AMBER ALERT TN - Summer Moon-Utah Wells, 5, Rogersville, 15 Jun 2021 #28

[LietKynes]

I found it very suspicious. They directly asked him if this was on June 15 the day Summer went missing, and he said, ‘Yes’. Then, in a later interview he completely recanted and said it was 5-10 days prior to the 15th (can’t recall exactly how many days, but it was substantial). That’s a big change.
ETA: Was probably much after Summer went missing— see @potatoes13 post below.

Thanks, @SMK and @potatoes13 !

So, that's 3 changes.

First red truck "sighting" was the day Summer was disappeared.
The second version was 5-10 days prior to the 15th or thereabouts !
The third version was after the 15th , 6 days before the interview.

In other words ... a red herring and a big "nothing burger".

No wonder LE have in their most recent press release said they still do not know the circumstances in which Summer vanished and everything is still on the table.
I feel for LE as I believe they truly care about Summer and finding her, and/or answers.
MOO.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Thanks, @SMK and @potatoes13 !

So, that's 3 changes.

First red truck "sighting" was the day Summer was disappeared.
The second version was 5-10 days prior to the 15th or thereabouts !
The third version was after the 15th , 6 days before the interview.

In other words ... a red herring and a big "nothing burger".

No wonder LE have in their most recent press release said they still do not know the circumstances in which Summer vanished and everything is still on the table.
I feel for LE as I believe they truly care about Summer and finding her, and/or answers.
MOO.

I think he told the truth the first time (and the 2nd and 3rd time, because he was asked 3 times in this same interview), realized he stepped in it, and then later tried to do clean up.

04:00
yeah that sounds pretty since you bring
04:02
up the red truck
04:04
um how did that tip come into play was
04:07
that you
04:08
that brought that up because you saw the
04:10
red truck or did somebody else
04:12
bring that into play and tell you guys
04:13
there was a red truck or how did exactly
04:15
did the red truck come into the picture
04:18
for when I was
04:21
leaving for work that morning um there
04:24
was a guy at the bottom of my driveway i
04:26
want me to
04:26
full start his four-wheeled uh his
04:29
four-wheeler
04:30
and then the police showed up and he he
04:33
asked if i could go ahead and pull it
04:34
over to his truck
04:36
so and the policeman said yeah mr wells
04:39
just pulled over there you know and so i
04:41
did
04:42
and uh when we got there i seen the
04:44
truck out on the bank of the
04:46
of the ditch there high centered and
04:48
then uh
04:50
and i asked the officers to take some
04:52
pictures he said no problem mr wells go
04:53
ahead and he started asking him
04:56
for paperwork and when i went to the
04:58
side of the truck to take a picture of
05:00
some woman stuck her head out there was
05:01
a woman in that truck
05:03
and uh she looked like she ain't combed
05:05
her hair for like two months i don't
05:06
know but
05:08
she just laid back down in there and
05:09
covered up but that kind of stuff
05:11
is constant in our area and uh
05:15
you know all kinds of stuff going on you
05:18
know i think
05:19
meth is becoming what always has been
05:22
it's
05:23
it's getting worse i guess it's it's a
05:26
serious problem
05:27
i guess it is everywhere but yeah
05:32
and now that was this small of the
05:34
morning
05:41
sorry that was that morning that morning you left for
05:43
work that that happened with the
05:44
four wheeler in that
05:46
yes yes
05:49
so the police were there june 15th
05:53
early in the morning then ? Yeah.
05:57
yeah they just showed up because
05:59
somebody else called the law.
06:03
wow well you already know what i'm
06:05
thinking but we can't say it on this so
06:08
wow interesting

 

[LietKynes]

I think he told the truth the first time (and the 2nd and 3rd time, because he was asked 3 times in this same interview), realized he stepped in it, and then later tried to do clean up.

