Toddler's Mother/Peaches/Jane Doe #3

[deedee21]

My opinion, for what it's worth (2 cents). I have a lot of tattoos, so it's just coming from personal experience.

Peaches' tattoo doesn't look new to me, and looks kind of sloppily done. I don't believe it's a cover up of any kind - too small and the colors too light. If the artist who came forward is who actually did the tattoo, memory from 20 years prior - with no records - is iffy at best.

20 yrs prior? He identified the tattoo one year after he met Peaches.

 

[Sherlockknows]

I did find this however. On an account for a Stephanie Durr on Pinterest. I think it comes under Georgia Peach.

Something the Tattoo Artist said, you'd never be asked to do something like this unless someone was from Georgia. Interesting. Maybe she lost a loved one and this is where she was from before moving to NY to work. We all don't generally carry accents, in a lot of cases they are past down through parents. Mimicking. Maybe her parents moved there to work on Peach Plantation and had very mid Atlantic Accents.

Everyone is presuming the opinion of the Tattooist is true. Her heart was broken. And we are presuming it may be a man or a woman. What about a Grandparent or Parent. What about a baby a Twin.

I have a feeling she is not from Bristol. Not from New York. And not from New Jersey. Maybe Georgia could carry a clue and give us an Answer....


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[Vedder]

20 yrs prior? He identified the tattoo one year after he met Peaches.

I am confused then - he contacted LE the year after Peaches was found?

 

[Sherlockknows]

I am confused then - he contacted LE the year after Peaches was found?

He contacted LE after he noticed a Tattoo in a magazine.


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[Kellyd]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134803

Really good thread with a lot of details.

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[BigCityAccountant]

There is not much info on this MP. I think there is a possibility she could be Peaches. Her name is Sonya Oliver. I found her and she was not in NamUs. Researching I found her daughter's twitter account, which I won't post here for the daughter's privacy reasons. I reached out to NamUs and she has been added to the database, NamUs #23353.

If you come across someone not in NamUs, please reach out to NamUs to contact the family and have the MP added.

Sonya was from the Buffalo NY area, missing since 1995. She is African American, 5' tall, think build with short hair.

 

[Kellyd]

There is not much info on this MP. I think there is a possibility she could be Peaches. Her name is Sonya Oliver. I found her and she was not in NamUs. Researching I found her daughter's twitter account, which I won't post here for the daughter's privacy reasons. I reached out to NamUs and she has been added to the database, NamUs #23353.

If you come across someone not in NamUs, please reach out to NamUs to contact the family and have the MP added.

Sonya was from the Buffalo NY area, missing since 1995. She is African American, 5' tall, think build with short hair.

Her full name is Sonya Renee Cloud-Oliver. Why is it not in Namus that way? I found that on the picture on her daughter's twitter, not a good quality picture but has that been submitted also?

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[Hotpotato]

Sonya Oliver was added to namus in 2014. I've viewed her before and I wanna say she was too old?

 

[Kellyd]

Sonya Oliver was added to namus in 2014. I've viewed her before and I wanna say she was too old?

She is on missingpersonsdata.com on the same date Namus shows in 2014, maybe that's where you saw it hotpotato?

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[Hotpotato]

This might be a long shot missing for so long, but the age could be right and I find the Georgia connection interesting
Also she looks light skinned and had pierced ears
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/smiley_alisha.html

 

[deedee21]

I am confused then - he contacted LE the year after Peaches was found?

LE put a photo of the tattoo in a magazine. The artiist recognized his work and contacted LE. Youtube A&E killing season peaches

 

[Sherlockknows]

This might be a long shot missing for so long, but the age could be right and I find the Georgia connection interesting
Also she looks light skinned and had pierced ears
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/smiley_alisha.html

Georgia sounds good. This girl went missing in 1985 though. I think the Tat was put on an older woman. I emailed the Atlanta Sex Workers Crowd. Think I may ring them this week.


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[Armchair-reader]

I did find this however. On an account for a Stephanie Durr on Pinterest. I think it comes under Georgia Peach.

Something the Tattoo Artist said, you'd never be asked to do something like this unless someone was from Georgia. Interesting. Maybe she lost a loved one and this is where she was from before moving to NY to work. We all don't generally carry accents, in a lot of cases they are past down through parents. Mimicking. Maybe her parents moved there to work on Peach Plantation and had very mid Atlantic Accents.

Everyone is presuming the opinion of the Tattooist is true. Her heart was broken. And we are presuming it may be a man or a woman. What about a Grandparent or Parent. What about a baby a Twin.

