Tommy Croslin claims mistreatment in Putman Jail per Att

[Whisperer]

First of all, I need to know if Werter is the attorney of record for tommy in the Haleigh case. I did not think he was representing him after the poly. However, Werter has spoken with a private investigator and various agencies regarding the matter up to the point of the Shell Harbor Search.

If Werter is not his attorney of record on the Haleigh Cummings Case, this filing has no merit. PCSO did what they had to do. They warned him they would file charges on him if he does not come clean. They have his own words to hang him. This case needs to be solved. Within a few short weeks, it is over. All the players are going to prison on drug charges and some heading there have a worse reputation than others as a murderer of a little girl. IMO, LE told Tommy how it will be ... I am sure they didn't tell him they were going to tell fellow inmates about tommy. RC has accomplished that at Putnam and the TVs in prison will do the rest to tommy.

It is in tc's best interest to tell the truth.....unless he really did murder Haleigh.

 

[krkrjx]

LE yelled at Tommy, probably. They may have threatened to charge him with murder, yes. They might have implied they would slander him with the other guests at the Greybar. But threats are not illegal as long as they are not acted on. LE is not required to be nice. They do not have to respect Tommy for any reason. They have to keep him safe while in their custody and so far there is no evidence they are not doing that. LE have been lied to over and over and over again by this citizen and his sister, and those lies have cost the taxpayers untold thousands of dollars.

I think Tommy believed he could not be yelled at or set straight on the score. I think until he came back to Putnam he really had no clue that the gig was up.

I do not condone illegal activity on the part of LE but I will never go merely on Tommy's word that anything illegal has occurred. Once I see evidence of Tommy being mistreated by authorities, I will sing a different tune. I will champion Tommy's civil rights because those are rights that must be respected.

I believe the truth about the mistreatment allegations will be told, and soon, if the issue is heard by Judge LaRue. Judge LaRue is no pushover; more importantly, he appears to be the only person in a position of authority in all of Putnam County interested in justice...justice for a 5-year-old girl who was at the mercy of criminals who did not care about her then, and care even less about her now.

 

[Trident]

LE yelled at Tommy, probably. They may have threatened to charge him with murder, yes. They might have implied they would slander him with the other guests at the Greybar. But threats are not illegal as long as they are not acted on. LE is not required to be nice. They do not have to respect Tommy for any reason. They have to keep him safe while in their custody and so far there is no evidence they are not doing that. LE have been lied to over and over and over again by this citizen and his sister, and those lies have cost the taxpayers untold thousands of dollars.

I think Tommy believed he could not be yelled at or set straight on the score. I think until he came back to Putnam he really had no clue that the gig was up.

I do not condone illegal activity on the part of LE but I will never go merely on Tommy's word that anything illegal has occurred. Once I see evidence of Tommy being mistreated by authorities, I will sing a different tune. I will champion Tommy's civil rights because those are rights that must be respected.

I believe the truth about the mistreatment allegations will be told, and soon, if the issue is heard by Judge LaRue. Judge LaRue is no pushover; more importantly, he appears to be the only person in a position of authority in all of Putnam County interested in justice...justice for a 5-year-old girl who was at the mercy of criminals who did not care about her then, and care even less about her now.

BBM Now there's a novel thought.

My opinion only

 

[1Chump]

First of all, I need to know if Werter is the attorney of record for tommy in the Haleigh case. I did not think he was representing him after the poly. However, Werter has spoken with a private investigator and various agencies regarding the matter up to the point of the Shell Harbor Search.

If Werter is not his attorney of record on the Haleigh Cummings Case, this filing has no merit. PCSO did what they had to do. They warned him they would file charges on him if he does not come clean. They have his own words to hang him. This case needs to be solved. Within a few short weeks, it is over. All the players are going to prison on drug charges and some heading there have a worse reputation than others as a murderer of a little girl. IMO, LE told Tommy how it will be ... I am sure they didn't tell him they were going to tell fellow inmates about tommy. RC has accomplished that at Putnam and the TVs in prison will do the rest to tommy.

It is in tc's best interest to tell the truth.....unless he really did murder Haleigh.

According to Werter, he was told that Tommy was interviewed not interrogated. That is important. Because your Constitutional Rights do not kick in for an interview, only an interrogation. During an interview, if you ask for an attorney, they do not have to get you one. They do not have to get you an attorney because you are not in custody...you are free to leave.

IMO, Tommy did ask for an attorney. Otherwise, there would be no need to tell Werter it was an interview. However, Tommy has the Constituation Rights to an attorney even if they did just "interview" him. Because Tommy is in custody. Tommy is not free to walk out. Therefore, Tommy cannot be interviewed, only interrogated.