04:00
yeah that sounds pretty since you bring
04:02
up the red truck
04:04
um how did that tip come into play was
04:07
that you
04:08
that brought that up because you saw the
04:10
red truck or did somebody else
04:12
bring that into play and tell you guys
04:13
there was a red truck or how did exactly
04:15
did the red truck come into the picture
04:18
for when I was
04:21
leaving for work that morning um there
04:24
was a guy at the bottom of my driveway i
04:26
want me to
04:26
full start his four-wheeled uh his
04:29
four-wheeler
04:30
and then the police showed up and he he
04:33
asked if i could go ahead and pull it
04:34
over to his truck
04:36
so and the policeman said yeah mr wells
04:39
just pulled over there you know and so i
04:41
did
04:42
and uh when we got there i seen the
04:44
truck out on the bank of the
04:46
of the ditch there high centered and
04:48
then uh
04:50
and i asked the officers to take some
04:52
pictures he said no problem mr wells go
04:53
ahead and he started asking him
04:56
for paperwork and when i went to the
04:58
side of the truck to take a picture of
05:00
some woman stuck her head out there was
05:01
a woman in that truck
05:03
and uh she looked like she ain't combed
05:05
her hair for like two months i don't
05:06
know but
05:08
she just laid back down in there and
05:09
covered up but that kind of stuff
05:11
is constant in our area and uh
05:15
you know all kinds of stuff going on you
05:18
know i think
05:19
meth is becoming what always has been
05:22
it's
05:23
it's getting worse i guess it's it's a
05:26
serious problem
05:27
i guess it is everywhere but yeah
05:32
and now that was this small of the
05:34
morning
05:41
sorry that was that morning that morning you left for
05:43
work that that happened with the
05:44
four wheeler in that
05:46
yes yes
05:49
so the police were there june 15th
05:53
early in the morning then ? Yeah.
05:57
yeah they just showed up because
05:59
somebody else called the law.
06:03
wow well you already know what i'm
06:05
thinking but we can't say it on this so
06:08
wow interesting

Thanks for the transcript, MK !

I keep thinking the third version was in a different interview ; but maybe not ?

The last bolded bit is important, since DW says someone else called the law, as in, not someone from his household ?
Do LE have a record of a 911 call coming in early on June 15th ?
Inquiring minds here , want to know.

So, he's essentially saying another person saw the truck on June 15th early in the a.m. -- and ... called the police ?
Why would the neighbor (assuming it was a neighbor, as who else would it be if it wasn't himself or CB ?) think a random red truck was suspicious enough to call it in !
Was the red truck there before on a different day for no reason ?
What was going on at the Well's residence ?
Why ?
MOO.

 

[flashy09]

Thanks for the transcript, MK !

I keep thinking the third version was in a different interview ; but maybe not ?

The last bolded bit is important, since DW says someone else called the law, as in, not someone from his household ?
Do LE have a record of a 911 call coming in early on June 15th ?
Inquiring minds here , want to know.

So, he's essentially saying another person saw the truck on June 15th early in the a.m. -- and ... called the police ?
Why would the neighbor (assuming it was a neighbor, as who else would it be if it wasn't himself or CB ?) think a random red truck was suspicious enough to call it in !
Was the red truck there before on a different day for no reason ?
What was going on at the Well's residence ?
Why ?
MOO.

DW appears to have taken a picture of the truck for some reason...unless the bed head woman changed his mind. I am not quite clear if he did take it or not. That would clear up the dates! Also, if there was any suspicion of it being the same truck as the afternoon of the 15th, a picture would be so helpful.

04:50
and i asked the officers to take some
04:52
pictures he said no problem mr wells go
04:53
ahead and he started asking him
04:56
for paperwork and when i went to the
04:58
side of the truck to take a picture of
05:00
some woman stuck her head out there was
05:01
a woman in that truck
05:03
and uh she looked like she ain't combed
05:05
her hair for like two months

 

[flashy09]

Also, didn't DW say it was at 3 am the four wheeler was stuck, even though he was leaving for work? Which totally conflicts with his other version of when he left for work that morning. But I guess if now he is saying it was a totally different day....
How confusing this all is!

 

[killarney rose]

It’s very confusing. I can’t separate facts from speculation. There’s just so much to keep up with.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Thanks for the transcript, MK !

I keep thinking the third version was in a different interview ; but maybe not ?

The last bolded bit is important, since DW says someone else called the law, as in, not someone from his household ?
Do LE have a record of a 911 call coming in early on June 15th ?
Inquiring minds here , want to know.

So, he's essentially saying another person saw the truck on June 15th early in the a.m. -- and ... called the police ?
Why would the neighbor (assuming it was a neighbor, as who else would it be if it wasn't himself or CB ?) think a random red truck was suspicious enough to call it in !
Was the red truck there before on a different day for no reason ?
What was going on at the Well's residence ?
Why ?
MOO.

Why was he so chivalric, and helping the methy crazies before LE showed up? If they were such a dangerous problem, to him,and especially his children? Why not chase them off,or call LE himself? None of that makes any sense. MOO

 

[LietKynes]

DW appears to have taken a picture of the truck for some reason...unless the bed head woman changed his mind. I am not quite clear if he did take it or not. That would clear up the dates! Also, if there was any suspicion of it being the same truck as the afternoon of the 15th, a picture would be so helpful.

04:50
and i asked the officers to take some
04:52
pictures he said no problem mr wells go
04:53
ahead and he started asking him
04:56
for paperwork and when i went to the
04:58
side of the truck to take a picture of
05:00
some woman stuck her head out there was
05:01
a woman in that truck
05:03
and uh she looked like she ain't combed
05:05
her hair for like two months

DW's unflattering description of the woman sounds like he thought she was a meth head or transient ?
If he left for work around 5-6am give or take a half hour ... was it light enough to get a good look at the woman's hair style ?
Theory : Because unless he was close to the truck, he would've only noticed that there were two people in the cab.
Imo.

