AMBER ALERT TN - Summer Moon-Utah Wells, 5, Rogersville, 15 Jun 2021 #30

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  • #561
Someone said their grandmother remarked about SW's jacket being zipped all the way up.

These clothes were put on SW after swimming because that made her cold. However, we're told before the picture was taken, some time had passed. At least the stop at the grocery store and dropping off H. She was close to home.

But, she's still all zipped up. It's 80 degrees and we have been told how energetic SW was. I think that is another thing that seems off.

This being said, she is sitting right in the middle of the backseat. If CH had her window down about as we see CB's window down, then the airflow would have cooled her down enough perhaps that she was comfortable.

The milks could not have been cold any longer, but perhaps could have provided some cooling effect.

I guess i keep hoping for some clue from the picture.

Hide and seek... If we can't know the exact details of this game on 6/15, then i would wonder if this is a game that the children played regularly.

Okay, so i had child psychology, and there is an age where little kids like to hide (whether playing hide and seek or not). I think SW is about the right age. For example, her brother who is 9, is old enough to know that if you're not officially playing the game it's kind of boring and pointless. But, SW at only 5 especially in an environment where everyone else is older than her, might have been"found" times when the person didn't know she was trying to play. This may be why DW said they were trying to teach her to stay out of the woods.

But, SW might have been hiding (whether the children were playing or not) and gotten into trouble somehow such as going too far into the woods or going too close to the road (and running into someone).
 
  • #562
Thank you for all you've done. Truly, thank you so much. It is so much better, more helpful and more productive than people who sit at their keyboard and/or the YouTubers who slam the parents over and over. None of that helps Summer. Or LE. Or her parents. Or her brothers. I cringe every time I see that just thinking of how, one day, the brothers (and possibly Summer) will read/see all that. YIKES!!!:(
SBM
Thats where the divide comes in.
I can not see where anybody has done anything to harm those boys online.

Nobody is putting words in CW and DW's mouths or forcing them to video themselves under substance abuse.

Them showing us who they are....is nothing knew to those kids.
They lived with it.

I cringe everytime DW makes an interview but its not because of what anyone online is doing.

It can't be swept under the carpet and pretended that this is a wholesome family living their best life.
That IMO is the saddest element to this case , misplacing the chronic suffering of these kids.

A little girl is dead and her parents have done everything in their power to blur the picture.


For example...
Why would DW video on a live stream CW so stoned in her chair she is dribbling and unable to speak or move.
Nobody asked him to.

There is the real instigator of the mountains of fodder released.

moo
 
  • #563
There are currently two cases getting lots of media attention: 1) Murdaugh Murders, and 2) Gabby Petito disappearance. Summer's disappearance has faded into the background. I'm beginning to think MSM won't touch Summer's disappearance with a ten-foot pole and I wonder why. It certainly is sensational enough for national interest.
Because, at this point, it is doubtful that people are going to see SW. She is either going to need to be found by searchers or LE is going to have to solve the case (these aren't mutually exclusive, but at least one has to happen).

This case is messy. And LE has released almost nothing. Even the stations in the area are having to reuse interviews to create any type of "update".
 
  • #564
DW was specifically asked in the interview with Mrs. Cher if SW had been feeling unwell. He said she had not been and that he didn't know where that came from. Of course, he was not with her every minute, so....

I agree it is possible being in the horse pond was an unhealthy experience. The water level of that thing will vary. All that matters to this is the depth on 6/15 which we can get some idea of from the video, comparing it to her height. It is possible that someone has a better idea of exactly what was going on with it. It is controlled by TVA.

But, LE seems to think SW went missing from the Wells'property. All the searches are near it.

They used to make over the counter medication that had a coating that tasted good. Not candy good, but good enough to make them easier to swallow. I have not encountered this in longer than SW has been alive. So, i am doubtful SW could have been given any medication that tasted like candy. Even back when they made these, they didn't smell like candy.

Also Sudafed does not cause drowsiness. https://www.rxlist.com/sudafed-side-effects-drug-center.htm

What does cause drowsiness is Benedryl, an antihistamine. It is probably more common than Sudafed, but it doesn't taste like candy although it is often pink.

However, unless someone was going to put SW in a duffle bag or something (temporarily), they would probably do better to lure her away than drug her because she is only five and therefore probably not that difficult to trick. They could just tell her that her daddy is down by the mailbox with a surprise. As soon as she figures out that he is not, grab her. Just speculate on how someone could do this.

I believe if any random person had been on the property actually talking to CB and CH they would have said something. It doesn't take an elaborate ruse to understand how CB and CH did not see SW possibly leave.

Line of sight is blocked on that property by various things they have in their yard. Also it is possible CB and CH went into the camper for a few minutes.

Putting Summer to sleep would be an easy way to separate her from her mother. Children's Benedryl tastes like cherries and it can have a sedative effect. One of our children had severe allergies when he was little and we had to be very careful about his dosage. We also had to keep it in a safe place because he liked the taste.

Just google children's Benedryl and daycare centers and you will find multiple cases of children being overdosed and cases prosecuted. JMO
 
  • #565
check out your kids asleep in the car.

chins down. every time
I just did a google search for images of 'Children sleeping in car'

It doesn't happen every time. There are plenty of images with children sleeping who didn't have their chins down.
 
  • #566
I just did a google search for images of 'Children sleeping in car'

It doesn't happen every time. There are plenty of images with children sleeping who didn't have their chins down.
I did, too.. some of the children looked like they were pretending to be asleep for the picture. But, maybe i got a lot of stock photos.
 
  • #567
Putting Summer to sleep would be an easy way to separate her from her mother. Children's Benedryl tastes like cherries and it can have a sedative effect. One of our children had severe allergies when he was little and we had to be very careful about his dosage. We also had to keep it in a safe place because he liked the taste.

