AMBER ALERT TN - Summer Moon-Utah Wells, 5, Rogersville, 15 Jun 2021 #24

[Krwiley60]

I would think so. In the case I mentioned the police bugged the suspect’s car, home, home landline, and his friend weared a wire.

The difference may be that the missing girl’s car had been found with her bloodstains, so they knew she was murdered. But only local police were investigating. In Summer’s case the TBI is involved. I’d think they could bug DW’s pens and pencils if they wanted to.

Or put a slap and track gps under their vehicles.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Yes. #2 yes.

Moo

I think you and I have similar questions about sensitive areas of this case, Parent. For obvious reasons, it's not something we can, or should, discuss here , but I do try to subtly point out things that I find problematic in a way that might help others to connect some dots. To be honest, I struggle with whether or not I should even being doing that, as it might be something better left to private discussion.

 

[NuttMegg]

I mean prior to last night. In one of the CM shows he said Don told him he's a sinner and CM said I know I'm a sinner, etc., but didn't play the call. It could be that Don says this all the time - he repeats himself a lot. I am going through the previous interviews to find where this was discussed before but it's taking me a while since there are so many!

I am just referring to last night's new call from DW to CM. I just posted a link. So the link has the NEW 3 minute call, and finishes analysis of the original long phone call from DW to CM.

 

[December]

The Utah Supreme Court ruled in 2020 that the 2016 statute change cannot be applied retroactively.

Supreme Court rules it can’t retroactively apply law that extends statute of limitations for child sex abuse cases

State v. Lavoto

So, this is criminal cases... Does any lawyer know if he can be sued in civil court?

 

[AbbeyBabbey]

Yes then CM tells us that he recently received a short call from DW where CW listens in and plays it first. The short phone call was definitely not recorded on August 1 - the long phone call they have been analysing in three sessions was recorded on August 1.

I'm just quoting what CM stated as a promo for Part 3:

"Join Chris and Truth2Lies.com's Steve Johnson, a forensic statement analyst, to discuss the Aug. 1 conversation between Summer Wells' father, Don Wells, and The Interview Room. This is Part 3. Summer Wells, the 5-year-old Tennessee girl, has been missing since June 15."

Until I see an update with a timestamp of when the 2-3 minute call occurred, I'll go with what CM stated. YMMD
Peace!

 

[LietKynes]

The Utah Supreme Court ruled in 2020 that the 2016 statute change cannot be applied retroactively.

Supreme Court rules it can’t retroactively apply law that extends statute of limitations for child sex abuse cases

State v. Lavoto

So, this is criminal cases... Does any lawyer know if he can be sued in civil court?

bbm
Maybe, since the relatives have come forward with proof they would have a case.
Imo.

 

[dacjess]

I'm just quoting what CM stated as a promo for Part 3:

"Join Chris and Truth2Lies.com's Steve Johnson, a forensic statement analyst, to discuss the Aug. 1 conversation between Summer Wells' father, Don Wells, and The Interview Room. This is Part 3. Summer Wells, the 5-year-old Tennessee girl, has been missing since June 15."

Until I see an update with a timestamp of when the 2-3 minute call occurred, I'll go with what CM stated. YMMD
Peace!

You have to listen to the actual video that was posted… just because it was not included in the brief promo does not mean he didn’t say it. It’s been linked to multiple times in this thread.

 

[BuckeyeGal]

I am glad LE is letting him ramble all over SM...
just like LS did when Gannon was missing.
Her "Cousin It" interview and after were only harming herself.

Truthspeak

Also, according to CW, they have hired an attorney so not sure what this attorney is advising them to do, but obviously, it is not to keep quiet,

SBM

I have to wonder if their atty IS advising them, but DW and CW are not heeding this advice.
MOO, but I can only imagine how DW's admissions of prior s.a. and increasingly unpredictable behavior will factor into their CPS case. IME, I believe all these YT interviews will be used as evidence in their CPS case and make it much more difficult for them to get their boys back.

I am sad that their children have to bear the burdrn of their parents' mistakes.

 

[Estelle]

Oh, so you're saying the victims could sue him? That's interesting. Ianal, but maybe they could.

Eta: that sounds sarcastic, i don't mean it that way.

No his victim/s cannot sue him as that would be a civil case but they can place criminal charges if they were children when it occurred. They have removed the statute of limitations only for child SA - not for adult SA. That might be where there is a misreading of the statutes.

 

[nao]

Moo...I understand the stepsister contacting LE re the sa...but why go public at this time? This happened 40 years ago. I do not think this has benefited Summer in any way....moo

 

[SMK777]

What about drugs?

He told CM on TIR, when explaining how he did drug runs to Mexico, with a chuckle, that “druggies have a hard time doing drug runs”.
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[NuttMegg]

Do you have something that states anything other than what CM states:

"Join Chris and Truth2Lies.com's Steve Johnson, a forensic statement analyst, to discuss the Aug. 1 conversation between Summer Wells' father, Don Wells, and The Interview Room. This is Part 3. Summer Wells, the 5-year-old Tennessee girl, has been missing since June 15."

