me. Why he drove her to mail off the letter and copy of the video, he tried numerous times to get her to tell a friend, call LE, go to the hospital for a rape kit- he kept advising her to do this. I truly believe the only reason he did what he did was because she kept threatening suicide, and his conscience was weighing heavily, but wanted proof to cover himself for helping her. As you said, if this had been a female that did the exact same thing, others would be much more understanding. However, many were in his corner until the rape kit test result was brought up- which is still at this point, up in the air. I was waiting for charges today to be filed because of that- why didn't they charge him?

Steelslady, I'm going backwards in the thread to try and catch up. I've never teetered about RP or BR and I don't identify with either status crowd.

BR exhibited general characteristics of an online predator to a tee. He sympathized, listened to her stores, her pain and despair and then very methodically used this same information to manipulate her into doing exactly what he wanted.... filming a rape of SP by her father. He knew she wasn't going to go to friends or LE...she was terrified of RP, she supposedly told CP too. He knew she felt suicidal and even over her repeated objections, he still pressed for what he WANTED not what he needed. <Could we ever imagine LE or any other adult telling a 14 year old to video her rape so they could proof??>

BR put those suggestions out there in order to gage a reaction from SP and to establish his "I'm a good guy, I want to help you" routine. A common pattern most sexual predators use in order to establish willingness, trust and complicity from their targeted victims.

Respectfully, if it indeed is proven that BR had sexual contact with SP, would that in any way change your opinion of BR and his good intentions?

We know and have no problem calling RP out on his criminal psychological and physical abuse of SP and rightly so. He's the worst of the worst. Unfortunately, he had unlimited access to SP right in their own home.

What I don't understand is the need to defend/justify the self admitted criminal acts by BR against SP as well?

https://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/amp-632111.pdf

Great study on online predators from 2008 done by American Psychological Association regarding the online approach to child, teen sexual abuse. They specifically discuss the likelihood of an existing abused teen being even more susceptible to an online predator.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I have had a problem from the beginning with the VERBAL opinion of the examining nurse ( no matter how well trained she is) that was given to the Deputy Attorney General ( who I hope was waiting outside the room), that was then brought to court and presented in open court as a reason to deny bail. I thought that was prejudicial. I wonder if that information turned out to be suspect or at least not strong proof and subsequently BDR was not charged with transportation across state lines for sexual purposes. It seems that the only other information about what went on would be from SP herself.

BBM
Genuinely asking about this? If a SA exam is being performed on SP, the Dr. or Nurse conducting the exam in this case would be as qualified as any other Dr. or Nurse in any other case? Maybe I missed the link or maybe I'm just confused in general?

 

[girlhasnoname]

(Snipped for focus.)

What is the penalty for that one SA charge? Somehow, I’d gotten the idea, early on, that it was disgracefully small, and far from “the rest of his life.” I hope I’m wrong.

Thankfully, IIRC, it will be a substantial amount of time. I believe @gitana1 responded in one of the threads about this.

 

[ilovechili]

Steelslady, I'm going backwards in the thread to try and catch up. I've never teetered about RP or BR and I don't identify with either status crowd.

BR exhibited general characteristics of an online predator to a tee. He sympathized, listened to her stores, her pain and despair and then very methodically used this same information to manipulate her into doing exactly what he wanted.... filming a rape of SP by her father. He knew she wasn't going to go to friends or LE...she was terrified of RP, she supposedly told CP too. He knew she felt suicidal and even over her repeated objections, he still pressed for what he WANTED not what he needed. <Could we ever imagine LE or any other adult telling a 14 year old to video her rape so they could proof??>

BR put those suggestions out there in order to gage a reaction from SP and to establish his "I'm a good guy, I want to help you" routine. A common pattern most sexual predators use in order to establish willingness, trust and complicity from their targeted victims.

Respectfully, if it indeed is proven that BR had sexual contact with SP, would that in any way change your opinion of BR and his good intentions?

We know and have no problem calling RP out on his criminal psychological and physical abuse of SP and rightly so. He's the worst of the worst. Unfortunately, he had unlimited access to SP right in their own home.

What I don't understand is the need to defend/justify the self admitted criminal acts by BR against SP as well?

https://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/amp-632111.pdf

Great study on online predators from 2008 done by American Psychological Association regarding the online approach to child, teen sexual abuse. They specifically discuss the likelihood of an existing abused teen being even more susceptible to an online predator.

I get each and every one of your points and posts, and these right here are exceptional points, no doubt about it. This man though could have risked far less and no federal charges to do the very same thing. He is in his 30s and unless I missed it has had no other charges ever that anyone has found. That is one thing that throws me I think, it just does not make sense. Were his intents good or bad? I seriously do not know.

There to date is no proof of any SA by him unless I missed it. There is mention made, but no proof. While I often am just the opposite and convict in my head long before a jury, I am not quite there yet here. OJ was guilty. Casey Anthony was guilty. Just examples where I have convicted but others did not. No problem.

I realize your response here was not directed towards me but I am one a bit in the middle yet as well. I keep saying I am unsure why and I very honestly am unsure why. I hear of a new science and it is about all we hear, no proof, etc. A poster finds info on it and it can be for up to two weeks, not just 3 to 5 days. No further charges come yet they said there may be at such and such a time and there was not. I just think there may be more we do not know i guess.