 

[December]

DW says a lot of things about red trucks. However, the TBI is looking for the driver of a certain red truck that is not the same one as the driveway one DW saw or the red truck found in another state without a tag that DW told DD (from church) about.

LE says they are still searching for THE red truck or really its driver.

There is more than one Walgreens in Kingsport. CB says she went to the one "all the way across town" which she says is "across the street" from Warriors Path. It's actually not across the street, but it is closer to the park than the Walgreens close to the hospital. Thus indicating the trip to WP was not spontaneous because otherwise why not just go to the Walgreens closer to the hospital?

I have never driven from Rogersville to the hospital in Kingsport, however she was driving at a time when there would have been more traffic because people are going to work. Idk if 30 minutes is what it would take, or at that time of day it would take longer or if that matters or not.

The absence of meals (or even snacks including the "snacks all parents always keep in their cars", except my parents and the parents of everyone i know and all my friends so i don't believe this, even though this is CH's car) is telling you that either big chunks of time are left out of the time line or that none of them ate that day for some reason. That's why some of us keep harping on this subject.

We cannot airily say, "that's irrelevant" because we don't know. Also, a time meals are usually eaten is included in the mysterious time between arrival home and SW going missing. The time of planting flowers, doing laundry, fixing knee braces, watching some TV, etc.

Something is off with the timeline. New people just tuning into the thread here's what we know: Summer is missing. From what we can tell we think she went missing June 15, 2021 from her home (and by "home," don't take that too literally she might have been in the house or outside).

 

[lonetraveler]

Here is the little we know about the beginning of the timeline:

Don told CM that on June 15th, he woke up @ 7 or 7:30 am --with Summer by his side, still asleep with her feet under his body.
Then we hear that Candus and Summer were with Grandma at the hospital by 8 am.

Yes, that! No way could this timeline work. Stinks.

 

[December]

The time DW gives upon awakening on 6/15 is very late considering he works construction. I get he sort of works for himself and all of that so maybe he can go in more or less when he wants as long as he gets his job done.

But, when he saw the driveway red truck (which is not the red truck) and participated in whatever was going on there he was up because he was getting ready for work and it was something like 3 a.m.

So, did DW actually plan on going to work on 6/15? People saw him at work, so he did go there that day. But, when he went to bed on 6/14 was he planning on going to work or doing something else that day?

He had fired his helper (or gotten him fired) so he had to work alone that day. Maybe 6/15 was going to be a day off for him that didn't work out because someone needed to be doing his job that day.

 

[Tiff23fr]

Mod Note:
Posts have been removed for referring to and/or discussing the photos of Summer from the lasted episode of TIR. As a reminder, discussion of the photos is not permitted on the threads. Chris M stated he was unsure if they are authentic or photo shopped.

Thanks,
Tiff

 

[MsMarple]

DW appears to have taken a picture of the truck for some reason...unless the bed head woman changed his mind. I am not quite clear if he did take it or not. That would clear up the dates! Also, if there was any suspicion of it being the same truck as the afternoon of the 15th, a picture would be so helpful.

04:50
and i asked the officers to take some
04:52
pictures he said no problem mr wells go
04:53
ahead and he started asking him
04:56
for paperwork and when i went to the
04:58
side of the truck to take a picture of
05:00
some woman stuck her head out there was
05:01
a woman in that truck
05:03
and uh she looked like she ain't combed
05:05
her hair for like two months

Yes, it's incredibly frustrating that DW tends to make statements that he frequently fails to follow up on to the conclusion. (Paraphrasing) - Can I take a picture? Go ahead Mr. Wells. Did he take that picture or not? He never says.

Is this some sort of protective measure to avoid telling something he doesn't want people to know? I'm a little tired of pretending his word salad is just some country boy mannerism and am starting to consider DW's just covering stuff up. MOO of course.

 

[December]

All right, i am not making any accusations here, but...

I used to have this friend who would call at night (not super late, just night). The conversations always started off pleasantly. We'd talk about various topics. But, then it would get hard to follow and sort of strange (the way she was speaking and she was not uneducated). Sometimes she would get mad at me, but mostly subtly telling me my various faults.

Well, i found out she was drinking during the entire conversation. And i did ask her about some of the things she said which she claimed she couldn't even remember. But, she said it was probably my fault anyway because reasons. So, we're not friends any more since a long time ago.

I haven't listened to DW's phone calls to CM except for bits and pieces, but i had forgotten about this girl who did that to me until I started reading about his conversational style.

Now, unlike DW, this girl hadn't been to prison. So, his way of speaking might also be related to that.

 

[SMK777]

All right, i am not making any accusations here, but...

