Tommy Croslin claims mistreatment in Putman Jail per Att

[dodie20]

Tommy has come a long way, in a very short time-& it has been straight down. just look at a recent picture of him. In a few months time, he has aged, at least 15 years. Now, there has to be a reason for that. I would think extreme fear, worry, stress, could do that. Just a few short months ago, he was talking about doing 3 years & moving on, with his wife & kids. Now, he's alone, & being threatened with a murder charge. (reportedly). I think he sat in jail, & started worrying about who was gonna say what 1st. & I think he sat in jail, & pumped himself into believing he could pass an LDT. I think the cops had just enough information on him, to get him even more worried. I remember him saying that Misty was trying to help him, but she wasn't, & she needed to keep his name out of her mouth. I sure wish I knew what she let slip, because that's when the crud hit the fan. Unless he had some kind of promise in writing, his lawyer should never have endorsed that test, because Tommy had absolutely nothing to gain. Nothing. But he did take it & he did spin a wild tale, & now he's left to control the damage. Personally, I think it's time for the cops to crack down on the whole bunch, & if they want to start with Tommy, that's ok with me. If he didn't kill Haleigh, then he can tell the truth & put an end to this.

 

[lonetraveler]

Considering Ronald has said he is going to kill the person responsible for what happened to his daughter, is it really the smartest to put Tommy and Ronald together? What is Tommy had something on Ron, and Ron killed him under the guise of I thought you killed my daughter? Now, we dont know if Tommy and Ronald are together, but if they are, thats not the smartest thing to do.

And I hope Werter can prove it.

Something stinks and it ain't Denmark. Is Tommy being delivered to Ron? Will Tommy be knocked off and then named as Haleigh's killer by LE? Is this a ploy to "solve" this case by LE? I don't give a flying fig for anyone involved in this case but I sure as .......hit don't want someone put into a situation for a "hit" so that a "cold" case can be written off of the books. I want Haleigh's murderer brought to justice the legal way. I DO NOT WANT HER MURDER COVERED UP ANY MORE THAN IT ALREADY IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[lonetraveler]

Tommy has come a long way, in a very short time-& it has been straight down. just look at a recent picture of him. In a few months time, he has aged, at least 15 years. Now, there has to be a reason for that. I would think extreme fear, worry, stress, could do that. Just a few short months ago, he was talking about doing 3 years & moving on, with his wife & kids. Now, he's alone, & being threatened with a murder charge. (reportedly). I think he sat in jail, & started worrying about who was gonna say what 1st. & I think he sat in jail, & pumped himself into believing he could pass an LDT. I think the cops had just enough information on him, to get him even more worried. I remember him saying that Misty was trying to help him, but she wasn't, & she needed to keep his name out of her mouth. I sure wish I knew what she let slip, because that's when the crud hit the fan. Unless he had some kind of promise in writing, his lawyer should never have endorsed that test, because Tommy had absolutely nothing to gain. Nothing. But he did take it & he did spin a wild tale, & now he's left to control the damage. Personally, I think it's time for the cops to crack down on the whole bunch, & if they want to start with Tommy, that's ok with me. If he didn't kill Haleigh, then he can tell the truth & put an end to this.

Yep, and if Tommy isn't the one, and Misty is told what is going on with Tommy and a big "if" Misty has a tiny, tiney, little grain of conscience, maybe she will finally tell the truth about what happened to Haleigh and then maybe the guilty person will be brought to trial.
real murderer

 

[lonetraveler]

Remember when misty said she was being mistreated, because the TV wasn't at the angle where she could see it from her cot, and she wasn't able to get out and walk around when she wanted, and the food wasn't to her liking. She threatened to have her family go on all the talk shows and tell the world how bad she was being treated. Maybe Tommy should threaten to do the same.

LE has screamed from the beginning that Misty is the dang "key", then why isn't she is general population???????????? :waitasec: And while LE is busy trying to solve this crime, why don't they put Ron back into isolation. I bet if he had stayed in isolation, right now we would not be sitting here trying to figure out what happened to Haleigh!!! :banghead: I think that Ron needs to be put in isolation, Misty needs to be in general population and Tommy needs to be in general population. Maybe then, one of them will come clean. But, to put Tommy into general population with Ronald? NO! Tommy ending up dead and Ronald and LE screaming that Tommy killed Haleigh is just too wrapped up and a bow tied around it to me............

 

[Maryann123]

Something stinks and it ain't Denmark. Is Tommy being delivered to Ron? Will Tommy be knocked off and then named as Haleigh's killer by LE? Is this a ploy to "solve" this case by LE? I don't give a flying fig for anyone involved in this case but I sure as .......hit don't want someone put into a situation for a "hit" so that a "cold" case can be written off of the books. I want Haleigh's murderer brought to justice the legal way. I DO NOT WANT HER MURDER COVERED UP ANY MORE THAN IT ALREADY IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hear you Lonetravler! I was suspicious of the reasons for moving Tommy in the first place, and this kind of seals it for me. If the "discussion" they had with Tommy is on tape, I'll be surprised. I want the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, regardless of who it turns out to be. If it's Tommy, let him swing.
I can't get past Ronald being booked over and over, yet no charges ever stuck. Crystal lost custody of her children to him, when they had evidence that he was more involved with drugs than she ever was. I can't help but believe that since Tommy has filed these charges against the Sheriffs department, it will help make them more accountable. What will everyone think when Ronald is the last to go to court and he walks, yet again? I believe this is entirely possible.

