To all who believe Caylee is ALIVE, explain this?

[babycat]

So do you believe Caylee is still alive? And if so, what evidence leads you to believe that?

No, I don't believe she is still alive at all. Sorry, would take hours to list the evidence I feel supports my feelings, and I have class in an hour! haha

 

[SleuthyGal]

Its already been stated here and on NG that evidence can not be used in court because it is a new technology and can have false positives. Do a search for it, Im not going to do your research for you.

If it can't be used in court, its not good enough for me. I need more proof before I write this child off as dead.

A bunch of people on a website who THINKS she is dead without evidence enough to bring charges on someone isn't enough to make me give up hope, sorry to say.

Which evidence are you referring to? There is DNA evidence showing decomp in the trunk (fact). That is admissible in court. There is recovered hair from the trunk that through mitochondrial DNA testing proves it comes from either Caylee or Casey...ahh but there's more...this hair shows decomp AND shows the telltale banding that proves it came from a decomposing corpse. Casey is alive. Therefore the hair is from Caylee. That's a fact. And that too is accepted evidence that will be allowed in court. All tested by the FBI crime lab. You have 2 different cadaver dogs that got a 'hit' on the trunk. That too will be allowed in court.

That's just part of what we know about so far...there are likely lots of other things we are not privy to yet.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Its already been stated here and on NG that evidence can not be used in court because it is a new technology and can have false positives. Do a search for it, Im not going to do your research for you.

If it can't be used in court, its not good enough for me. I need more proof before I write this child off as dead.

A bunch of people on a website who THINKS she is dead without evidence enough to bring charges on someone isn't enough to make me give up hope, sorry to say.

The evidence and expert testimony provided by the "Body Farm" forensic experts has never been successfully challenged in any court. I would not count on it not being accepted.

 

[kaych]

So do you believe Caylee is still alive? And if so, what evidence leads you to believe that?

The lack of concrete evidence.
The lack of evidcence that she can be arrested on.
The lack of evidence that can be used in court, WITHOUT BEING ARGUED.
Oh yeah - the missing body, the missing murder weapon, the missing motive.

Wanting to party isnt a good enough motive. Her grandparents would thave kept her. Wanting to be in power isn't enough to kill your child, imo.

Edit:
I havent had any sleep so I am not coming across correctly. I know it is admissible, but it can be argued. DNA can not.


It doesn't matter who is right. All that matters is that she needs to be brought home, dead or alive, and people keep forgetting that.

 

[missy8394]

As for the evidence, I've always thought they didn't have to disprove it, they just have to provide reasonable doubt, I always hear that the "the burden Is on the state to prove the defendant guilty as charged In the indictment beyond all reasonable doubt" (borrowed from a court website).

If there is ANY chance is could be something else,
ex. The decomposition and DNA in the trunk, it "could" be urine.

The Chloroform in the trunk, "could have" been created by mixing the urine and chlorine (from a swimming pool) or alcohol.

 

[SleuthyGal]

No, I don't believe she is still alive at all. Sorry, would take hours to list the evidence I feel supports my feelings, and I have class in an hour! haha

Okay well thank you for answering the question. Since you already believe Caylee is deceased then the O.P.'s question doesn't apply.

 

[kaych]

The evidence and expert testimony provided by the "Body Farm" forensic experts has never been successfully challenged in any court. I would not count on it not being accepted.

I havent had any sleep so I am not coming across correctly. I know it is admissible, but it can be argued. DNA can not.

 

[GreenEyes727]

So Casey probably knew ABOUT her from a mutual friend and maybe knew the detail about her going to that apartment complex and was willing to drag her name into something as sinister as kidnapping a child just to be able to concoct a story. Casey has no qualms about taking all kinds of people down just to get what she wants. The behavior is just plain bizarre and outrageous. I've always felt that that didn't bode well for the fate of Caylee.

Her other boyfriend Tony has now been fired from the police force and several others have moved. Lots of people have been affected by this in a big way . . . oh, except Casey. She's just talking and smiling and acting like nothing happened, according to Leonard P. and Rob D.

 

[rozey]

Its already been stated here and on NG that evidence can not be used in court because it is a new technology and can have false positives. Do a search for it, Im not going to do your research for you.

If it can't be used in court, its not good enough for me. I need more proof before I write this child off as dead.

A bunch of people on a website who THINKS she is dead without evidence enough to bring charges on someone isn't enough to make me give up hope, sorry to say.