It does not matter if Werter represents Tommy in regards to Haleigh. The minute Tommy asked for an attorney, legally they had to stop "interviewing" Tommy and get him an attorney.

Again, I only believe Tommy on the interrogation without an attorney because Werter was told it was an interview not an interrogation.

 

[kamky]

LE yelled at Tommy, probably. They may have threatened to charge him with murder, yes. They might have implied they would slander him with the other guests at the Greybar. But threats are not illegal as long as they are not acted on. LE is not required to be nice. They do not have to respect Tommy for any reason. They have to keep him safe while in their custody and so far there is no evidence they are not doing that. LE have been lied to over and over and over again by this citizen and his sister, and those lies have cost the taxpayers untold thousands of dollars. ~SNIP~

bbm

With all the attention this case has gotten and the attention that Tommy's actions have brought upon himself, I doubt that his fellow inmates in GP haven't already heard every conceivable rumor about Tommy. Tommy's attorney would be hard pressed to prove LE slander, IMO.

 

[Trident]

LE yelled at Tommy, probably. They may have threatened to charge him with murder, yes. They might have implied they would slander him with the other guests at the Greybar. But threats are not illegal as long as they are not acted on. LE is not required to be nice. They do not have to respect Tommy for any reason. They have to keep him safe while in their custody and so far there is no evidence they are not doing that. LE have been lied to over and over and over again by this citizen and his sister, and those lies have cost the taxpayers untold thousands of dollars. ~SNIP~

bbm

With all the attention this case has gotten and the attention that Tommy's actions have brought upon himself, I doubt that his fellow inmates in GP haven't already heard every conceivable rumor about Tommy. Tommy's attorney would be hard pressed to prove LE slander, IMO.

IF TC is murdered, I hope and believe his parents will sue the pants off PCSO. Since he and his lawyer are privy to these claims, I believe they would have a good case.

MY OPINION ONLY

 

[LillieBelle]

We have no evidence that LE didn't check RC out, just as we don't have evidence that LE didn't check Crystal or anyone else out. People are frustrated that LE doesn't seem to have RC at the top of the suspect list. But why does this thread, and every other thread, have to come back to RC?
I think the threads always come back to RC because in my humble opinion, , he seems to be the most likely suspect of all...
and for some reason PCSO just doesn't want "to go there"...

 

[Snowbunny]

They have all, Misty, Tommy, and Hank Sr stated that LE needs to take a closer look at Ronald, but as they put it LE doesn't want to hear about it, but my question would be why? Misty, herself, has stated that she's tried to tell LE what she knows but that they won't listen to her. I think they need a new set of eyes brought in on this case and let the card fall as they will and all parties need to be reinvestigated.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

IMO Tommy was interrogated by several LE. Why else would they move him without the knowledge of his attorney, denie him the right of his attorney to be present, put him in a nasty cell, put him in GP, tell him they would lie and say he killed Haleigh, accuse him of murdering Haleigh in front of other people, and tell him that detectives would give other prisoners false information about him that could lead to "physical harm".

I find it interesting that Tommy withdrew his plea and all this came down on him. His attorney asking for an EXPEDITED HEARING is also hinky to me.


LE has not done this to Misty who is their so called "KEY", nor to Ronald who left Haleigh in a drug addicts care and allegedly abused his children and women.
It's not that I am sticking up for Tommy, I just would like the justice system to be fair. Regardless of who I feel is to blame, fair is fair and to me this was mis-conduct on LE and the Jails part and they should be held accountable. Yes, we are all frustrated, they are all frustrated as well as Haleigh's innocent family waiting on her. But the law is the law and it should be applied "Equally" to all parties. I will leave it at that.

All I pray for is for Haleigh to be found and for whom ever knows what happen to her to open up their heart and tell the truth. Enough of the lies and games, it's been well over a year and nothing new has surfaced in regards to where Haleigh is. The only news we have is that most of the players are liars and drug users and most knew that from day one. JMO :cow:

"Snip" http://www.wesh.com/news/24110371/detail.html
PALATKA, Fla. -- http://www.wesh.com/news/24110371/detail.html
Attorney for Hank Croslin Jr. has filed a motion in court claiming Hank Jr. (Tommy) had been harassed and threatened by authorities.


The motion stated he was recently moved from the St. Johns County Jail to the Putnam County Jail, where Croslin Jr. was placed in the general population section in a cell with bad plumbing and ventilation.