I have a feeling she is not from Bristol. Not from New York. And not from New Jersey. Maybe Georgia could carry a clue and give us an Answer....


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Maybe her nickname was peaches. My grandma was from the old south and had nicknames for all of us. Peaches was one of them.

 

[Sherlockknows]

If there was a Tattoo magazine for Georgia. We could email them the story adding the photo. Human interest. The media's friend.

I did some research on Georgian Tattoos.

There are Peaches everywhere. It is certainly something you get if you are from Georgia. Maybe she was a student in Georgia Tech?

Anyway, none of them have a bite but the do drip juice. The have something which is obvious though. A brown twig stem which connects the fruit to the tree. The person who did this Tattoo really didn't do a Georgian Tattoo. They are 3D. This is 2D. Of course I could be wrong it could be someone in a prison who did hers with unprofessional gear but I don't think so. Just someone not from Georgia not used to Peaches is my opinion. But I think she is, and she might have taken her kid to a client, or invited him around. Might have been poor in the big city with no one to trust to mind the kid.


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[Hotpotato]

Georgia sounds good. This girl went missing in 1985 though. I think the Tat was put on an older woman. I emailed the Atlanta Sex Workers Crowd. Think I may ring them this week.


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I assumed she got the tattoo when she was older, not when she was 3. Peaches age is listed as teenager-30 if I'm remembering correctly

 

[BigCityAccountant]

I assumed she got the tattoo when she was older, not when she was 3. Peaches age is listed as teenager-30 if I'm remembering correctly

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Correct 16-30 Years Young.

NamUs #11652

 

[Sherlockknows]

Something new:

"Peach – take into account inking a peach with a bite taken out of it to symbolize taking a emit of life and living it to the fullest."

For my sins I'm a poet, and the Internet gave me something of an explanation as to the Tattoo (above), which directly contradicted the Tattoo Artist, and may be closer to the truth if indeed she was happy when she turned up with her friend.

It got me thinking about Symbolism and what each Tattoo meant. Then I stumbled across a young lady with a Peach Tattoo and a bite on her her blog I think. She explained the reasoning behind the Tattoo through some poetry.


Shall I part my hair behind? Do I dare to eat a peach?
I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach.
I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each.

– T.S. Eliot, The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock





Here is a list of the top 8 Atlanta Tattoo Parlours would anyone here like to email them or tweet or Facebook them with the Peaches and Cherries Tattoos in case they may recognise one of them or can explain what they mean. http://www.gafollowers.com/best-tattoo-shops-atlanta/#_

I found a Peach with a bite out of it so they do exist in Georgia. What it means to this person is anyone's guess but people from the state might know.



What a Peach Tattoo means in Feng Shui

Peach. One of the most popular feng shui fruit symbols, peach is the symbol of immortality. The peach is also known in feng shui as the fruit of heaven because of its prominence in many ancient Chinese legends about the Immortal gods. Peach came to be associated with wealth, health, abundance and longevity. The peach is also known as a feng shui symbol of love and marriage. In China, "love luck" is often referred to as "peach blossoms luck".

Peach Symbolism

Pomegranates and peaches express immortality and luxury (the velvet of the peach's skin and the ruby red fruits inside the pomegranate).


Cherries Symbolism

Cherries express eroticism and orgasm.

For others the Peach symbolizes immortality; the cherry refers to the ideas of modesty and beauty











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[jacobd83]

I think i am going to try and email natonal news sources

 

[Hotpotato]

I still say money will get people talking.

 

[Evey]

I think this killer (or killers) are hiding in plain sight. So often serial killers do. It's likely that the "party house" was an easy way to find prey and no one realized there was a killer in their midst. I don't think both killers used the party house though. I think one killer is someone that is very sociable and well liked (trophy killer) while the other is someone who keeps to himself (mutilator).

I find it interesting that once the incident with Shannon Gilbert happened and the dumping area was discovered, the murders appear to have stopped. Makes me wonder if LE has looked into people that suddenly moved away during that time.

From everything I've read on Israel Keyes he only completely confessed to the murder of the Curriers and Samantha Koening. The manner of death was strangulation or shooting. The rest of the murders he confessed to he refused to give names or details, which has made it difficult for LE to investigate these murders since Keyes committed suicide and there's no way to get any more info on the victims. Maybe I've missed stuff on him (not impossible). If you're aware of any articles or info on him that reveals more about his crimes I would definitely like to read them.


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My thought is maybe the killer New they were looking for her so rather than keep his trophies he strategically left them. Keyes sadly never admitted to all his murders so it makes me wonder if he was in new York since liked hunting in the wild.