To all who believe Caylee is ALIVE, explain this?

[elitenls]

Ok, I've read through the thread. And have made 2 pages of notes. I'll try to not re-state them all here.

Air evidence not proof - DNA was once a new procedure. When air sampling evidence is admitted into court, it will no doubt be treated the same way DNA evidence once was. The issue will be appealed all the way to the US Supreme Court for a final determination on its admissibility. And given the fact that it's a well-established, reputable facility that has done the testing, IMO, it will be ultimately be ruled a new test for use in criminal cases. IIRC, that's called establishing a precedent.

What we have and haven't 'seen' or 'read' - Just because we haven't had another 400+ page document dump doesn't mean LE is not working. I am among those who believe that LE is doing an extraordinarily good job. Investigating. Acting on credible leads. Interview. Forensics testing. Etc. This is on ongoing investigation, not an investigation based on charges that have been filed. IMO, the charges will come, but not until LE has finished their work to the best of their abilities. IMO we will not, and should not see any of that until charges have been placed.

Now, about proof. Prefaced by IMO: There will be no proof either way (unless, of course, KC has an attack of conscience and confesses all) until:
1) LE's investigation is complete.
2) Either the DA files charges or a grand jury direct indicts.
3) The case is tried.
4) A verdict is rendered.
5) The case goes through all of the appellate processes.
Then, IMO, then, and only then, will it be proof. But even after that whole process, there will still be naysayers out there crying "the evidence wa tainted," "LE didn't treat her fair," "it was a conspiracy." Sad. So sad.

A very smart attorney I know and respect told me one time: The courts don't guarantee justice. They guarantee a chance at justice. It's not a flawless system, but it's the best we have.

I am, sadly, in the 1% category. I believe Caylee is no longer with us. I don't know the child or the family or any of the players. Nonetheless, this whole thing devastates me.

I :heart: YOU! :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:

 

[Brini]

That's your choice, which is perfectly fine and justified. Wouldn't hold up in court though -- so, it's still heresay, and thusly, not fact. I don't know why I have to say the same thing over and over again. You guys keep proving my point over and over again.

There's no facts that say she is alive, or dead. Just missing.

*sigh* I grow weary of this argument, there is no intellectual stimuli.

Then, whose body was KC driving around in her car? And, how did a death band get into a hair bearing the DNA of CE, CE's mom, KC, or Caylee.

I take it you do not believe the FBI evidence is genuine? It's certainly been used to convict a TON of OTHER people!

Or, is there a two-level government plot to bring down KC?

 

[suspicious mind]

That's another rumor that has been passed around so much that some people take it as a fact, (a) that Casey has been a "liar" all her life and (b) that this is because the Anthonys never held her accountable. These are parents who possibly were having her pay them rent while she lived there with her baby. There is no evidence that they were too permissive or that they were too easy on her. People are only assuming this could be true, creating a picture in their own mind to explain all the unanswered questions. Just speculation. Actually, habitual lying or compulsive lying sometimes develops in children who grow up with constant fear of punishment, quite the opposite.

Where are you getting all of the information you are postig, as far as what is rumor and what is not? How do you know? How do you know it's a rumor she has been lying all her life? Have u known her all your life? Talk about "making assumptions". How do you know the Anthony's did or didnot hold her accountable? You seem to have a lot of excuses for kc but little reasoning behind why you believe Caylee is alive?

 

[Brini]

From what LE/FBI has released, they do have evidence- for starters, the death band DNA on the hair strand found in Casey's trunk that has to belong to Caylee, the air samples in the trunk, the cadaver dogs hits, and the Chloroform in her trunk, the Chloroform searches on the laptop,and her own mother calling 911 hysterical and reporting a decomp smell in her car! LE didn't even have to release this much of their case to the general public.

I believe LE over a proven liar like Casey Anthony!

Well, let's put it this way-- every court in the country would consider what LE got together as serious evidence that is conviction-worthy.

Then, there are a few KC apologists who disagree. Maybe they think they have to have seen her do it? Maybe, if they saw her do it, they would also make excuses for that.

 

[Ezryder9]

Regarding Casey's "lying", would you really call the things she told police "lies".

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I would because, IIRC, in the 400+ pages and specifically in her interview with YM, she says she lied. It's her statement. But wait, the fact that she says that could be a lie, too.

 

[Katie526]

Whose was the body Casey had in her trunk?

I have no idea. Do you?

