Found Safe TN - SLP, 14, Madisonville, Monroe County, 13 Jan 2019 #5 *ARRESTS*

[Julia966]

As far as I know, the only way we know she told her mother is that the WI guy said she told him that. But I do agree. I do not know if it went on since she was a toddler how the mother could not have known. It defies understanding. I can understand denial and a belief that no, I am thinking things I should not as I think for people who are not inherently evil, if one's thoughts go there, one then tells oneself I have no reason to think that and what am I thinking about him?? HOWEVER, in all of those years and who knows what he may have did when she was very young (I do not want to know what the acts were) but the mother should have still been intimately involved, bathing her, dressing her, doing her laundry, etc. It is EXTREMELY difficult to believe she did not know. There is more to this. I feel. The move, the home schooling, the dog, etc. She KNEW on some level. I hope I am forgiven for judging if I am wrong. All make mistakes but that is a whole lot of years...

Wasn't her revelation that she told her mother in a text between SP and BR? I think we've seen evidence that SP told BR that she told her mother.

 

[PommyMommy]

The last sentence in the paragraph clipped below, bolded by me, does that confirm the FBI received and immediately acted upon, SPs package??

“Information about the package delivery was absent from the initial affidavit written by state Division of Criminal Investigation Agent James Pertzborn. Pertzborn said at the hearing Tuesday that at the time the affidavit was written, he was not aware that Rogers and the teen had sent the letter and SD card to the FBI. Bednarek added that Pruitt was arrested shortly after the FBI received the package.”

That's what it sounds like to me.
MOO

 

[ilovechili]

If the FBI was able to retrieve all of their chats, on all the platforms they used, they have not released anything related to mommy dearest IMO

I am still catching up but neither side has released everything unless they have not found everything... Where is the beginning of the conversations? Who initiated it? Where is the game talk and how did it lead to the other talk? Where are the messages through various other apps and encrypted, etc. Did they ever talk on the phone? Did they ever meet in person? Could she have met him somewhere in person originally and then they exchanged info like emails or game app names or a way to communicate?

I am not excusing nor defending anything, I am just saying there is soooo very much missing... Has WI guy ever been to Tennessee or Georgia, etc. before?

Does his internet/gaming history have other such conversations or child porn? Does his history?

Do not take this as a defense of him because it is not in any way shape or form, I have simply learned we never seem to know it all and all we know is the initial stages right now of charges and both sides are putting on the facts that best support their case, and seemingly only those "facts".

I want to know about the trunk and the closet. I am following the missing girl in SD and many think she would have been dead in an hour from frostbite and exposure. Do we think she traveled and lived in a trunk at times in Wisconsin? Or was it just when necessary like driving up to mom's house in the neighborhood maybe for a half hour in the dark, agreed to and totally blanketed and covered? There is no heat in trunks and you are talking Wisconsin if she was ever kept in there for hours or days.

I have not been on here for years but I have been for months and have now followed a few cases, many and most of you have followed more. I have learned though this quickly that we rarely know it all or the truth as things unfold.

Door was kicked in not shot in. False. Saw no cars, passed no cars. False. Mom in bathroom. Don't know. She was. JC case.

Both men in this case are probably guilty as sin, I don't know but we are only in the preliminary stages. And we never get surrounding facts. I want to know if WI guy ever had a gf, ever had any issues, etc. Not a person has come forward or said that even for money from a rag publication. I want to know why daddy dearest has only been charged with ONE rape if he was at it for 12 years? I want to know why focus seems to be on WI boy and he faces a grand jury quicker than adopto dad?

I guess I want to believe there is good in this world and it plays in. In my few months on here, I am also learning that people I have met can have opposing opinions on one case and agree on another. And most are respectful. And I love that.

Although I did follow a case recently that it seemed just the opposite. It seemed some of the posters have an agenda. That case has not come back on, it seems to have disappeared.

Anyhowwww, I see both sides. And I have to say Gitana that you give a great legal argument, well laid out with supporting facts that would sway me totally and each one I read, I agree with each and every point and would if I was a juror. Yet I still have these questions above and more and want to hear all of the facts that they know which we do not.

Again, I have not caught up on the thread. I am on yesterday yet midday.

I do love that this case has been a very civil discussion from almost all.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I still can’t get Nicole Lovell out of my head. While her case is different in the sense that she was not fleeing an abusive home (al though she was being bullied at school), there are some similarities which I think are worth noting.

