To all who believe Caylee is ALIVE, explain this?

[SleuthyGal]

BTW, everything in court can be argued. That's what an adversarial legal system is all about! The prosecution presents the evidence that they believe proves their case. The defense can argue against it, but they are not required to argue anything if they don't want to. The burden rests on the prosecution.

If any of you followed prior cases say, starting with O.J. Simpson in 1995 you might remember that the defense argued EVERYTHING in the case including the DNA, how it was collected, the validity of it, the validity of the tests, etc, etc, etc.

 

[dcorrigano]

Here's my problems with the case, besides the obvious. Everyone wishes and hopes Caylee is alive and well somewhere in this world. And I believe like the Anthony's holding onto that 1% chance that she is.

But. If I had leads where this child was, I would be screaming it from the roof tops. I would be publicly declaring every lead in every country, every chance I had. Especially if I believed LE wasnt following up, as the A's have repeatedly stated.

I would have left my child in jail, she is safe there. And it would not be physically possible for me to live in a house day after day with the person who knows something about the whereabouts of the child and not mention anything....

Deep denial of the child's death may have kept me from searching the woods for her, but I would give any information and any materials needed to anyone that would help find this baby..

I would have demanded a lie detector test!! DAY 1

If I decided to sell pictures of my missing child for $1million. The reward amount would be $1.225 million dollars. Talk about motive to give the child back.

I would be hiring all the PI's I could find, not a criminal atty to do a media blitz. My reputation and "how I look" would be the LAST thing on my mind. I would be using the Media everyday, every minute and every second to benefit finding Caylee.

JMHO

 

[kaych]

There is no one.......hair from a dead child does not lie, unfortunately. There is no way to get around that evidence unless Casey is really dead and that is her hair.

it has been said numerous times that the band around the hair showing decomp can have false positives.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

When did they say the hair from the trunk did in fact have the banding? I didn't see that, I'll admit that would make a difference...

U.T. Body Farm identified that first. The F.B.I. analysis confirned it. There was also a third confirmation.

 

[rozey]

I can't post it on this board, but if people only knew what tests the Body Farm really can run on what they received from Sheriff's department, that family would be shaking in their boots. I can tell you that the decomp analysis and the DNA analysis are just the tip of the iceberg in this case.

I agree with you we have no idea what evidence LE really has. It doesn't concern me that they haven't charged CA with murder yet, What's the hurry? It makes more sense that LE is taking their time and covering all bases. So I don't think that the argument that she hasn't been charged yet is confirmation that Caylee is alive.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

it has been said numerous times that the band around the hair showing decomp can have false positives.

Not from three different sources. There were 3 different labs came to the same conclusion with their tests. U.T. Body Farm has 4 different tests they confirm their findings with........there is no way for them to get a false positive. You don't seem to understand how seriously damaging this is.

 

[seekingjustice**]

These are NOT my own opinions, just some explanations I'd imagine the Anthony family would have.

Why, if Caylee was abducted by ZG and her sister Samantha, there has not been ONE SINGLE person come forward to verify the fact that these people exist. Surely they have friends and family. Someone has to know of them. Where are they?

Maybe they are illegal immigrants. Maybe they didn't communicate with other people, they kept to themselves. Maybe they were working under false names. Maybe people are afraid to come up and talk. Maybe they don't even understand English.

Put yourself in her shoes, if your baby was missing, kidnapped by ???....would you act this way?
Casey has to be calm and collected. There's no use crying and being upset, it's not going to find her child.

Why didn't Casey ask TonE to get gas for her car if it had run out? Why didn't she go back even the next day and pick it up?
It was in the script Zenaida gave Casey. Casey had to follow her directions.

Why didn't she confide in someone....I mean anyone, her brother, mother, father. Just someone. Think about it. Who could bear the pain on their own, your baby has been kidnapped. You would be screaming to someone for help.
Zenaida threatened Casey would never see her baby again if she talked to anyone. Casey was strong enough to endure the pain of losing her baby and hide behind a normal face, but she was too frightened to confide in anyone. She likes to be independent anyway.

Why did Casey go out partying, having a great time with her friends after the kidnapping. Is this realistic, think about it. Would you, could you?
It was in the script, she had to act normal. Zenaida and Sam also frequented those night clubs so there might be a chance Casey would see them.

Why was Casey having such a great time leaving myspace and facebook messages to all her friends, after ZG kidnapped her baby girl?
Script.

Why did all of Casey's friends not notice anything different in her behaviour? She didn't seem upset, stressed, worried, why?
Script. She had to act normal for her baby in case Zenaida was watching!

Would you feel like stealing money from your friend and going on a shopping trip, when your baby was missing?
Script again! It explains everything!