Whatever results, it would be nice if they listen to her and empower her. I do not care about either man if they did wrong or intended to then put them away and throw away the key. Maybe a part of it is just a naive hope that one did not. No idea why in this case I am taking a wait and see on the one.

Grrr... Not at you lol at myself... Or maybe it has something to do with something my granny always said... Which plays in as well and I am not going to share... It was very insightful however....

 

[gitana1]

Thankfully, IIRC, it will be a substantial amount of time. I believe @gitana1 responded in one of the threads about this.

Yeah I really wish the charging documents were posted at the beginning of each thread. I could not even find them on the media thread. That makes it very hard to research.

However, rape is a Class B felony in TN punishable by 8-30 years.

2014 Tennessee Code :: Title 39 - Criminal Offenses :: Chapter 13 - Offenses Against Person :: Part 5 - Sexual Offenses :: § 39-13-503 - Rape.

Tennessee Felony Crimes by Class and Sentences

He might still be charged with continuous sexual abuse of a child which is a class A felony under many circumstances and punishable by 15- 60 years.

2014 Tennessee Code :: Title 39 - Criminal Offenses :: Chapter 13 - Offenses Against Person :: Part 5 - Sexual Offenses :: § 39-13-518 - Continuous sexual abuse of a child -- Felony offense -- Penalties -- Notice identifying multiple acts of sexual abuse of a child.

I need to see the affidavit.

 

[wary]

Yeah I really wish the charging documents were posted at the beginning of each thread. I could not even find them on the media thread. That makes it very hard to research.

However, rape is a Class B felony in TN punishable by 8-30 years.

2014 Tennessee Code :: Title 39 - Criminal Offenses :: Chapter 13 - Offenses Against Person :: Part 5 - Sexual Offenses :: § 39-13-503 - Rape.

Tennessee Felony Crimes by Class and Sentences

He might still be charged with continuous sexual abuse of a child which is a class A felony under many circumstances and punishable by 15- 60 years.

2014 Tennessee Code :: Title 39 - Criminal Offenses :: Chapter 13 - Offenses Against Person :: Part 5 - Sexual Offenses :: § 39-13-518 - Continuous sexual abuse of a child -- Felony offense -- Penalties -- Notice identifying multiple acts of sexual abuse of a child.

I need to see the affidavit.

Thank you! I’m hoping for the maximum, not the minimum.

 

[human]

Steelslady, I'm going backwards in the thread to try and catch up. I've never teetered about RP or BR and I don't identify with either status crowd.

BR exhibited general characteristics of an online predator to a tee. He sympathized, listened to her stores, her pain and despair and then very methodically used this same information to manipulate her into doing exactly what he wanted.... filming a rape of SP by her father. He knew she wasn't going to go to friends or LE...she was terrified of RP, she supposedly told CP too. He knew she felt suicidal and even over her repeated objections, he still pressed for what he WANTED not what he needed. <Could we ever imagine LE or any other adult telling a 14 year old to video her rape so they could proof??>

BR put those suggestions out there in order to gage a reaction from SP and to establish his "I'm a good guy, I want to help you" routine. A common pattern most sexual predators use in order to establish willingness, trust and complicity from their targeted victims.

Respectfully, if it indeed is proven that BR had sexual contact with SP, would that in any way change your opinion of BR and his good intentions?

We know and have no problem calling RP out on his criminal psychological and physical abuse of SP and rightly so. He's the worst of the worst. Unfortunately, he had unlimited access to SP right in their own home.

What I don't understand is the need to defend/justify the self admitted criminal acts by BR against SP as well?

https://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/amp-632111.pdf

Great study on online predators from 2008 done by American Psychological Association regarding the online approach to child, teen sexual abuse. They specifically discuss the likelihood of an existing abused teen being even more susceptible to an online predator.

Exactly

 

[girlhasnoname]

Yeah I really wish the charging documents were posted at the beginning of each thread. I could not even find them on the media thread. That makes it very hard to research.

However, rape is a Class B felony in TN punishable by 8-30 years.

2014 Tennessee Code :: Title 39 - Criminal Offenses :: Chapter 13 - Offenses Against Person :: Part 5 - Sexual Offenses :: § 39-13-503 - Rape.

Tennessee Felony Crimes by Class and Sentences

He might still be charged with continuous sexual abuse of a child which is a class A felony under many circumstances and punishable by 15- 60 years.

2014 Tennessee Code :: Title 39 - Criminal Offenses :: Chapter 13 - Offenses Against Person :: Part 5 - Sexual Offenses :: § 39-13-518 - Continuous sexual abuse of a child -- Felony offense -- Penalties -- Notice identifying multiple acts of sexual abuse of a child.

I need to see the affidavit.

Thank you for responding G, always appreciated.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I get each and every one of your points and posts, and these right here are exceptional points, no doubt about it. This man though could have risked far less and no federal charges to do the very same thing. He is in his 30s and unless I missed it has had no other charges ever that anyone has found. That is one thing that throws me I think, it just does not make sense. Were his intents good or bad? I seriously do not know.