“Sometime in the middle of the night, the 13-year-old had climbed out of her bedroom window taking along her phone and her favorite blue cartoon blanket.“

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“Like millions of teens, Nicole spent a lot of her social time online. So Weeks feared she might have left to see someone she'd met on the internet.“

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“Nicole's social media posts reveal a sadly typical teenage story: so lonely she'd had suicidal thoughts, longing for love and convinced nobody cared about her.“

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“Weeks says Nicole not only had trouble fitting in, she also had a difficult relationship with her father, David Lovell. He did prison time on a drug charge and he's had other problems with the law.
"She wanted his attention," Weeks said. "She wanted his love."“

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“But Nicole was leading an unsupervised life online through the social media apps on her smartphone.
"It's like a loaded gun," said Pamela Casey, a district attorney in Blount County, Ala., who is on a national crusade warning people about the dangers of social media.
"This is the new crime of our time," she said.
Pamela Casey PSA: If you pick up your child's phone and you don't know the password, that's a problem. If you don't know…
Casey began speaking out long before Nicole Lovell disappeared in Virginia. Her online safety videos have been seen by millions across the country.
Pamela Casey PSA: I can actually go live on Periscope and post updates to you guys… if I can do that live sitting in my office, then your child can do that live in their bedroom.
"Years ago, you had to worry about your kid getting snatched. Parents don't realize that essentially your kid could get snatched -- their life taken by somebody they meet in their own bedroom," said Casey.“

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“FBI computer forensics experts traced Nicole's account information and quickly established that she'd regularly used Kik – a popular chat app attractive to teens, in part, because they can communicate anonymously without their parents knowing.”

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“So the FBI put in what they call an emergency disclosure request to Kik. They wanted to see Nicole's personal account, and they make a startling discovery. It turns out that in the last two days of her life, she'd been messaging with a person who had a chilling username: "Dr_Tombstone."
Using an IP address provided by Kik, investigators traced the Dr_Tombstone screen name to David Eisenhauser, 18, a freshman engineering student at Virginia Tech.”

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District Attorney Pamela Casey said Eisenhauer and Keepers may represent a new kind of predator.
"Sometimes it's usually the people we least expect," Casey warned.
"They could be your next door neighbor," she said. "…they can stay behind their phone and hide behind their phone -- just like your child is doin'."
Casey said criminals often use apps like Kik. Why? Because it's where kids hang out online. In fact, Kik -- a Canadian company -- claims that millions of American teens use their app every month.
"You can be anybody…" said a convicted predator we'll call "Steve."
He should know. "Steve," 38, said he used the Internet to groom kids and spent 10 years in prison for molestation. He told "48 Hours" he now feels a new urge to sound the alarm about anonymous chat apps like Kik.
"Kik … is a predator's paradise," he said.
"Pedophiles, do they go on Kik, pose as a 13, 14, 15-year-old in order to hopefully strike up a relationship with a child?" Van Sant asked.
"Yes, that's quite common on there," "Steve" replied.
"Steve" demonstrated just how easy it is for an adult to use the Kik app to begin a conversation with a child.”

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“My message is: 'I'm sad and lonely,'" said "Steve".
After hitting send, it took just 44 seconds for the first response to arrive. Another girl, apparently a teenager, responded less than three minutes later.
"In two days max, I could have her sending me nude pictures," "Steve" said. "Once you make 'em happy, you got their heart, once you got their heart, everything else follows."”

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“But her parents did become suspicious when Elizabeth, then 15, suddenly started acting strangely.
"She would be going to bed earlier than normal," her father said.
Elizabeth seemed distracted -- less interested in family activities, in church, and even in friends. Her parents took her smartphone away and asked to see her social media accounts. She refused.
"At that point you're like, 'OK, something's really wrong here,'" said Brandy Syrotchen.
They were stunned to learn just how wrong.“

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“Elizabeth was angry and evasive, but her parents finally got her passwords and soon discovered the truth. She had been communicating with a stranger: a 30-year-old Seattle-area man named Jason.“

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“ "This guy's evil. She's fooled. She's lured in," said Branden Syrotchen.”

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“The horror continued as the Syrotchens realized that within hours, Jason would be driving the 280 miles from Seattle to Spokane to pick up their daughter. They locked Elizabeth in her room with no phone or Internet access and called police.
"'This guy wants to kidnap my daughter tonight. He's planning to kidnap my daughter tonight,'" said Branden Syrotchen.”

