Found Safe TN - SLP, 14, Madisonville, Monroe County, 13 Jan 2019 #5 *ARRESTS*

[Yellow Rose]

I can only speak for myself, but *I* would report it and let LE sort it out. I would know I had done my part and LE can deal with wether or not someone is lying about their age. But my conscience would be clear.

Would your conscience still be clear though if it got bungled and word got back to parents prior to RPs arrest? I’m not BDRs friend or advocate but he got her away from the monster then let her write her story and helped her get it turned in.

 

[kkdj]

From what I understand BR's bedroom was the basement and where SP was being kept. How many beds were in there?
jmo

 

[kkdj]

Would your conscience still be clear though if it got bungled and word got back to parents prior to RPs arrest? I’m not BDRs friend or advocate but he got her away from the monster then let her write her story and helped her get it turned in.

So he told his atty.....and that they were unsure if it had been received. I question that statement until and unless it gets verified thru LE. jmo

 

[oviedo]

Do we have a timeline of when the BT and SP met online? How long had they been talking/messaging?

In the complaint please proceed with utmost caution

 

[jellybean96]

Would your conscience still be clear though if it got bungled and word got back to parents prior to RPs arrest? I’m not BDRs friend or advocate but he got her away from the monster then let her write her story and helped her get it turned in.

Yes, my conscience would be clear. Because I did the right thing, with the information given to me. Just like my conscience has been clear when I report suspected physical child abuse (mandated reporter) and then CPS determines it wasn't abuse.

 

[Yellow Rose]

I hope at some time we DO get to hear from S.P....not about the constant SA from her stepped in it but about her escape from it. I actually think it would help others like her to escape their torment. Maybe some day she will write a book or be an advocate for other victims that helps to heal her.

 

[oviedo]

From what I understand BR's bedroom was the basement and where SP was being kept. How many beds were in there?
jmo

Oh dear had not thought of that - I don’t think we will see any more new info for awhile - I still would like to know why he did not enlist his mom to help ?

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I haven’t given my opinion yet on BR yet, although I’ve watched all this back and forth with interest. I tend to err on the side of caution and look for hope, compassion, and kindness. If it’s obviously not there, I get angry quickly. I have not yet felt anger toward BR. But I also feel no certainty, as certainly this matter has many gray areas. I see almost everyone here has been reading the very same exchanges with either rose-colored or s**t-stained glasses, as the case may be. I see a few, thankfully, who are really trying to weigh those text messages carefully and not insert their own preconceived notions into them. I applaud those people. Rarely, in these cases do I actually think, “ this person is innocent in my mind until proven guilty.” Rarely do I feel I would be a good juror.

But in this case, the side I come down on truly is that BR is innocent until I see all of the evidence, until he is proven guilty.

 

[kkdj]

Oh dear had not thought of that - I don’t think we will see any more new info for awhile - I still would like to know why he did not enlist his mom to help ?

Imo....because of his intentions. His mother would not have allowed this. His mother would have discouraged all of how he went about this. She would have given sound advice for the well being of the child. jmo

 

[Yellow Rose]

I haven’t given my opinion yet on BR yet, although I’ve watched all this back and forth with interest. I tend to err on the side of caution and look for hope, compassion, and kindness. If it’s obviously not there, I get angry quickly. I have not yet felt anger toward BR. But I also feel no certainty, as certainly this matter has many gray areas. I see almost everyone here has been reading the very same exchanges with either rose-colored or s**t-stained glasses, as the case may be. I see a few, thankfully, who are really trying to weigh those text messages carefully and not insert their own preconceived notions into them. I applaud those people. Rarely, in these cases do I actually think, “ this person is innocent in my mind until proven guilty.” Rarely do I feel I would be a good juror.

But in this case, the side I come down on truly is that BR is innocent until I see all of the evidence, until he is proven guilty.

I think that’s how the law is set up. Innocent until proven guilty. IMO

 

[zencompass]

Terrified kids don't delve into discussing their deepest secrets and begging a person who they call by their first name without a lengthy period of conversation and getting comfortable, that are apart from the topic of the site, IMO.

Like, "So what are you into? What movies do you like? What's your name? You seem so cool!"

I feel he groomed her.

What I like the most about the threads on Websleuths is that we can listen to what each other is saying, respectfully.

You state in your post (above) that you"feel that he groomed her." And that's your valid feeling. Just as each of us share our opinions. Valid as well, of course.

I don't care to make an opinion or share a feeling until we hear the case as we have little factual information/evidence to go on.

The reason I come to Websleuths is because of the rules here. Posters don't argue or ridicule others' opinions or feelings. Websleuths is a respect-based community.

My interest is in the legal arguments and this case, which, I believe, may set a legal precedent. It's the legal aspect of this case that truly intrigues me.

 

[lonetraveler]

Maybe the whole MO link included a future plan of her coming out of hiding. Maybe they drove there and mailed the evidence to not only throw LE off track of where she was, but to set up a plan for him to return her to MO after RP's arrest so that she could present herself to the FBI in the same place that the mailing occurred. Maybe they had a pact that she would never disclose where she had been to protect BDR and keep him out of trouble, not realizing that LE had her social media accounts and could zero in on her location before they were ready. Maybe that was their plan to bring this to a conclusion.