That PCSO visited Croslin Jr. to harass and threaten him.
Allegations that detectives said Croslin Jr. would be charged with the slaying of Haleigh if he doesn't talk..

Allegations that a Sheriff's Office captain berated Croslin Jr. and accused him of murder in front of other people.

Alleged threats telling Croslin Jr. that detectives would give other prisoners false information about him that could lead to "physical harm."

Read Motion http://www.wesh.com/download/2010/0701/24110635.pdf


Croslin's attorney said his client's civil rights were violated and stated he wants to move his client back to jail in St. Johns County.

A judge will hear the motion on July 16.

 

[krkrjx]

I hope the allegations are fully investigated and if there was wrongdoing on the part of LE, I hope Tommy/Werter can prove it so that appropriate action is taken.

IMO, Tommy has caused much of his own troubles by placing himself at the scene when Haleigh went missing, by not speaking up until it was to his benefit (for lower bond on an unrelated charge) for dealing/trafficking pills--especially while he was out on bond on pending charges--and for various lies that resulted in ground and water searches that put LE personnel in harm's way and cost the taxpayers thousands (and that is probably a grossly underestimated figure).

However, Tommy does not deserve to be roughed up, beaten up, maimed or possibly killed while in PCSO custody. As much as he disgusts me, I do not want to hear that he has been harmed at the hands of LE, or because LE just looked the other way. I have from the day he was transferred questioned WHY he was being transferred.

I was a lurker here for several months prior to becoming a contributing member, and I am probably going back into lurker status. I have nothing to say that others cannot say as well--probably better, given how some of my statements have been misinterpreted.

My only goal for over a year of following this case has been justice for Haleigh; certainly every single one of her rights were and continue to be violated. JMVHO.

 

[Maryann123]

Bring on the taped interview!

Along with the following people!
The motion also stated detectives said Croslin would be charged with the slaying of Haleigh if he doesn't talk. The motion also stated a Sheriff's Office captain berated Croslin and accused him of murder in front of other people.

 

[Concerned Papa]

I’ve been reading and thinking how best to tell how I feel about the subject of this thread, Tommy Croslin claims mistreatment in Putman Jail. My opinion may not be a popular one, but in short, I don’t give a rat’s azz about Tommy’s comforts, fears, or “rights”.

For me, these are IRRELEVANT when you think of whatever pain or fear Haleigh must have felt in her final moments. Was she conscious, was she hurt, crying, cold, fighting back, struggling to live?

After 17 months, there are very few of us who don’t believe that Tommy has some type of knowledge about that night. What or how much remains to be seen because, to date, he has chosen to remain silent or lie every step of the way. Not only has Haleigh had to suffer the injustice of the crime committed against her, she has had to suffer the indignity of not being able to come home for those who loved her.

Every player in this case has had the opportunity to either be part of the problem or part of the solution. Tommy Croslin still has that opportunity. He can tell the truth and prove it by passing a polygraph.

Then and only then will I give a damn about his “rights”.

 

[Maryann123]

BBM: If he truly does know what happened, why why why won't he tell the truth and be done with it? How long has it been now? He lost his wife and kids. His whole family has been behind bars, (except TiC) with him and Misty looking like they will be there for years. Now he claims he's afraid for his life. If he knows the truth, he should just say it instead of playing all these games. Wouldn't his lawyer encourage this?

Cry all you want Tommy. If you know what happened, just tell the truth for once. :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

I have a saying that I use over and over, and some of you probably do too. When I'm being pressed for more details about an interesting story I say, "that's all I know, and if I tell you any more, I'm gonna have to start making it up." You can pressure, you can threaten, and you can beat people up, but if they don't know any more, and you insist on more..........at some point they have to make it up!

 

[KSH352]

I've been thinking about this complaint of Tommy's. Werter stated sometime ago that he DID NOT REPRESENT TOMMY CROSLIN for the Haleigh Cummings case. He only represented him on the drug charges.

soooooooooo Tommy is/was not represented by an attorney for the Haleigh Case and the questioning was about Haleigh not the drug case... what was wrong with that?

 

[Maryann123]

I’ve been reading and thinking how best to tell how I feel about the subject of this thread, Tommy Croslin claims mistreatment in Putman Jail. My opinion may not be a popular one, but in short, I don’t give a rat’s azz about Tommy’s comforts, fears, or “rights”.

For me, these are IRRELEVANT when you think of whatever pain or fear Haleigh must have felt in her final moments. Was she conscious, was she hurt, crying, cold, fighting back, struggling to live?