I used to have this friend who would call at night (not super late, just night). The conversations always started off pleasantly. We'd talk about various topics. But, then it would get hard to follow and sort of strange (the way she was speaking and she was not uneducated). Sometimes she would get mad at me, but mostly subtly telling me my various faults.

Well, i found out she was drinking during the entire conversation. And i did ask her about some of the things she said which she claimed she couldn't even remember. But, she said it was probably my fault anyway because reasons. So, we're not friends any more since a long time ago.

I haven't listened to DW's phone calls to CM except for bits and pieces, but i had forgotten about this girl who did that to me until I started reading about his conversational style.

Now, unlike DW, this girl hadn't been to prison. So, his way of speaking might also be related to that.

I had a friend like that, too. After saying quite insulting and accusatory things to me, she would wave it away by saying she’d been drinking wine. But I always wondered why that would be an excuse? But yes Don’s drinking and perhaps prison background could play a role in his ramblings, I suppose.

 

[LeeJay55]

I think.DW would talk about anything they throw at him!

Jmo

 

[carbuff]

All right, i am not making any accusations here, but...

I used to have this friend who would call at night (not super late, just night). The conversations always started off pleasantly. We'd talk about various topics. But, then it would get hard to follow and sort of strange (the way she was speaking and she was not uneducated). Sometimes she would get mad at me, but mostly subtly telling me my various faults.

Well, i found out she was drinking during the entire conversation. And i did ask her about some of the things she said which she claimed she couldn't even remember. But, she said it was probably my fault anyway because reasons. So, we're not friends any more since a long time ago.

I haven't listened to DW's phone calls to CM except for bits and pieces, but i had forgotten about this girl who did that to me until I started reading about his conversational style.

Now, unlike DW, this girl hadn't been to prison. So, his way of speaking might also be related to that.

I had a friend like that too. Except she did call me in the middle of the night, completely unaware she had woken me up, and say she was in crisis and had to talk, but then she'd want to talk about, like, makeup and dresses. Sometimes she was drinking but sometimes she was just that out of touch.

I hadn't noticed it before but you're right, DW does sound very similar to that kind of rambling. Note I'm not saying he's drinking. Just that there are people who talk like that.

 

[LietKynes]

I had a friend like that, too. After saying quite insulting and accusatory things to me, she would wave it away by saying she’d been drinking wine. But I always wondered why that would be an excuse? But yes Don’s drinking and perhaps prison background could play a role in his ramblings, I suppose.

bbm
Ita.
Hardened criminals usually pick up a few tricks and tips during their time in the 'big house'.
And they're no novices at deflection.
Imo.

 

[December]

I had a friend like that, too. After saying quite insulting and accusatory things to me, she would wave it away by saying she’d been drinking wine. But I always wondered why that would be an excuse? But yes Don’s drinking and perhaps prison background could play a role in his ramblings, I suppose.

I am sorry that happened to you.

Idk that this is why DW does these things, but i guess because of what i pick up from his conversational stylings i am not willing to listen to much of his phone calls. Because who knows what is going on in his mind or why he's saying these things?

Also, he is under real stress right now which may make him want to sort of talk around things. So, i am not sure how much of his ramblings we can trust especially the longer he has to drag his memory back to get to relevant information.

Is DW still talking to Mr. & Mrs. Cher on their channel?

 

[2.curious]

All right, i am not making any accusations here, but...

I used to have this friend who would call at night (not super late, just night). The conversations always started off pleasantly. We'd talk about various topics. But, then it would get hard to follow and sort of strange (the way she was speaking and she was not uneducated). Sometimes she would get mad at me, but mostly subtly telling me my various faults.

Well, i found out she was drinking during the entire conversation. And i did ask her about some of the things she said which she claimed she couldn't even remember. But, she said it was probably my fault anyway because reasons. So, we're not friends any more since a long time ago.

I haven't listened to DW's phone calls to CM except for bits and pieces, but i had forgotten about this girl who did that to me until I started reading about his conversational style.

Now, unlike DW, this girl hadn't been to prison. So, his way of speaking might also be related to that.

I noticed on one of DW's phone interviews that he seemed to be drinking. I am saying seemed, not that he was.

It was a phone interview with CM, about half way through I noticed a change in his speech and he was talking more and giving information not asked about. From his tone I wondered to myself if he was drinking. I have never said anything about this before. We couldn't see what he was doing. Also I don't want to accuse him because I DON"T KNOW.

This isn't the exact interview but it is noticeable to me. He's speech seems to slow down and his mind wonders from one thing to another.
Maybe he is tired, I don't know. I have been around people under the influence of alcohol, you notice a change.

(475) Don Wells' phone conversation with The Interview Room with Chris McDonough - YouTube

I will try to find the earlier interview where I first noticed.

moo