Seriously, would you be thinking of having a tattoo if your child had been kidnapped? Wouldn't you be obsessed with finding her, getting her back.
Script!

Is this the behaviour of a mother whose child has been kidnapped, or of a mother who has finally got the freedom to be a free 'party girl' again?
Script.

I mean, this is only about her behaviour. I haven't even mentioned the evidence. I just cannot for the life of me, understand how anybody could possibly not see the truth. Actions speak louder than words.
Zenaida's script made Casey act the way she did.

Oh I love it, that was very funny:crazy:

 

[GreenEyes727]

(SNIPPED FOR SPACE)
Gametheory, I agree totally. No one spends appx 6 hrs a day, 5 days a week with their attorney to defend child neglect and fraud charges. Frankly I am still shocked Casey is allotted all that time, FRANKLY IT TICKS ME OFF....
I am sick of listening to "AnthonySpin", they are entitled to believe what they want to believe, but COME ON! How could they live in the same house and NO ONE ask WHERE THE HELL IS CAYLEE!!
Man, I am aggravated already, thanks Casey.....
sorry for the mini rant folks, and of course this is all just MY opinion.

I think she's watching HBO movies at Baez' office so it's not all about finding Caylee or defending a murderer . . . it's about this brat getting her way.

 

[missy8394]

Who said that there was banding found on the hair they found in the trunk?

 

[TURBOTHINK]

I agree with you we have no idea what evidence LE really has. It doesn't concern me that they haven't charged CA with murder yet, What's the hurry? It makes more sense that LE is taking their time and covering all bases. So I don't think that the argument that she hasn't been charged yet is confirmation that Caylee is alive.

LE have played this one to the letter of the law and they are not taking any chances in filing too soon. There is no statute of limitations on murder. They have the rest of Casey's life to file.

 

[ks1]

The earlier post that discussed that Casey could be in a manic episode is exactly what I have thought all along. These people do not live in reality and unless treated, she will not have the mental capacity to react as a normal person would. I know two people with this condition and the webs they weave and the lies they believe while in a manic episode are just incredible. They live in a total fantasy world unless they are on medication.
Also want to say that it was just recently that I learned of this missing child. I was recently at a large event with people from Ok and Tx, sitting around talking and NOT ONE PERSON that I spoke to knew about this case. None of my family knew, no one in my Bunko group knew, none of my friends had heard anything about it.

 

[Katie526]

Not from three different sources. There were 3 different labs came to the same conclusion with their tests. U.T. Body Farm has 4 different tests they confirm their findings with........there is no way for them to get a false positive. You don't seem to understand how seriously damaging this is.

Then why not charge her now?

 

[rozey]

Then why not charge her now?

Why charge her now?

 

[liltigress]

If someone had Caylee, you can bet they are watching the news. There is no legal way they could have obtained Caylee.

Let's say it was an illegal adoption. Yes, they would notice the news about the child they bought.

Let's say it was a temporary handoff. Yes, they would notice the news about the child they were keeping.

Bottom line here is that Casey has a GET OUT OF JAIL FREE card and she's not cashing it in.

She does NOT look like someone who is scared for herself or her family. The profile doesn't fit and her actions surely don't show it.

Not to mention that Baez is having her stay at his office 6 hours a day to prepare for a murder trial. That isn't for child neglect. Why would he be asking to stop forensics testing for child neglect?

Baez doesn't have to prove Casey's innocence, only give doubt. He has with some of you already.

 

[librarian_mama]

IMO the reason Casey isn't upset is because Caylee wasn't taken, she was given away.

So, instead of making one phone call to LE to prove that Caylee is alive and well, Casey prefers the 24/7 media throng on her parent's front lawn, the national hatred for her growing every day, and people searching for a dead baby? Not likely.

 

[diz39]

Let's forget what we all observers (believers and non-believers) think and let's see for a minute what the PROTAGONISTS of this case really think through their actions.

Is Baez preparing to find the baby alive or is Baez preparing for a child negligent case? Neither! Baez is preparing for a murder/accidental death case. All his actions, all his dealing with Casey, all his press releases are those of a defense attorney in a murder trial. The latest? Why stop the process of examining physical evidence? That would confirm an alive Caylee and an abduction, the existence of another person involved. Does he really want us to believe he discuss Caylee with Casey for 8 hours in his office when he actually files for something like this? Why is he not allowing his client to talk to police - under his supervision and guidance to make sure nothing is twisted - and let Casey tell the police who really has her baby? Because nobody has the baby. This might be a game for Casey but it is not for Baez. And he very well knows that this could be a death penalty kind of trial. So why would he play with his client's life if he thought the baby is alive and they can find a formula to work with LE to get to the bottom of this?