Just google children's Benedryl and daycare centers and you will find multiple cases of children being overdosed and cases prosecuted. JMO
I honestly didn't know children liked the taste.

Yeah... I have heard about what people do with this stuff.

Maybe that is why people wanted Mrs. Cher to ask DW if SW was sick. Eta... He said she was not.
 
  • #568
He may have got that information from the youtube channel called "The Behavior Panel". They did a body language show on DW and CB interview on June 30, 2021. One of the panelist mentions she may have Bell's palsy or a stroke because of her facial movements/non-movements if I recall correctly.

I wondered about this when I saw CW and DW in their first interview. I've had a stroke and am very tuned into the signs.
 
  • #569
I just did a google search for images of 'Children sleeping in car'

It doesn't happen every time. There are plenty of images with children sleeping who didn't have their chins down.

Dead, alive, asleep, awake (all are debatable) ... what appears to be the state of her consciousness is what is important in this picture in my opinion.
 
  • #570
I don't think it was Sudafed at all. Still want to know what the exact timeline is,and what happened to the 3 Skittle flavored vapes CW Stated she had out on the console of GH's truck they were tooling around in. It seriously is not that difficult to keep track of three vapes. Yet CW can't tell if someone else got one or not. Those two things are very important,but as of yet are unaccounted for. MOO
I fear your quest to find the missing vape is going to drive you insane :confused:.
 
  • #571
How do you know it's not? Why would you think so?
Well that is the big question ? Is it or not ?
Nobody ever talked about it - so I believe it is not! Tell me otherwise !
 
  • #572
I just saw this thread and looked up some basic information on the case. I have not read through 29 threads so this might have been answered: Have the boys been returned to the home? This is a huge red flag though it could have been done as standard procedure since both parents have rap sheets. Does anyone know if they're back? I'm also surprised they do not have any information to add unless they were intentionally distracted from the event.
 
  • #573
I fear your quest to find the missing vape is going to drive you insane :confused:.

haha!

I know nothing about vapes, but have a question.

Do you use a vape once and then throw it out? or are they refillable? or what.

(too lazy to look this up)
 
  • #574
I just saw this thread and looked up some basic information on the case. I have not read through 29 threads so this might have been answered: Have the boys been returned to the home? This is a huge red flag though it could have been done as standard procedure since both parents have rap sheets. Does anyone know if they're back? I'm also surprised they do not have any information to add unless they were intentionally distracted from the event.

not to my knowledge.
 
  • #575
haha!

I know nothing about vapes, but have a question.

Do you use a vape once and then throw it out? or are they refillable? or what.

(too lazy to look this up)
You can get both kinds. There are sooo many available now. Mods, pods, tanks, coils etc. It's a bit of a minefield!

I'm guessing the ones they had that day were disposable.
 
  • #576
I just saw this thread and looked up some basic information on the case. I have not read through 29 threads so this might have been answered: Have the boys been returned to the home? This is a huge red flag though it could have been done as standard procedure since both parents have rap sheets. Does anyone know if they're back? I'm also surprised they do not have any information to add unless they were intentionally distracted from the event.

The boys have not been returned. They have been questioned by LE, and have IMO probably provided important information -- but that information will never be made public (and IMO should not be made public.)
 
  • #577
I just saw this thread and looked up some basic information on the case. I have not read through 29 threads so this might have been answered: Have the boys been returned to the home? This is a huge red flag though it could have been done as standard procedure since both parents have rap sheets. Does anyone know if they're back? I'm also surprised they do not have any information to add unless they were intentionally distracted from the event.

I don’t think it is a “huge red flag” - once a child is removed, they aren’t returned that quickly. It’s a process - parenting classes, visits, etc. Courts are still slow due to covid. If the boys were able to be returned the next day, CPS wouldn’t have taken them in the first place. Maybe someone with a social work background could chime in.

We also don’t know anything about their interviews with LE. I believe they have very valuable information.

JMO.
 
  • #578
She very very likely got disposable vapes (different prices for different amount of liquid inside)
But it’s pretty impossible to pop open a disposable vape, and even if Summer did get into one it would likely just give her a day of stomach discomfort.. Moo though!
 
  • #579
I don’t think it is a “huge red flag” - once a child is removed, they aren’t returned that quickly. It’s a process - parenting classes, visits, etc. Courts are still slow due to covid. If the boys were able to be returned the next day, CPS wouldn’t have taken them in the first place. Maybe someone with a social work background could chime in.

We also don’t know anything about their interviews with LE. I believe they have very valuable information.

JMO.
I don’t know if US CPS is similar, but here in Aus, if there are any allegations of SA then the children won’t be returned until those allegations are completely investigated …. IF found guilty the children will not go back home over here….they will be permanently placed in care.

Those allegations came out after the boys were already removed by CPS … remember CM’s interview with CW …. The children had already been removed from the home..
CPS may have removed them for other reasons, eg neglect, or they already knew about the SA allegations, before they became public.

In my honest opinion, I feel like DW and CW have already been told that the likelihood of having the children back is very slim, and hence some of the continued behaviour we have witnessed by DW and CW, on camera….

JMO

ETA It is a very sad situation all round, and I sincerely hope that Summer’s case is able to stay in the media, with all of the other high profile cases, until she is found….
 
  • #580
No
I fear your quest to find the missing vape is going to drive you insane :confused:.
No. I'm just persistent. I turn over each stone as long as is needed. For an innocent five year child who most of all needs no stone left unturned. I also would like to see an actual timeline. I'm confident the answers will be reavealed one way or the other. MOO
 
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