AMBER ALERT TN - Summer Moon-Utah Wells, 5, Rogersville, 15 Jun 2021 #33

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I can't help but wonder if one of DW's coworkers drive a red Toyota truck with ladder racks and buckets in the back. Could this truck driver have given DW a ride back to his home for some reason?
 
  • #962
Questions and Answers from the 6/15 news conference -
Most all of this has been discussed already on here. Sometimes we just need it from officials in writing.


From TBI Newsroom
 
  • #963
New post on the Wells website:

--- The Summer Wells ACT of Privacy for Amber Alert Victims and Families ---

 
  • #964
New post on the Wells website:

--- The Summer Wells ACT of Privacy for Amber Alert Victims and Families ---

I'd like to view their definition of "ALL forms of harassment." On its face, it seems like a good thing. Depending upon the definition of "ALL forms of harassment", it could be a slippery slope. MOO
 
  • #965
I'd like to view their definition of "ALL forms of harassment." On its face, it seems like a good thing. Depending upon the definition of "ALL forms of harassment", it could be a slippery slope. MOO
Exactly.
I wonder if the Wells, their attorney, or Representative Harshberger reviewed the current laws on recording conversations, at either the state or federal level.
Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-13-601; Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-13-604; Tenn. Code Ann. § 40-6-303
"It is not unlawful for an individual who is a party to or has consent from a party of an inperson or electronic communication to record and or disclose the content of said communication unless the person is doing so for the purpose of committing a tortious or criminal act. An individual may also disclose the content of any electronic communication that is readily accessible to the general public."
18 USC § 2511(2)(d) Electronic Communications Privacy Act
“It shall not be unlawful under this chapter for a person not acting under color of law to intercept a wire, oral, or electronic communication where such person is a party to the communication or where one of the parties to the communication has given prior consent to such interception unless such communication is intercepted to commit any criminal or tortious act in violation of the Constitution or laws of the U.S. or of any State.”
 
  • #966
Exactly.
I wonder if the Wells, their attorney, or Representative Harshberger reviewed the current laws on recording conversations, at either the state or federal level.
Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-13-601; Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-13-604; Tenn. Code Ann. § 40-6-303
"It is not unlawful for an individual who is a party to or has consent from a party of an inperson or electronic communication to record and or disclose the content of said communication unless the person is doing so for the purpose of committing a tortious or criminal act. An individual may also disclose the content of any electronic communication that is readily accessible to the general public."
18 USC § 2511(2)(d) Electronic Communications Privacy Act
“It shall not be unlawful under this chapter for a person not acting under color of law to intercept a wire, oral, or electronic communication where such person is a party to the communication or where one of the parties to the communication has given prior consent to such interception unless such communication is intercepted to commit any criminal or tortious act in violation of the Constitution or laws of the U.S. or of any State.”

That's the problem when we have to resort to laws to dictate what should be already existing (but often isn't!) human decency, consideration, compassion, and a healthy dose of mind your own... The law can be so broad that the baby gets thrown out with the bathwater, and what previously wasn't criminal behavior gets tangled up in the too broad definition.
 
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Exactly.
I wonder if the Wells, their attorney, or Representative Harshberger reviewed the current laws on recording conversations, at either the state or federal level.
Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-13-601; Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-13-604; Tenn. Code Ann. § 40-6-303
"It is not unlawful for an individual who is a party to or has consent from a party of an inperson or electronic communication to record and or disclose the content of said communication unless the person is doing so for the purpose of committing a tortious or criminal act. An individual may also disclose the content of any electronic communication that is readily accessible to the general public."
18 USC § 2511(2)(d) Electronic Communications Privacy Act
“It shall not be unlawful under this chapter for a person not acting under color of law to intercept a wire, oral, or electronic communication where such person is a party to the communication or where one of the parties to the communication has given prior consent to such interception unless such communication is intercepted to commit any criminal or tortious act in violation of the Constitution or laws of the U.S. or of any State.”
And for what it’s worth Utah is also a one party consent state.

IMO such a law wouldn’t have stopped the parents from speaking out. IMO this is about a few embarrassing communications which have nothing to do with protecting parents of missing children. The best protection IMO is to stop calling in to YT livestreams and making prank calls for fun.

Laws should be enacted for the good of all, not individuals who regret their past actions. All MOO
 
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And for what it’s worth Utah is also a one party consent state.

IMO such a law wouldn’t have stopped the parents from speaking out. IMO this is about a few embarrassing communications which have nothing to do with protecting parents of missing children. The best protection IMO is to stop calling in to YT livestreams and making prank calls for fun.

Laws should be enacted for the good of all, not individuals who regret their past actions. All MOO
Right. I'm not sure that the parents understand that by participating in calls and videos, they render their argument and legislative requests moot. The documented behavior and history of the parents has not included much if any outright concern for anyone other than themselves and periodically their missing child. The drama was an enormous distraction. I have wondered if that having lessened considerably in the last few months has allowed LE to make headway. moo
 
  • #969
I'm curious about where the dogs began their tracking. IOW where did they pick up Summer's scent? For example, did they start from the basement? The yard? Grandmother's truck?

Maybe @Oriah could let us know if that makes any sense? TIA!
Hi MsMarple,
That not only makes sense, but it's an excellent question which I sorely wish I could answer, but I can't.
The K9 aspect of this case seems to be like practically every other aspect of Summer's disappearance. Murky.
By all initial reports, there were so many individuals on and around the property that night and next days that I cannot imagine they had solid success with any type of tracking or trailing K9.
If Summer was possibly damp and sitting on a pillow or towel or whatever in Gma's truck that afternoon...then that would have been an excellent source of scent for K9s to work off of. So personally I would have gone from there as a scent article and then from the basement initially, because that was the information given as last seen.
Somehow, I don't think that's what happened but that's just my gut feeling. I've no evidence whatsoever regarding what they did or did not scent the dog(s) off of. Or what K9s they utilized initially. So we are in the dark, I think, as to whether or not any of the K9 info is valuable.
I'm sorry to not be more helpful.
It's a great question.
 