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“Gritting her teeth, Brandy Syrotchen went online -- impersonating her own daughter.
"For seven hours, I sat there and listened to him, 'Oh baby I can't wait to see you … I can't wait to get you in my arms …lay in the same bed together, wake up in the morning,'" she said in tears. "And for seven hours I communicated back, 'Oh baby, I love you too …I can't wait.'"“

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“District Attorney Pamela Casey says far too many internet predators are turning to apps like Kik, and their alleged crimes are making headlines across the U.S.—more crimes than Facebook and Instagram users combined.”

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“"Kids are going to use a messenger. If we were to shut down Kik tomorrow, there'll be 10 right behind it," said Livingston.“

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“Nicole Lovell's death is a dark reminder of how social media has profoundly changed society.
"I hope … everybody learns from this. Hold their kids tight. 'Cause it can happen to you," said Weeks.
Today, our children have a host of new ways to live… and new ways to die as well.“

Killer App
JUNE 4, 2017 / CBS NEWS

Thanks for sharing that, very interesting case. Very well written article. From your link..

"Richards pleaded guilty to child rape and communication with a minor for immoral purposes. His lawyer argued Richards has autism, which can be a mitigating factor for several crimes in Washington State. He got a light sentence: three years."

""I just feel so fooled. Like, for three years I've been defending him and it's not right, it's not right," she replied."

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Another thing about Nicole Lovell’s case, her perp killed her because she was a liability, she was going to expose their relationship.

How long was BR going to continue holding SP if the cops wouldn’t have shown up? Was he going to just let her go once RP was arrested? At some point she becomes a liability, kidnapping, sex charges, etc. Then what?
Maybe he’s not a killer and would have let her go at some point, as Kibby did with AH, or maybe he wouldn’t have.

And if he didn’t, and she was never found, well perhaps RP would’ve taken the fall for murder.

It seems like he groomed her to be in the trunk of the car.

He had done it before, and it seems like part of the grooming so if he needed an escape, he had already made her trust him for putting her in the trunk.

And it could have ended up very badly indeed, MOO.

I question what his endgame was.

 

[ilovechili]

I don't know. Someone who may have never progressed to actually having the "prey" in his home might have felt he had to allow her to do that at a certain point. He knew he couldn't keep her there forever, alive. And he doesn't seem to be a killer.

It also likely kept her compliant.

But he was very careful to try to conceal their whereabouts wen that stuff was sent.

I cannot disagree with one word that you say. Your posts are well thought out and very well backed up.

I guess I get back to degrees... There is evil that cannot be rehabilitated and then there are those that are harder to understand and that is where I am at with WI guy.

While I understand the focus on WI guy, it seems to have taken away in some ways from daddy dearest and mom?? I mean what was she running from? I entirely get it and that both men and possibly mom should be charged but it also seems like WI guy is being more focused on than RP who, without getting into specifics, was seen on video. And mom. And what is going on with mom? I am still catching up but RP almost seems forgotten about... I do not mean that at anyone here, I mean it in the sense of media, hearings, etc. WI guy definitely needs to be charged and have the case heard, without a doubt. I am still catching up but everything I am reading seems to have almost forgot about adopto-dad, the reason WI guy may have looked good in comparison. That is not on her, I am saying that it is not hard to understand.

Why is her dad as far as I know charged with one count of rape and due to probably only video evidence? Clearly more than that occurred through the years? Yet WI guy seems to be the focus? And what about mom?

Not arguing, I think you know that, but it almost seems like the guy who both saved her and may also have been grooming her is the focus now even in the courts...

 

[ilovechili]

That's the only way I can see it happening, assuming the reporting is accurate. I've been a rape crisis counselor, and random people aren't allowed to stand around during an exam, even U.S. attorneys. How the information became public is another question.

Something else to wonder about. I found it unusual. No expert however on protocols in such scenarios.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I also note that, unless I've missed it, even the Daily Mail and Radar haven't tracked down a single friend, acquaintance, former girlfriend or classmate to give their experiences with him. Even recluse JP from the JC case had a few people come forward.

I also haven't seen any local news from the Georgia town ( I can't remember the name of the town but I think it's metropolitan area) that they lived in prior to moving. I think some of the media is going to be hands-off on this as far as investigative reporting such as where they used to live in Georgia.