Is what LE doing, the work of Law Enforcement that looks for a baby still ALIVE?Unfortunately not. And I am not saying they don't want to do that. The facts and evidence they have unfortunately makes them do things that says only one thing: They are looking to locate a body and how that baby died. I am saying their actions are not the actions of LE who has even 1% hope/info/evidence that the child is somewhere alive and they are bringing in people of interest for questioning daily and gave a sketch to new stations to play and addressed the kidnappers publicly. What is LE doing? Looking with the help of Equusearch for a deceased Caylee, and building a case of physical evidence and circumstantial evidence agains the mother. They are only being PC when they still say ''we are looking for Caylee alive or dead''. That's what they say and that is the right thing to say. But their actions say differently.

Are the Anthonys acting like people who think Caylee is alive? No they are not. Even if publicly or/and privately hold on to that hope, none of their actions is in accord with people looking for a baby still alive or people who their grandchild has been abducted or hidden someplace. Beth Holloway and/or relatives-friends of the Holloway family went down to Aruba immediately to search for her MISSING at the time daughter. Why Cindy and George not even visited the embassy of those countries they believe Caylee has been to? Why they haven't been on an international campaign to inform those countries about Caylee? Why they are not travelling to those states in the US where they say they receive tips from? Why are they spending money and energy on Casey's bail if they really think the child is alive at the moment? Why are they holding vigils when they could be walking through neighbourhoods and following tips?

Why did Mark Nejame spend all his valuable time on tv trying to make people understand that Cindy and Anthony are through a process of grief and people should allow them to do that? If the Anthony's hired this layer to help them with their quest and campaign to find an alive Caylee as Nejame said (even though a PRIVATE DETECTIVE would have been a more appropriate choice don't you think?), why did he spend all that valuable on-air time explaining the grief the grandparents are going through and the possibility that their daughter Casey is facing serious jail time for horrendeous crimes? Why didn't he spend a few minutes talking about organising a search for an alive Caylee? Why HE REFUSED to speak about areas and tips given to them about possible sightings of Caylee? Why did he said the LE asked them to not talk about this tips this since the LE are working a theory on a dead Caylee and since Cindy attacked the LE for looking for a dead Caylee? If Cindy and George were really looking for an alive Caylee they wouldn't give 2 cents what the LE instructed them to do. I mean they surely had no trouble going on-air and attacking the LE. So why nobody can act as someone who is looking for an alive baby?

Because at this point none of the PROTAGONISTS of this case really believes the baby is alive. Grandparents might have sunked in their denial and hope and despair to find her alive, but their logic is what is keeping them from taking appropriate actions for an alive missing baby. Now all of us are just observers, and I don't think we can convince one another to chance their mind about little Caylee being alive or not. We all come to this with different perspectives and life experiences.

But how can anyone denied that all the main protagonists of this case are preparing for a murder trial?

Beautiful, thorough job!:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[seekingjustice**]

Thank you for this thread, seekingjustice. I wish someone could confront the Anthony's the way you have confronted some supporters.

Your welcome lin I would love to sit down with the Anthony's and point a few things out.

 

[kidz110]

Here's my problems with the case, besides the obvious. Everyone wishes and hopes Caylee is alive and well somewhere in this world. And I believe like the Anthony's holding onto that 1% chance that she is.

But. If I had leads where this child was, I would be screaming it from the roof tops. I would be publicly declaring every lead in every country, every chance I had. Especially if I believed LE wasnt following up, as the A's have repeatedly stated.

I would have left my child in jail, she is safe there. And it would not be physically possible for me to live in a house day after day with the person who knows something about the whereabouts of the child and not mention anything....

Deep denial of the child's death may have kept me from searching the woods for her, but I would give any information and any materials needed to anyone that would help find this baby..

I would have demanded a lie detector test!! DAY 1

If I decided to sell pictures of my missing child for $1million. The reward amount would be $1.225 million dollars. Talk about motive to give the child back.

I would be hiring all the PI's I could find, not a criminal atty to do a media blitz. My reputation and "how I look" would be the LAST thing on my mind. I would be using the Media everyday, every minute and every second to benefit finding Caylee.

JMHO

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
And I would be using the donated money from hard working people to actually go check out these leads on my own.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Then why not charge her now?

My personal opinion is there is more involved in this case than a dead child. I believe there are a number of others going down for very serious charges. If you noticed the DEA closed down one of Casey's night clubs just in the past few weeks.

 

[librarian_mama]

Then why not charge her now?

The DA has one shot only at a murder conviction. It is only logical to keep building a case against Casey--premature action could let a baby killer walk.