 

[Brini]

I see more of a motive for her to hide Caylee and start a new life away from her parents then I do with the idea of her killing her. Casey did not need to kill Caylee to continue doing what she was doing (partying & whatever). She had been doing these things all along, it sounds to me like Caylee went most places with her even to parties. And she was loved and accepted by all Casey's friends.

She has plenty of motive to lie if see accidently gave her too much sedative, or left her in a hot car, and she died.

Casey is scared for Casey. She is coming entirely from a position of protecting Casey, and her only interest is Casey.

 

[zadari]

Where are you getting all of the information you are postig, as far as what is rumor and what is not? How do you know? How do you know it's a rumor she has been lying all her life? Have u known her all your life? Talk about "making assumptions". How do you know the Anthony's did or didnot hold her accountable? You seem to have a lot of excuses for kc but little reasoning behind why you believe Caylee is alive?

not bashing you .. using your quote as an example of what i am trying to say.. this is also working in the other direction ...the ones saying she is guilty ,there are plenty of people all over the world saying all kinds of things about her that dont know her either... that act like they know her and can profile her and explain her actions ..and if she does know casey she doesnt owe us an explanation .

 

[Brini]

Those reports won't be released until Casey is in custody and the murder charges have been filed. Just be patient. The prosecutors have to turn over all their evidence to the defense in the discovery phase of the trial. Just because you- the general public hasn't viewed it yet, doesn't mean it doesn't exist!

My guess is that even after the evidence is revealed in court, a few of the apologists will keep on making excuses for KC.

 

[LinasK]

None of "know" if Caylee is dead or alive. What we all do know is that Caylee is missing. We all have an "opinion" not knowledge of what happened to Caylee. Until we have evidence for ex:her remains or dna proven hair strand of Caylee's with death band then we should not shut our eyes to different theories. The FBI or LE may already have this information but I haven't seen it as an official statement by them: "Caylee is dead!" They word their statements where they believe this may be the case or there is some indication....they have not themselves said it is fact. We know this is a common practice to put pressure on the accused to speak or make a deal etc... Like it or not there is a game going on between Team LE/FBI and Team Baez/Casey.
We do have cases where LE and public opinion have been wrong. I again bring up Jon Bonet, working theory.. parents did it. How many of us were glued to the TV as Shawn Hornbeck walked through the door. Common sense based on kidnapping cases is that the child is dead w/in 48 hours. I am sure friends and neighbors thought Shawns parents were in "denial" not giving up hope for their son.

If we have people searching out the theory that Caylee is deceased and others working on the theory she is alive then I see that as a positive...All bases covered! Miracles sometimes do happen! JMHO

Umm, I wouldn't go there with the Ramsey's comparison, they have by no means been exhonorated and an intruder proved. The apology by Mary Beth Lacey was politically motivated. Tricia, owner of WS believes this also. Go check JB's forum for more information.

P.S. Casey knows exactly what happened to Caylee, she didn't just misplace her, and I think her family knows too...

 

[SewingDeb]

If so, we have corrupt LE from TWO counties (the dogs were from different counties), the feds are corrupt, or ALL their testing is invalid, we have a nanny whom no one has every met, or even seen, and whose phone calls evaporate RIGHT out of the phone records. Said magic nanny is stealing kids and handing out 30 day scripts that no one can produce, and that require a lot of clubbing, some pole-dancing, and entering a Hot Body contest.

How likely is all that?

Not only that, the Zanny the Invisible Nanny appears to ONLY have been visible to a woman who has a lifelong history of pathological lying.

My guess is that some apologists, if presented with all of the copies of all of the evidence would say, "But, I didn't SEE her kill Caylee!"

Yep and some who think that way may actually end up on a jury. Scary thought.

 

[elitenls]

Then, whose body was in KCs trunk? And, how did a death band get into a A female hair?

No clue. There's no proof there was one. I've already said this to you like three times.

READ MY POSTS. DON'T SKIM, READ THEM. UNDERSTAND THEM. THEN MAYBE YOU'LL HAVE A CLUE AND STOP POSTING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER SO I HAVE TO KEEP JUSTIFYING WHAT I'M SAYING OVER AND OVER.

Respectfully, I read all of yours. The same courtesy would be nice. Thank you.

 

[Brini]

I am not saying that there is a conspiracy (I don't think there is) but prosecutors do need to solve cases and get someone locked up. Their success depends on it. Look at the Jon Bonet Ramsey case. They locked in on the parents and formed the evidence around them. Years later they say, "oops were sorry!" Had they been equally focused outwardly, considered that there was another explanation then they might have been able to solve the case.