 

[ilovechili]

Death Penalty.

i agree. i am still a day and a half behind on posts so if this has been discussed, i do not realize.

the sad fact is one rape in tennessee, to my knowledge all he is charged with, will not even result in life in prison. someone can correct me if i am incorrect. in fact he seems to be less on the radar than others. and he was the catalyst. jmho.

 

[ilovechili]

I’m not so sure that a 14 year old in this situation, particularly with her background, would feel that she could refuse. Could she have consented? Sure. But was she comfortable with it? I question that. Just my opinion.

this may sound rather inane, but if a child cannot consent to sex, how can she consent to this? she is a minor. no expert, but i would guess it has to do with prosecution, it is allowed to put the perp away...? attorneys can weigh in, i have no idea. but just logically the 14 year old victim could not consent...

 

[ilovechili]

I still have a couple of pages to read, but I have to take a break, just reading what happened to her is somewhat traumatizing to me, it's unimaginable how she must be feeling.

So I don't know if anybody mentioned this in the last couple of pages, but someone posted again, that the step-******* wanted to get her pregnant. And the question how this even would have worked because it would have been proof that he raped her.

So I suddenly had this thought in my head, the only way it makes sense - he made sure that the entire family was isolated, what if he wanted to get her pregnant and just keep her on the farm hiding her there, they were "homeschooling" her anyway and there were no neighbors, then she would have had the baby right there on the farm without hospital, doctors, etc. - and then they just could have claimed that her mother is the mother of the baby, no one would even know if the mother was pregnant or not in this isolation.

If he really wanted her to get pregnant, this is actually the only way I see how he could have gotten away with it (because like I said, the baby would have been 1000 % proof, so there must have been a plan, I doubt his plan was to get her to have his baby and then go to prison for life). I just think there must have been a reason why - at her age now - they suddenly a few months ago went into total isolation, for her, for the entire family. And maybe that reason wasn't because they knew she told someone, maybe a teacher, maybe the reason was a lot more serious than that.

And momma would have just believed with SP isolated at home and home schooled that it was an immaculate conception right? Just saying... What are the facts regarding momma? Apparently *daddy* thought it would fly for some reason....

 

[ilovechili]

Perhaps SP, had spoken to the U. S attorney, had confidence in her, and requested she be present.
SP had been let down continually, and perhaps now is voicing what she wants.
MOO.

Still catching up so forgive me if addressed. While I love this idea, she is a minor, can she give that consent?

 

[ilovechili]

IMO this is where access to their entire typed correspondence would clear so much up.

Did she type somewhere that she tried telling her mom, only to not be believed? BR claims SLP told him this.

Did she type other details, that led to her typing, "So what* happens between us now bryan..." (Court Doc) What is SLP really asking there? How to play the next level on their game? Uhm, I don't believe so...

There are too many gaps to 'see' what other conversations were taking place.

The kicker is they discussed the hospital, and rape kit, but he was not going to come help her sort that out. Wouldn't that evidence be as powerful as a video? IMO, to BR, only the video would suffice. And the rest is part of SLP's history. BR got that video. SLP fought it, but eventually gave in. Defeated.

There are gaps though. That is what bothers me. Where is the introduction, the getting to know each other, the first talks...? Where when we see the chat put up now both by prosecution and defense are the gaps in between...? Did they start talking about the game and if so, how did it lead into sharing she was being molested? I hate my mind sometimes--I want the answers and the gaps filled. I in no way want private or personal details other than to know if someone should be convicted but we only get a "bite" of info with no surrounding facts or info. Or it sure seems like it. And not just in this case. While I get in each case they need to keep some facts to themselves, etc., there is also a balance of the public needing to know there is a reason, that facts are not hidden, etc. so that the public does not distrust nor wonder. I do not have the right words, but hope I put that right that most will understand what I mean.

I still wonder why creepy non dad has ONE charge??

ETA: I mean adopto dad. WHY one charge? And to date, we have never seen a court paper saying he legally adopted these girls.

 

[Jim_M]

While I don’t want to go off topic here, I do think this is a great platform to mention that Roblox is well known to be a breeding ground for predators. IMO. *Parents can control interaction level.* I am a mental health screener and was assessing a young girl one day and what she told me happened on this game was highly disturbing and she didn’t see it as a problem. It was normal behavior to her. This cannot become the norm for our children. I won’t go into details, but the following link describes a lot of what happens. I don’t buy that this 31-year-old educated man did not know what Roblox is about...IMO. My kids have known for years that the game has high potential for this type of behavior. Disclaimer: I’m not knocking the game because everyone on there does not engage in this, I’m just saying it’s known to have high potential for sexual predators. I’m curious if any virtual activity happened between this guy and SP, and if so, can those activities be recovered?

