Found Safe TN - SLP, 14, Madisonville, Monroe County, 13 Jan 2019 #5 *ARRESTS*

[human]

He could have called these people in Madison and asked their professional advice.

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[Yellow Rose]

TWO: She again tries to get help without recording her own rape, "I just can’t promise I’ll get the evidence". He remains unmoved by how horrified she is by what he is suggesting, "Then I can’t promise I can get you away from that I hate to say it but I can’t risk getting trouble for you. If you can get that video I can get you out of there but without it you will just wind up back with your dad and I’ll be in trouble"

How do we know that at least in this one incidence that he's not saying crap I'm gonna get a horseload of trouble for kidnapping you if we don't have evidence to show WHY I'M TAKING YOU?

 

[oviedo]

Since this is a preliminary hearing to determine if he can be held without bond - I wonder if there will be additional evidence besides the original complaint and the defense memorandum? I can't find anything about the hearing and no twitter either so far.

 

[gitana1]

Yet I keep realizing that he was not encouraging, or forcing, anything happening in that bedroom. That rapist was going to walk through that door. SLP had nowhere to turn. Nowhere to run.

Could BR have been taking advantage of this situation? Could he have been planning worse things for this distraught victim? If so, why did they put together all the evidence?

We have no idea what narrative has been provided by SLP. Will we be privy to her viewpoint?

Not every predator is the same. Not every predator is at the same level. Some may fantasize and encourage exploitation. They may be great at manipulation. But they may wrestle with their inner demons and have to tell themselves something in order to excuse their own actions. "She wanted it." "She deserved it." "I was trying to help her."

He might have not been able to go further than he did and knew he had to try to get out of it someway. Or maybe he was placating her by doing this but sending it from a place he felt was untraceable, while he continued to groom her. I don't know. Maybe he did want to help somehow but also was excited by what she was going through. These conflicting emotions are possible in one human. there are often shades of gray.

What we know is he never stepped forward. He let her send evidence but never contacted LE to say where she was or that he had "rescued" her. Instead, LE found him.

 

[oviedo]

Right now, we only have his word that they sent evidence to the FBI - the FBI and prosecutor have not confirmed receipt that I am aware of. It is quite possible nothing was ever sent. IMO.

 

[Jim_M]

Been thinking about SP contemplating suicide. Makes me wonder about some of the young girls suicides I've read over the years that didn't make sense to people that knew the girls.

Utter sadness to think they had no other recourse to ending their lives. Whether being bullied, or abused, they could not find a way out. They could not get the help they so desperately needed.

 

[Rosiebones]

He could have called these people in Madison and asked their professional advice.

Safe Harbor Child Advocacy Center: ABOUT US

This is on their home page. They are not first responders, they are by referral. SP was terrified of RP and she had no knowledge of how protected she would be if she called a number like this. If BDR did the same LE would have been sent out to the home. We do not know, nor did SP what LE protocols are in this situation and I don't think SP trusted anyone in the area.

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[Ragnarok]

Utter sadness to think they had no other recourse to ending their lives. Whether being bullied, or abused, they could not find a way out. They could not get the help they so desperately needed.

No bullying known. There are those locally but seem to predominantly be young males.

Edited to correct.

 

[tmar]

One thing is for sure...there’s NO WAY her mom didn’t know that her dad killed her dog & left its skinned body laying in the yard. If my husband did something like that, my children and I would be gone that very day. Talked about a horrifying sign of violence and terrorism. Those poor children; I hope they can go on to have happy and normal lives.

I can't believe how cruel this creep is, to torment the children in this way.
They must have been so frightened.
SP must have been in fear of her life.
So the mother remains, with these children.
What else did she know about?
I am pleased, in Prison, inmates will use 'pay back' towards this jerk, with Karma on their side.
MOO.

 

[kay74]

Eh, I'm still very skeptical. They sent a package to the FBI but when the FBI actually showed up at his door, he lied and didn't turn her over. Why? Because he knew that transporting her and harboring her was a crime, most likely. So why did he do it? Why didn't he take her to a hospital or a police station immediately? Why did he hide her in a basement for two weeks and then lie to the FBI?

It's possible his motives were good, but this was a very poorly-implemented and sketchy escape plan involving the transmission of child , for heavens sake, and I think he needs to suffer the consequences.

She probably was afraid LE would send her back to her parents! Noone believed her, this guy DID.

 

[gitana1]

The truth, as brazenly unwanted as it is, is that he was right when he told her he's going to do it to you again so get it on tape next time so you have a weapon of your own to hold. Otherwise, you could be the next skinned animal on that property.
(I hate saying that so bluntly but it's the truth....as ugly as it is.)