I agree that most of the signs point to Casey, but maybe there is a different explanation. We don't know what we don't know, which is a lot!

JMHO

Sure! A LOT of nannys are invisible, and don't show up on phone records, for years at a time!

And, don't you just HATE it when strangers dump dead bodies and cholorform into your trunk? I irks me every, single time it happens to me!

And, whenever I'm terrified or grieving, I ALWAYS get a yen to sleep with a bunch of guys, go clubbing, slide up and down stripper poles, rip off my best friends, and enter Hot Body contests!

Of COURSE there's another explanation!

 

[AutomaticAuttie]

She has plenty of motive to lie if see accidently gave her too much sedative, or left her in a hot car, and she died.

Casey is scared for Casey. She is coming entirely from a position of protecting Casey, and her only interest is Casey.

Did she ever show a pattern for giving Caylee any kind of sedative. I mean did anyone ever say "I use to see Casey give Caylee meds to make her fall a sleep"? What do you base your ideas on?

 

[suspicious mind]

So, the cops are lying, and the FBI is manufacturing evidence? is there a national-level plot against an innocent KC?

I haven't seen this level of plotting since JFK! Was KC working for Castro??

 

[Ezryder9]

Well, let's put it this way-- every court in the country would consider what LE got together as serious evidence that is conviction-worthy.

Then, there are a few KC apologists who disagree. Maybe they think they have to have seen her do it? Maybe, if they saw her do it, they would also make excuses for that.

And has anybody stopped to think back to LE's statement that they have a lot more evidence that's not been discussed? I sooooo agree that they have evidence that will lead to some serious charges. I just don't want it to happen too soon. Don't want there to be any chance for error. But also, remember early on, after the first arrest? The one on the child neglect charges? There was discussion about if they tried her on those charges they might not be able to press murder charges later 'cause of double jeopardy? IIRC the talking heads debunked that possibility, though. Well, here's a thought: Hey, LE, do the speedy trial thing and convict her on all the money charges. No doubt they'll get convictions, which'll put in her prison. There is no statute of limitations on murder. Take all the time you want or need to bring those charges. But when she goes into prison on the money charges, please, please put her in the general population, not isolation. She'll be there on money charges, so where's the need for isolation or protective custody? That's one pressure tactic I'd love to see.

And about seeing being the only way to know the absolute truth? Well, I didn't see myself being born, but I'm here, right?

 

[elitenls]

And, whenever I'm terrified or grieving, I ALWAYS get a yen to sleep with a bunch of guys, go clubbing, slide up and down stripper poles, rip off my best friends, and enter Hot Body contests!

LMAO, that was good.

I know when I'm bored I rip off all my clothes, sleep with a bunch of guys, go clubbing, slide up and down stripper poles, steal a bunch of stuff from my friends, and WIN hot body contests. Then I go home and slip in to bed, and my WIFE never knows!

 

[Katie526]

The problem here is that you folks BELIEVE EVERYTHING you hear whether it's real or not. Then you run with it and never question it. That's sad.

 

[Brini]

If that were the case hypothetically speaking, than where should anyone go from here? Should LE, TES, and all other parties just throw up their hands and stop searching? I mean obviously, again if Caylee is alive being held to keep Casey quiet, then they know that there is a search underway a search which could lead directly to them (all those handy tips from CA). That seems very dangerous for Caylee, if I am to believe this theory of course.

They are still searching for the body.

When OJ was on trial, his lawyers put in an 800 phone number so that people could call in tips. I every "tip" was followed from every head case, or even from imaginative well-wishers, that's all LE would be doing.

I just saw two dead ringers for Caylee, today. They are not Caylee-- I know the poeple. If I DIDN"T know thier families, I mighgt call it in, and waste a lot of LE time and resources.

LE has to go where the evidence points,. And, that is what they are doing.

 

[beaglebrd]

As I have no evidence to prove otherwise (and neither do you), it is impossible to say that the investigators are not pursuing both avenues. While they may firmly believe she is dead, until they have a body, it is my honest belief that they ARE pursuing both alternatives. I don't think they have to make us privy to their investigation.

With all respect (sincerely), no one has yet shown me an LE document, FBI doc, etc. to show she is alive.

And neither the parent or the grandparents have gone on TV asking people to please return her. If it was me and I was not going to go look for her, at least every time I was on my front lawn and the cameras were rolling THAT'S what would come out of my mouth...."PLEASE bring our Caylee home."