After 17 months, there are very few of us who don’t believe that Tommy has some type of knowledge about that night. What or how much remains to be seen because, to date, he has chosen to remain silent or lie every step of the way. Not only has Haleigh had to suffer the injustice of the crime committed against her, she has had to suffer the indignity of not being able to come home for those who loved her.

Every player in this case has had the opportunity to either be part of the problem or part of the solution. Tommy Croslin still has that opportunity. He can tell the truth and prove it by passing a polygraph.

Then and only then will I give a damn about his “rights”.

I disagree with you, but I'll fight tooth and nail for your right to your opinion!

 

[dodie20]

I have a saying that I use over and over, and some of you probably do too. When I'm being pressed for more details about an interesting story I say, "that's all I know, and if I tell you any more, I'm gonna have to start making it up." You can pressure, you can threaten, and you can beat people up, but if they don't know any more, and you insist on more..........at some point they have to make it up!

The BIG problem with making up stories to appease the interogators, is that Tommy recanted that story, but his lawyer seems to be in the dark on that one. If he's not in the dark, why didn't he explain why they are back on Joe? Also, his lawyer said that he was in the dark about Tommy's transfer, & it caught him off gaurd, or something to that effect. Now, I find that hard to believe. We knew, the papers reported it, the news stations reported it, etc...maybe LE didn't call & ask his permission, but really, what's the problem? Is this lawyer worried about formalities?

 

[Dion]

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After 17 months, there are very few of us who don’t believe that Tommy has some type of knowledge about that night. What or how much remains to be seen because, to date, he has chosen to remain silent or lie every step of the way. Not only has Haleigh had to suffer the injustice of the crime committed against her, she has had to suffer the indignity of not being able to come home for those who loved her.

Every player in this case has had the opportunity to either be part of the problem or part of the solution. Tommy Croslin still has that opportunity. He can tell the truth and prove it by passing a polygraph.

Then and only then will I give a damn about his “rights”.

BBM
That's really the problem, isn't it. I'm hard pressed to think of any of the players in this case, who seem to want to be part of the solution. They all seem to be in cover up mode

 

[Maryann123]

The BIG problem with making up stories to appease the interogators, is that Tommy recanted that story, but his lawyer seems to be in the dark on that one. If he's not in the dark, why didn't he explain why they are back on Joe? Also, his lawyer said that he was in the dark about Tommy's transfer, & it caught him off gaurd, or something to that effect. Now, I find that hard to believe. We knew, the papers reported it, the news stations reported it, etc...maybe LE didn't call & ask his permission, but really, what's the problem? Is this lawyer worried about formalities?

Dodie, I don't think we should confuse "formality" with our 5th amendment rights.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

The only reason for a person to put himself or herself at the scene of a crime is because the person was there and there is likely to be evidence that proves it. We know Misty was at the mobile home--unless she was lying and left the kids unattended or took them somewhere. We know Tommy was there. They both claim Cousin Joe was there. All either Tommy or Misty had to do if they wanted a story about Ron out there was to call a news conference and tell the truth or give sworn statements that don't contradict the physical evidence.

I'm not sure where anybody gets the idea that LE isn't listening to what these people have to say. The trouble is not listening--it's believing people who lie repeatedly. It's hard to believe Tommy and Misty when they fail the polygraphs they are given. That's also the problem with these allegations about how Tommy is being treated. If he wants people to believe him, then he can aid in the process by telling the truth, starting with what he knows about Haleigh's disappearance.

I don't know why anyone thinks the LE involved is this case is corrupt, as I don't live in the area. Seems to me they have Misty and Tommy behinds bars as well as RC on the drug charges. There's clearly no lack of will to arrest any of these people as they are already in jail and on their way to prison if they take a plea bargain or are found guilty on the drug charges, as is likely given the video evidence. The only reason I can think of that LE isn't buying what Tommy and Misty are selling is that what they say doesn't match up with forensics, cell pings, and other objective evidence. I give LE high marks for staying on the case, not letting it go cold.

 

[Whisperer]

The way I see it is that LE was trying to tell TC what was coming down. They were not threatening but probably telling the truth. He has alreadys stated he had kge of what happened. If they found anything in that water (like the cinderblocks) he is big trouble.

Nothing wrong with a warning. Cinderblocks at a dock are unusual (at least to me). I have never seen a reason for anyone to dock a boat at a boat ramp. You tie the boat to the pier and exit or enter. I also would find it odd that anyone would tie a body to the pier, you would take it further along the bank or out in deep water.

I feel LE's frustration.