“A user-generated online gaming community marketed to children and teens is horrifying parents who say the app allows strangers to initiate lewd conversations and virtual sex acts with its young players.”

Roblox: Alarm over 'sickening' virtual sex acts in app for kids

Well that certainly was an eye opener!

Back in the beginning of time, as you will, it was Sims Online that warranted oversight. I recall one of my children exclaiming, "There's child porn on here!" Talk about heart-in-throat moment. And we parents thought we were keeping a close eye on things. Yikes!

The amazing technology at everyone's fingertips needs even more awareness by caregivers in today's world. IMO MHO

 

[oviedo]

I guess it is why I am still in wait and see mode on some things. Someone else may be better at this with memory but Missouri was included as somewhere they were fairly early on, BEFORE we heard they allegedly mailed these things in Missouri to the Missouri FBI. It was also included in the states they were looking in for her before this WI guy was ever found. People wondered why... If they received this, that would explain it (not sure if the timing explains it though). At the time I thought it might be she was trying to find her bio dad who is from Missouri...

With regard to her privacy, I just do not know. I think that may go out the window if one wants a prosecution.

I would like to know, if still true, why daddy dearest (adoptive dad) is only facing one charge to date...?

Was her bio father inMO? I thought I read that but I don’t have the link

 

[Yellow Rose]

I don't think it's necessarily that RP is not being concentrated on one bit. I think it's just the BDR had his hearing recently and that's when we saw the defense paperwork and then the court documents. RP's got postponed so will heat up again shortly! IMO

 

[oviedo]

I cannot disagree with one word that you say. Your posts are well thought out and very well backed up.

I guess I get back to degrees... There is evil that cannot be rehabilitated and then there are those that are harder to understand and that is where I am at with WI guy.

While I understand the focus on WI guy, it seems to have taken away in some ways from daddy dearest and mom?? I mean what was she running from? I entirely get it and that both men and possibly mom should be charged but it also seems like WI guy is being more focused on than RP who, without getting into specifics, was seen on video. And mom. And what is going on with mom? I am still catching up but RP almost seems forgotten about... I do not mean that at anyone here, I mean it in the sense of media, hearings, etc. WI guy definitely needs to be charged and have the case heard, without a doubt. I am still catching up but everything I am reading seems to have almost forgot about adopto-dad, the reason WI guy may have looked good in comparison. That is not on her, I am saying that it is not hard to understand.

Why is her dad as far as I know charged with one count of rape and due to probably only video evidence? Clearly more than that occurred through the years? Yet WI guy seems to be the focus? And what about mom?

Not arguing, I think you know that, but it almost seems like the guy who both saved her and may also have been grooming her is the focus now even in the courts...

IMO RP is so far convicted because of the evidence no one is bothering with him - the only question may be the length of his sentence and who knew what was going on and when did they know it (BR saying what she told him regarding the long term family abuse by RP) while BR is an enigma we really don’t know yet the extent of his communications with the child victim (just the complaint and memorandum of law filed by defense) and what went on for 17 days at his mothers home while he lived in the basement and mom was home by all accounts - the trunk, closet, how many beds in basement etc? So many details yet to be released and may never be IMO

 

[PayrollNerd]

RP having only 1 rape charge in TN is likely all they need to hold him. Once this all comes to light I’m sure there will be additional counts charged. SPs historical account has to be damning against him. She has sickening proof and no reason to lie. God bless her for surviving.

 

[tmar]

I keep thinking about SP, amongst Adults, Professionals, being counseled.
It would be great if she was pampered: going to the hairdresser, having her hair cut and styled, a manicure and pedicure, and some shopping.
Hope this could be arranged, and she goes along with another young girl, both being escorted.
She would love that.
MOO.

 

[oviedo]

Wasn't her revelation that she told her mother in a text between SP and BR? I think we've seen evidence that SP told BR that she told her mother.

As far as I have read in the legal documents no communication between the defendant and victim regarding who else had been told has been released yet - it is the word of BR relaying what the victim told him and as part of his defense so far IMO