No. That's not the truth. He could've called 911 and said a suicidal, raped child was begging for help. They would have gone out there immediately and removed her from the home quickly if he showed them what she had written. Even if she denied it initially out of fear.

 

[oviedo]

After reading through most of the posts one thing really bothers me - why did he not confide in his mother? They are close according to the memorandum and if he had no ulterior motives, she would be the absolute best advocate IMO for both of them. She has a responsible job (memorandum) that she has worked at for a very long time. I don't understand this at all and it really is a big factor in why I think he is a predator and not a savior.

I also have to say everyone is being very respectful of other's opinions - I was hoping it wasn't going to go the way of other threads sometimes when there are polarizing opinions. Now, I am hoping for healing for SP and punishment for all involved according to the laws. JMO.

 

[kay74]

What if she had talked to someone on this game site and they called the police while she was home and her parents denied everything. What would have happened. Scary

 

[Rosiebones]

No. That's not the truth. He could've called 911 and said a suicidal, raped child was begging for help. They would have gone out there immediately and removed her from the home quickly if he showed them what she had written. Even if she denied it initially out of fear.

I believe she wrote the six page letter outlining the rapes etc. after she got to Wisconsin.

 

[Jim_M]

No. That's not the truth. He could've called 911 and said a suicidal, raped child was begging for help. They would have gone out there immediately and removed her from the home quickly if he showed them what she had written. Even if she denied it initially out of fear.

And the possible outcomes? IMO SLP would find herself back in the home. RP would be released. What then?

 

[oviedo]

No. That's not the truth. He could've called 911 and said a suicidal, raped child was begging for help. They would have gone out there immediately and removed her from the home quickly if he showed them what she had written. Even if she denied it initially out of fear.

And here is another thought - he could have called the FBI or 911 and said please come to my house and look what I am seeing on my computer - how can we together help this child? Instead, we all know what he did.
I remember years ago when Kyron Hormon first went missing - I contacted the FBI and sent screenshots of TH FB account - they were very receptive to my information and I believe the FBI would have been receptive to him as well. He had her words. He could have encouraged her to share information under their direction to rescue her and not done what he did - there were options.
JMO

 

[kay74]

No. That's not the truth. He could've called 911 and said a suicidal, raped child was begging for help. They would have gone out there immediately and removed her from the home quickly if he showed them what she had written. Even if she denied it initially out of fear.

Would they have removed her? The parents could have talked their way out of this and LE could have given them the benefit of the doubt.

 

[wary]

No. That's not the truth. He could've called 911 and said a suicidal, raped child was begging for help. They would have gone out there immediately and removed her from the home quickly if he showed them what she had written. Even if she denied it initially out of fear.

I wonder if the system always works that efficiently.....

If she denied it out of fear, how long would it take them to confirm that she was the one who wrote it? Privacy rights and all that. (We’ve all heard of Swatting. It’d be pretty terrible if someone could be ‘CPSd’ that easily.)

 

[Yellow Rose]

No. That's not the truth. He could've called 911 and said a suicidal, raped child was begging for help. They would have gone out there immediately and removed her from the home quickly if he showed them what she had written. Even if she denied it initially out of fear.

I know that's how its SUPPOSED to work but how is this guy, 31 years old, with no law background (only weather) and no children gonna know whether the authorities won't CALL AHEAD or bring SP into harms way in another way before help can get to her. I mean we've all seen how badly bungled some of these cases can be. I understand that he did wrong, BADLY wrong, but what I'm saying is I don't yet fully believe he did it intentionally. We shall see. And his future is already ruined for helping this child to be away from the evil one.

 

[Jim_M]

After reading through most of the posts one thing really bothers me - why did he not confide in his mother? They are close according to the memorandum and if he had no ulterior motives, she would be the absolute best advocate IMO for both of them. She has a responsible job (memorandum) that she has worked at for a very long time. I don't understand this at all and it really is a big factor in why I think he is a predator and not a savior.

I also have to say everyone is being very respectful of other's opinions - I was hoping it wasn't going to go the way of other threads sometimes when there are polarizing opinions. Now, I am hoping for healing for SP and punishment for all involved according to the laws. JMO.

That is the main thing overall. SLP is in a much safer place. RP is in jail, where he better remain for a very long time. BR is going to be held accountable for his actions. Based on evidence, and statements. IMO we seem to be able to maintain civility here. We know the repercussions