I'd love to see it and be proven wrong.

IMO you are quoting a promo, not the first part of the program that actually aired. CM stated how he was adding in the new call from DW. It's really easy to find, I posted the link and it's on the TIR site. It's the very first video listed on the TIR site, part 3. Promos are to advertize what's planned, but additions to programs are not unusual. Anyway, if you want proof, just watch the first 5 minutes of the video, and forget the "promo". To see what actually happened and was said.

 

[dacjess]

Moo...I understand the stepsister contacting LE re the sa...but why go public at this time? This happened 40 years ago. I do not think this has benefited Summer in any way....moo

She stated she went forward when she found out Summer had gone missing because she was afraid DW may have been involved. IMO, there are many personal reasons that people do not originally report SA. It feels embarrassing, it is hard to prove, etc. (I personally did report what happened to me and the trial was the toughest day of my life. A person has to be ready for that and make that decision for themselves. Children are often not equipped for that).

An example: Top 10 Reasons People Do Not Report Sexual Abuse

 

[rainynights]

I'm just quoting what CM stated as a promo for Part 3:

"Join Chris and Truth2Lies.com's Steve Johnson, a forensic statement analyst, to discuss the Aug. 1 conversation between Summer Wells' father, Don Wells, and The Interview Room. This is Part 3. Summer Wells, the 5-year-old Tennessee girl, has been missing since June 15."

Until I see an update with a timestamp of when the 2-3 minute call occurred, I'll go with what CM stated. YMMD
Peace!

CM didn't broadcast the Aug 1 call until Aug 4, so it doesn't make sense that this 2nd profanity-laced call would've happened on the same day as the Aug 1 call that TIR has been analyzing across 3 Parts. MOO

As for the description, that's the same description he used since last Thursday, so it's possible he received another call in the interim but didn't update the description on the YT page.
AMBER ALERT - TN - Summer Moon-Utah Wells, 5, Rogersville, 15 Jun 2021 #23

03:03
uh so steve so tonight we're gonna do part three uh of our uh the call with dawn and uh also um i've got a another call that i want to play now this call is from don he called me again [...] (TIR – YouTube 8/15/21)

 

[flashy09]

He is still going to work trying to provide for his family, he goes to the prayer vigils, has respected the gag order, he has used adult language (I have seen no abusive language) with another “adult”, he is keeping his daughters name out there and has been incredibly forthcoming even regarding his transgressions that occurred decades ago. Yeah I think he has handle himself quite well

What is your opinion of when he says he abused his 5 yr old stepsister, but that she initiated it, is just as guilty, and he didn't "know how girls are?" Is that handling past transgressions well?

When he says he will do everything he can to slander CM's name? That means lie on purpose!

There was plenty of abusive language in the latest phone call to CM.

 

[JC40]

Summer Wells Father Retraces His Steps / Tour & Sheds

@ 2:39 Don says "so we turn", then he corrects himself and says, "i turn straight away in here"

Time stamped.

Was someone else with him in his truck ?

Replying to my own post. This pronoun switch ("We" to "I") in my opinion is should be explored. Pronouns are instinctive and require no pre thought. They are 100% reliable. If i asked you to recall an event in your life from the past and you was on your own, would you say "we"? , knowing you was by yourself? No, because your brain would not allow it. You wouldn't pause to think, should i say "I" or "We". For me, this change is significant, especially, because, this is unique and doesn't happen to a family every day. Why he changes, i don't know. It has my attention, however.

 

[MrsWatson]

He told CM on TIR, when explaining how he did drug runs to Mexico, with a chuckle, that “druggies have a hard time doing drug runs”.
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I remember it, too.

 

[Alethea]

If you look at the transcript for the new call, it says 8/15 at 12:06pm. I don't know if that's the call time or the transcription time but I would assume call time.

At 4:32 in this video:

 

[katydid23]

I tell everyone how much I love my kids and grandkids; all the time. And they are not missing. I see nothing wrong with what he said.

Are there any 5 yr olds, that you say 'love me more than anyone has ever loved me in my love' and do you ever say they love you so much that they need to be with you every night, and they sleep by your side, every night?

 

[BuckeyeGal]

I realize all cases are different and therefore the allowed or expected timeframes are vastly different as well, but what is the average length of time it generally takes parents to get their children back when they have been removed by CPS? Or does anyone know if there is a set time for how long children can be in CPS care before rights are terminated or does that time vary with each case as well? The boys have been gone for quite some time now havent they?

All MOO and IME:
The short answer is it depends.
CPS will develop a case plan to address the issues that led to the children's removal. Once CPS/the court decides that the issues have been resolved, then reunification can occur. There isn't a minimum time limit.

Usually there is a limited period of time that is given for parents to complete a case plan, often around 2 years.