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Today, the rescue squad’s board of directors met to address the future of the reward fund.


 
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June 15 made 1 year that summer wells went missing. As of now there is no poi. But the public opinion points blame at the parents but that is always case ,but
I think that truth is not far away. During the interview with the 2 Interrogators the body language tells a lot.they know more than what the are letting on.I’m not saying that they did it but they might know who did.
 
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June 15 made 1 year that summer wells went missing. As of now there is no poi. But the public opinion points blame at the parents but that is always case ,but
I think that truth is not far away. During the interview with the 2 Interrogators the body language tells a lot.they know more than what the are letting on.I’m not saying that they did it but they might know who did.
This will be the most Occam's razor case of all time.

They failed to supervise/pay attention / an accident happened.

Either she wandered off randomly into the woods which I highly doubt (because of nothing found by now, animal attacks are very rare, and that everyone in the area knowing it very well and searching for over a year now) or she was fatally wounded by just being a kid in the middle of nowhere and they hid the body to not face prosecution.

 No one came up into them in the middle of the day, in the middle of nowhere,, drove up onto properties during the day where everybody knows everybody, and snagged her and drove off.
 
  • #975
This will be the most Occam's razor case of all time.

They failed to supervise/pay attention / an accident happened.

Either she wandered off randomly into the woods which I highly doubt (because of nothing found by now, animal attacks are very rare, and that everyone in the area knowing it very well and searching for over a year now) or she was fatally wounded by just being a kid in the middle of nowhere and they hid the body to not face prosecution.

 No one came up into them in the middle of the day, in the middle of nowhere,, drove up onto properties during the day where everybody knows everybody, and snagged her and drove off.
I like your pragmatic approach. Everything else is noise.

Amateur opinion and speculation
 
  • #976
The only way I can see an abduction happening is if it was someone who knew the family and knew she would more than likely be unsupervised.


Something occurred to me the other day. No one seemed to believe that Candus watched Summer go into the house as I recall. However there is one good reason why she would watch her until she went inside. If Summer was acting up and as punishment she was made to go inside, go to her room, whatever. Then it would make sense that Candus would watch to make sure that's what she did. And if she did get in trouble, she might have been angry about it. Maybe she went inside, down to the basement and out the back door because she was mad at Candus. Maybe she thought, "I'll show you." And took off down the dog trail and out into the holler.
 
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The only way I can see an abduction happening is if it was someone who knew the family and knew she would more than likely be unsupervised.


Something occurred to me the other day. No one seemed to believe that Candus watched Summer go into the house as I recall. However there is one good reason why she would watch her until she went inside. If Summer was acting up and as punishment she was made to go inside, go to her room, whatever. Then it would make sense that Candus would watch to make sure that's what she did. And if she did get in trouble, she might have been angry about it. Maybe she went inside, down to the basement and out the back door because she was mad at Candus. Maybe she thought, "I'll show you." And took off down the dog trail and out into the holler.

That is plausible.
 
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The only way I can see an abduction happening is if it was someone who knew the family and knew she would more than likely be unsupervised.


Something occurred to me the other day. No one seemed to believe that Candus watched Summer go into the house as I recall. However there is one good reason why she would watch her until she went inside. If Summer was acting up and as punishment she was made to go inside, go to her room, whatever. Then it would make sense that Candus would watch to make sure that's what she did. And if she did get in trouble, she might have been angry about it. Maybe she went inside, down to the basement and out the back door because she was mad at Candus. Maybe she thought, "I'll show you." And took off down the dog trail and out into the holler.
What would their reasoning be for telling a whole other story if that was the case?

I imagine that story would work more in their favour, rather than just "Summer wanted to go inside and play with the boys".
 
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The only way I can see an abduction happening is if it was someone who knew the family and knew she would more than likely be unsupervised.


Something occurred to me the other day. No one seemed to believe that Candus watched Summer go into the house as I recall. However there is one good reason why she would watch her until she went inside. If Summer was acting up and as punishment she was made to go inside, go to her room, whatever. Then it would make sense that Candus would watch to make sure that's what she did. And if she did get in trouble, she might have been angry about it. Maybe she went inside, down to the basement and out the back door because she was mad at Candus. Maybe she thought, "I'll show you." And took off down the dog trail and out into the holler.
From the interviews and press releases that law enforcement has provided, it seems—reading between the lines, so to speak—that their leading theory is that Summer wandered away. Even if LE believes that, they might not be correct.
I still lean heavily towards a non-family abduction in which Summer was targeted in advance, probably by someone who was familiar with the property, although someone who had followed Summer home from the beach or the store might have been able to familiarize himself with the property fairly quickly. There were also tree trimmers on and near the property that day, and I am certainly not prepared to clear them.
I don't think Summer could have wandered away unless the five–ten minute window mentioned by Candace was way off. I also don't think that Summer would have wandered away unless she had a destination in mind or if something about her interaction with her brothers set her off.
 
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What would their reasoning be for telling a whole other story if that was the case?

I imagine that story would work more in their favour, rather than just "Summer wanted to go inside and play with the boys".
Candus has had dealings with CPS her whole life. It makes sense to me that she would try to sugarcoat the situation.
 
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