NG and WS is not LE or the court system and the discussion of the panels on NG are only giving opinions. So you in fact have no evidence that the evidence can be disproved. New technology can be submitted into evidence DNA was new technology at one point. And I would never ask anyone to do my research for me I am quite capable so there's no need to be rude. If you are going to make a statement plz be prepared to back it up with evidence unless your afraid it can be disproved.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

The bottom line is if I had a toddler that I probably knew I should not have I sure as H*LL would be watching the news to see if they were coming to get me. The person that has Caylee knows they have her. They know where this whole thing is headed and I would bet that KC did not pay them enough money shut them up forever.

There is no one.......hair from a dead child does not lie, unfortunately. There is no way to get around that evidence unless Casey is really dead and that is her hair.

Why to you think Baez is trying to stop all evidence testing with a foolish court filing? He KNOWS it is over, and just a matter of time at this point.

Even other attorneys say he "tiped his hand' by filing something like that. He is admitting he KNOWS Caylee is dead and his client will be charged.

 

[babycat]

Okay well thank you for answering the question. Since you already believe Caylee is deceased then the O.P.'s question doesn't apply.

Sure it does, I'm just as welcome to read all the opinions too, right? And give my input.

 

[missy8394]

Did they finally say that the hair they found in the trunk did have the post-mortem band? The last I heard from the expert was very generalize that "if they were to find the band on the hair, then it would mean something." But from what I've read, the banding isn't very common in the first place, it doesn't always occur, but it can.

 

[jbar]

This is an international search. Highly visible case. You can't avoid this case if you tried!

Yeah I have to agree. Most people I talk to on an everyday basis would say, "That's still going on?" when I mention new information or something about the case. People are NOT following it because from the get go most people decided it was the mother, and then it's been drug out so long. It may be "headline news" online, but if you are watching your 6 pm local news, you won't hear a thing about it. I don't know a single person IRL following this as closely as I am.

 

[SleuthyGal]

The lack of concrete evidence. You mean like DNA?

The lack of evidcence that she can be arrested on. Again, you mean like DNA proving a decomposing body was in the trunk of Casey's car, that decomposing body left at least one hair that was identified through DNA to come from Caylee, and that DNA-identified hair has the banding that is scientific proof of having come from a decomposing body? You mean THAT kind of evidence?

The lack of evidence that can be used in court. See above. Forensic evidence is admissible in court, as are statements, testimony by cadaver dog handlers, witness testimony, etc, etc.

Oh yeah - the missing body, the missing murder weapon, the missing motive. There was no weapon found in the Scott Peterson case and the motive was speculation based on his comments to mistress Amber. The body washed ashore 4 months later and COD, TOD and place of the murder was never determined. He's sitting on death row anyway!

Wanting to party isnt a good enough motive. says who? Her grandparents would thave kept her. Wanting to be in power isn't enough to kill your child, imo. according to who?

It doesn't matter who is right. All that matters is that she needs to be brought home, dead or alive, and people keep forgetting that. No one is forgetting that. Not the hundreds of LE officers, not the 1,000+ searchers, not the 14,000+ WSers, nor the thousands of other people who are following this case.

my comments in red above.

 

[elitenls]

I don't believe this baby is alive... if she were, then someone would come forward. Someone would leave her in a parking lot, someone would drop her off at home or the police station... after all this publicity, they'd have to know something was wrong and let that baby go... No... this baby isn't alive anymore... and the monster needs to pay.

I don't like thinking this; but you also have to take this perspective in to account. Initially, this could have been an elaborate power play by Casey in an attempt to get back at her mother, who she believes to be too forebearing when it comes to her daughter, and who she also believes to be trying to control Casey through her daughter.

She could have arranged with someone to take the kid, even take her out of state. She would know she's there, and know she's safe. You also have no idea if she's talked with this person since -- public phones, lawyer's office -- all untraceable. So, Caylee could be somewhere else and alive.

However, from what I've seen in movies and read about in the papers -- with the national publicity that this case has recieved, some two-bit moron that was helping out Casey with this whole thing would have dropped her off by now, somewhere, so that they didn't get associated with it. That, or the unthinkable to get away from the case.

So even if all the evidence is elaborate and wrong in Florida, she could still be deceased in another place.

This s~ is like a really slow movie; and I have to think of it like a movie so I don't lose my mind thinking about it. Being real is way too hard to comprehend.

 

[McNugget]

These are NOT my own opinions, just some explanations I'd imagine the Anthony family would have.

Why, if Caylee was abducted by ZG and her sister Samantha, there has not been ONE SINGLE person come forward to verify the fact that these people exist. Surely they have friends and family. Someone has to know of them. Where are they?

Maybe they are illegal immigrants. Maybe they didn't communicate with other people, they kept to themselves. Maybe they were working under false names. Maybe people are afraid to come up and talk. Maybe they don't even understand English.