Maybe?

I've been thinking along that same path. The time delay could have been the two of them trying to figure out how she could appear without getting him in trouble. This could also somewhat explain why he lied to FBI and she hid from them. He was so concerned that he would be in trouble and he helped her escape so I imagine she was very interested in protecting him as well. JMO

 

[human]

I can only hope and pray that whoever talks to SP about BDR's role in all this is very, very careful. Because what I am hearing is the ONLY person who who took any measures to help her is a very bad person. If she hears this too, she is left with nothing to believe in.

She can believe in her own self.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

What I like the most about the threads on Websleuths is that we can listen to what each other is saying, respectfully.

You state in your post (above) that you"feel that he groomed her." And that's your valid feeling. Just as each of us share our opinions. Valid as well, of course.

I don't care to make an opinion or share a feeling until we hear the case as we have little factual information/evidence to go on.

My interest is in the legal arguments and this case, which, I believe, may set a legal precedent. It's the legal aspect of this case that truly intrigues me.

And this is why I want to be zencompass when I grow up.

 

[human]

I feel the same K. SP would be highly vulnerable and more than willing to believe in a 'knight in shining armor' after all she's suffered through.

He knew she was vulnerable. No one to turn to. He made sure to get that info.

Then he scorned her into thinking the only way her knight in shining armor could help her was by sending a seven minute rape tape to him.

It is so ludicrous . A rape tape. Are you kidding me! Who would ask for something like that!

 

[MsBetsy]

@gitana1 couldn't agree more with your post. I said basically the same things time and again on the last thread, BR doesn't get a free pass just bc he didn't SA SP. I'm grateful if he didn't, but I'm not convinced there wasn't some type of inappropriate action(s).

He still broke the law, coerced a 14 yo to video a rape, transported her across country, hid her in the basement away from Mommy, and then lied when the FBI knocked on his door. Huh?

He's a 31 year old college graduate, he's not some poor 'don't know any better, did the best I could, misunderstood boyo' IMO. He might just think he's smarter than the FBI/LE.

I'll wait for further information to be released from the prosecution's side before I wave the banners and hand BR a medal for his selfless, heroic efforts. Yes, bitter and jaded party of 1. I've seen and been a part of too many child abuse threads.

Yes, although I do give him credit for helping her get out of a dangerous situation, I would hardly call him a hero.
A hero does not stop to consider the consequences of his actions, or how it will effect him, he just acts.
He may have provided LE with the evidence they needed to charge Pruitt with rape, but it was his actions after picking SP up that just don't make sense.
He should have gone straight to LE, or the nearest hospital. They had the evidence. Even though he didn't understand the law, he knew enough about needing the evidence to prove a crime had been committed, and he had already made sure of that.
Hopefully we will have a much clearer picture when we hear from the other side.
The important thing is, after enduring a horrible life with her father, she is safe at last and can begin the long road to recovery and healing. She seems to me like a very strong person! Imo

 

[kkdj]

What I like the most about the threads on Websleuths is that we can listen to what each other is saying, respectfully.

You state in your post (above) that you"feel that he groomed her." And that's your valid feeling. Just as each of us share our opinions. Valid as well, of course.

I don't care to make an opinion or share a feeling until we hear the case as we have little factual information/evidence to go on.

The reason I come to Websleuths is because of the rules here. Posters don't argue or ridicule others' opinions or feelings. Websleuths is a respect-based community.

My interest is in the legal arguments and this case, which, I believe, may set a legal precedent. It's the legal aspect of this case that truly intrigues me.

What sort of legal precedent do you think this case might set?
I've seen others with the same feeling and have wondered.

 

[human]

I've been thinking along that same path. The time delay could have been the two of them trying to figure out how she could appear without getting him in trouble. This could also somewhat explain why he lied to FBI and she hid from them. He was so concerned that he would be in trouble and he helped her escape so I imagine she was very interested in protecting him as well. JMO

And why did he think a traumatized child with evidence should not be helped immediately?

 

[oviedo]

He knew she was vulnerable. No one to turn to. He made sure to get that info.

Then he scorned her into thinking the only way her knight in shining armor could help her was by sending a seven minute rape tape to him.

It is so ludicrous . A rape tape. Are you kidding me! Who would ask for something like that!

This is why I struggle - it’s just so horrible and I believe I may feel different if he engaged his Mom on Christmas Eve when it began - like “hey Mom you know the computer internet game I play in my room in the basement there is this girl who claims she’s being raped- what should we do?” But he never did - I’m not going to rehash the points made so eloquently by @gitana1 and others - this seals it for me - he was not looking out for her best interest IMO - we will see when all the evidence comes out but the strict interpretation of the crime he is charged with leaves little doubt for guilt IMO - if intent is allowed -? That’s a whole other can of worms IMO the legal aspects will be argued but I can’t forget this is a child who was kept by BR from health care professionals and mental health professionals after the brutalization of her by a family member (no evidence he took her to any professionals other than to mail a package) and for that I cannot ever understand or condone his behavior - which really doesn’t matter I’m not anyone important to her so my opinion is really meaningless - sorry for the long post

 

[oviedo]

What sort of legal precedent do you think this case might set?
I've seen others with the same feeling and have wondered.

The old adage the end justifies the means IMO