There to date is no proof of any SA by him unless I missed it. There is mention made, but no proof. While I often am just the opposite and convict in my head long before a jury, I am not quite there yet here. OJ was guilty. Casey Anthony was guilty. Just examples where I have convicted but others did not. No problem.

I realize your response here was not directed towards me but I am one a bit in the middle yet as well. I keep saying I am unsure why and I very honestly am unsure why. I hear of a new science and it is about all we hear, no proof, etc. A poster finds info on it and it can be for up to two weeks, not just 3 to 5 days. No further charges come yet they said there may be at such and such a time and there was not. I just think there may be more we do not know i guess.

Whatever results, it would be nice if they listen to her and empower her. I do not care about either man if they did wrong or intended to then put them away and throw away the key. Maybe a part of it is just a naive hope that one did not. No idea why in this case I am taking a wait and see on the one.

Grrr... Not at you lol at myself... Or maybe it has something to do with something my granny always said... Which plays in as well and I am not going to share... It was very insightful however....

I always appreciate your responses Chili, even if we don't see to eye to eye on this one.....YET <you'll get there I have no doubt >.

Respectful posting, rules and moderation is why this is the only true crime message board I've ever posted on.

 

[ilovechili]

I always appreciate your responses Chili, even if we don't see to eye to eye on this one.....YET <you'll get there I have no doubt >.

Respectful posting, rules and moderation is why this is the only true crime message board I've ever posted on.

Thank you. I always enjoy and appreciate your posts as well. I appreciate everyone's responses. I like to see the different points of view and hope other people's posts get my brain in gear like coffee does.

I think I have said repeatedly, I truly do not entirely understand myself why I am at where I am on this one. I am as confused as much as anyone I confuse with it lol.

If deserved, have no doubt, I will get there without question. I tend more towards convicting before the jury is in generally in many instances. On the bright side, I have now found I can wait and see otherwise generally I would probably be kicked off of jury duty . Yet I still have no idea why that is in this case I am undecided. But only only with one, I have *stepdad* convicted. Open on the other.

I generally agree with almost every post you make--it is a new reality to be in a bit of an unpopular stance.

I too enjoy very much things can be discussed. And no rotten tomatoes have been thrown at me (that I noticed anyhow, been a busy week, gave up trying to catch up with everything). Other's posts have actually made me stop and think in many cases. And gives me a different perspective. Everyone comes from different walks of life and different perspectives which I believe can color how we look at things. I personally think we all sometimes have some tunnel vision based on our own views/life.

I have learned so many things here. Things about ballistics/types of guns. Doors. Online games. Runners. Floor plans. Security cameras. Ring doorbells (never ever knew there was such a thing)...

Edited to clarify one sentence.

 

[Scrapper18]

Yeah I really wish the charging documents were posted at the beginning of each thread. I could not even find them on the media thread. That makes it very hard to research.

However, rape is a Class B felony in TN punishable by 8-30 years.

2014 Tennessee Code :: Title 39 - Criminal Offenses :: Chapter 13 - Offenses Against Person :: Part 5 - Sexual Offenses :: § 39-13-503 - Rape.

Tennessee Felony Crimes by Class and Sentences

He might still be charged with continuous sexual abuse of a child which is a class A felony under many circumstances and punishable by 15- 60 years.

2014 Tennessee Code :: Title 39 - Criminal Offenses :: Chapter 13 - Offenses Against Person :: Part 5 - Sexual Offenses :: § 39-13-518 - Continuous sexual abuse of a child -- Felony offense -- Penalties -- Notice identifying multiple acts of sexual abuse of a child.

I need to see the affidavit.

I’m a bit disappointed to learn rape is only a class B felony. Also disappointed in the sentencing it carries. A rapist can do so much damage to a person - emotionally and physically. But, they could get as little as 8 years? Just disappointed.

 

[ilovechili]

I’m a bit disappointed to learn rape is only a class B felony. Also disappointed in the sentencing it carries. A rapist can do so much damage to a person - emotionally and physically. But, they could get as little as 8 years? Just disappointed.

So he could have as little to 8 years or as little as 15 if they charge a Class A? Wow. With a video. What would it be without it? Bond and a slap?

This is not meant at any poster, it is meant at the system. If this is the case. Maybe I am reading it wrong.

 

[ilovechili]

So he could have as little to 8 years or as little as 15 if they charge a Class A? Wow. With a video. What would it be without it? Bond and a slap?

This is not meant at any poster, it is meant at the system. If this is the case. Maybe I am reading it wrong.

So WI guy is facing more possibly? Rather than the *daddy* of her decade or more of years? And some think there is nothing wrong with our system? What can we do about t

I’m a bit disappointed to learn rape is only a class B felony. Also disappointed in the sentencing it carries. A rapist can do so much damage to a person - emotionally and physically. But, they could get as little as 8 years? Just disappointed.

Very. Bring on his other charges. That video shows this was not a first time. How could it not? Is the creep standing there saying I can't I can't, don't make me? No way, give me a break.

Forgive my outburst but I think I watched my words.