Put yourself in her shoes, if your baby was missing, kidnapped by ???....would you act this way?
Casey has to be calm and collected. There's no use crying and being upset, it's not going to find her child.

Why didn't Casey ask TonE to get gas for her car if it had run out? Why didn't she go back even the next day and pick it up?
It was in the script Zenaida gave Casey. Casey had to follow her directions.

Why didn't she confide in someone....I mean anyone, her brother, mother, father. Just someone. Think about it. Who could bear the pain on their own, your baby has been kidnapped. You would be screaming to someone for help.
Zenaida threatened Casey would never see her baby again if she talked to anyone. Casey was strong enough to endure the pain of losing her baby and hide behind a normal face, but she was too frightened to confide in anyone. She likes to be independent anyway.

Why did Casey go out partying, having a great time with her friends after the kidnapping. Is this realistic, think about it. Would you, could you?
It was in the script, she had to act normal. Zenaida and Sam also frequented those night clubs so there might be a chance Casey would see them.

Why was Casey having such a great time leaving myspace and facebook messages to all her friends, after ZG kidnapped her baby girl?
Script.

Why did all of Casey's friends not notice anything different in her behaviour? She didn't seem upset, stressed, worried, why?
Script. She had to act normal for her baby in case Zenaida was watching!

Would you feel like stealing money from your friend and going on a shopping trip, when your baby was missing?
Script again! It explains everything!

Seriously, would you be thinking of having a tattoo if your child had been kidnapped? Wouldn't you be obsessed with finding her, getting her back.
Script!

Is this the behaviour of a mother whose child has been kidnapped, or of a mother who has finally got the freedom to be a free 'party girl' again?
Script.

I mean, this is only about her behaviour. I haven't even mentioned the evidence. I just cannot for the life of me, understand how anybody could possibly not see the truth. Actions speak louder than words.
Zenaida's script made Casey act the way she did.

 

[kaych]

NG and WS is not LE or the court system and the discussion of the panels on NG are only giving opinions. So you in fact have no evidence that the evidence can be disproved. New technology can be submitted into evidence DNA was new technology at one point. And I would never ask anyone to do my research for me I am quite capable so there's no need to be rude. If you are going to make a statement plz be prepared to back it up with evidence unless your afraid it can be disproved.

I wasn't trying to be rude but the common quote around here is "Do you have a link?"
I havent had any sleep so I am not coming across correctly. I know it is admissible, but it can be argued. DNA can not.
I am, however aggravated that people refuse to understand why people have doubts that she is dead.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

I havent had any sleep so I am not coming across correctly. I know it is admissible, but it can be argued. DNA can not.

I can't post it on this board, but if people only knew what tests the Body Farm really can run on what they received from the Sheriff's department, that family would be shaking in their boots. I can tell you that the decomp analysis and the DNA analysis are just the tip of the iceberg in this case.

 

[missy8394]

When did they say the hair from the trunk did in fact have the banding? I didn't see that, I'll admit that would make a difference...

 

[lin]

I read the posts from the "Caylee is Alive" thread and I feel like I'm on another planet to these posters.

I ask them to explain to me -

Why, if Caylee was abducted by ZG and her sister Samantha, there has not been ONE SINGLE person come forward to verify the fact that these people exist. Surely they have friends and family. Someone has to know of them. Where are they?

Put yourself in her shoes, if your baby was missing, kidnapped by ???....would you act this way?

Why didn't Casey ask TonE to get gas for her car if it had run out? Why didn't she go back even the next day and pick it up?

Why didn't she confide in someone....I mean anyone, her brother, mother, father. Just someone. Think about it. Who could bear the pain on their own, your baby has been kidnapped. You would be screaming to someone for help.

Why did Casey go out partying, having a great time with her friends after the kidnapping. Is this realistic, think about it. Would you, could you?

Why was Casey having such a great time leaving myspace and facebook messages to all her friends, after ZG kidnapped her baby girl?

Why did all of Casey's friends not notice anything different in her behaviour? She didn't seem upset, stressed, worried, why?

Would you feel like stealing money from your friend and going on a shopping trip, when your baby was missing?

Seriously, would you be thinking of having a tattoo if your child had been kidnapped? Wouldn't you be obsessed with finding her, getting her back.

Is this the behaviour of a mother whose child has been kidnapped, or of a mother who has finally got the freedom to be a free 'party girl' again?

I mean, this is only about her behaviour. I haven't even mentioned the evidence. I just cannot for the life of me, understand how anybody could possibly not see the truth. Actions speak louder than words.

I keep thinking of the saying 'out of sight, out of mine' relating to Casey!

Thank you for this thread, seekingjustice. I wish someone could confront the Anthony's the way you have confronted some supporters.