 

[lonetraveler]

Considering Ronald has said he is going to kill the person responsible for what happened to his daughter, is it really the smartest to put Tommy and Ronald together? What is Tommy had something on Ron, and Ron killed him under the guise of I thought you killed my daughter? Now, we dont know if Tommy and Ronald are together, but if they are, thats not the smartest thing to do.
And I hope Werter can prove it.

I don't care if all of the Croslins and Cummings are put into a dog pound for the rest of their lives but it really needles me that Ron may very well do just as you have posted, ie., have Tommy knocked off because "Tommy killed Haleigh" when the real reason could be that Ron wants assurance that Tommy does not tell what he knows about what really happened to Haleigh. Ron may want to make sure that Tommy does not say anything incriminating about Ron. Ron used a headless rate to threaten Tommy about keeping his mouth shut, this time Ron may shut Tommy's mouth up permanently. If Tommy harmed Haleigh, let him fry. If he didn't and someone else did, I want them to fry.

 

[Chablis]

LE has screamed from the beginning that Misty is the dang "key", then why isn't she is general population???????????? :waitasec: And while LE is busy trying to solve this crime, why don't they put Ron back into isolation. I bet if he had stayed in isolation, right now we would not be sitting here trying to figure out what happened to Haleigh!!! :banghead: I think that Ron needs to be put in isolation, Misty needs to be in general population and Tommy needs to be in general population. Maybe then, one of them will come clean. But, to put Tommy into general population with Ronald? NO! Tommy ending up dead and Ronald and LE screaming that Tommy killed Haleigh is just too wrapped up and a bow tied around it to me............

Because the LE needs to wait for this teenage girl to shake her loyalty and devotion to Ronald Cummings, they cant afford for her to be hurt, in the end she will be what brings justice for HaLeigh, and all this other stuff is side show theatrics.

Misty is the key to the lock, and I suspect thats Ron, and so do LE. Right now as it stands, with each of these people they have 15 years to wait and make a case. I want justice for HaLeigh, and if it takes years, so be it, better than nothing!!

But Tommy being in GP is WRONG.

 

[lonetraveler]

Well, so much for Hardy's "story" about Tommy being moved because of his nearing court date! Give me a break!

I certainly hope that LE aren't being told to wrap this case up no matter what it takes...............I don't care how any of them are treated but I do not want Haleigh's death swept under the carpet and the killer goes scott free. I want the killer of Haleigh to be held accountable and punished accordingly.

 

[lonetraveler]

I think part of the problem, is that it's hard for an observer to focus in on only one guilty person. I think so many crimes have been committed during this investigation, that it's hard to seperate the killer, from the rest, because they're all guilty of something...the drug dealers, drug users, liars, hinderers, impeders, coverers, cleaner uppers, neglecters, abusers, threateners, & it goes on & on...My feeling is that LE is right on target with Tommy. I say, go after him, but, I want all of the others got too.

That's just it. I want to know about and read about and maybe actually see the pressure being put on all of them, not just a chosen one or two, but ALL of them. I want to feel warm and fuzzy all over that ALL of them are being pressured. It is just absolutely, wonderfully great that we get to hear about at least one of them being pressured but I want to know that Ron Cummings is at least uncomfortable and I'm not talking about his dang old dirty shorts, I'm talking about really being pressured, questioned until his teeth fall out. All I see and hear is just microfocused on one individual. I'm not one for assuming that LE is doing what I hope they are doing. I have found out over the years that when you assume that someone is doing what is expected of them sometimes you end up really disappointed and made to feel like a total fool. I don't want to feel like a fool on this case because I put all my trust into LE. I never assume anything and I'm not going to start now. I know by experience that there are bad apples in LE just as much as in other sectors of real life. I'm sure that pressure is being applied to LE to wrap it up! Now! I want to see proof that the pressure is being applied equally to all of the possible perps in Haleigh's case. I know, I'm going to get to see posts reminding me that I'm not entitled to see what LE has, I didn't say I was entitled, I said I wanted to see and hear the pressure being put on each player equally. We only get to see and hear what LE decides we can see and hear. Just the fact that LE are trying to get Tommy to "confess" at this point is very frustrating and telling to me. It tells me that LE still doesn't have a clue about what happened to Haleigh. If I was assuming all this time that they only had to tidy up the loose ends because they had it all figured out, I would be knocking my head against the brick wall right now.....but I haven't assumed that LE was up to snuff on this case so I'm still waiting for them to investigate every player instead of the convenient ones..............:furious:

 

[Maryann123]

Dodie, Tommy's LDT was administered by someone Werter picked out. If he had flunked it, they didn't have to say anything. The only thing I remember Werter saying about the LDT and flunking, was the fact that Tommy went to the MH that night, but lied about the time. Werter went on to say, he gave the time that LE asked him to give, in order to make bail.
I don't remember Tommy ever saying Misty was trying to help him, but I do remember him saying something about Misty needing to leaving his name out of everything. Misty has recanted her story about Tommy and Joe, by saying this story was put into her head by other inmates. Were these inmates planted there by LE? I don't know, but it's certainly possible. If I'm wrong on any of this, please tell me. Maybe I misunderstood!

 

[Dion]

Yep, and if Tommy isn't the one, and Misty is told what is going on with Tommy and a big "if" Misty has a tiny, tiney, little grain of conscience, maybe she will finally tell the truth about what happened to Haleigh and then maybe the guilty person will be brought to trial.
real murderer

Misty doesn't seem to care about Tommy. When she was being videotaped taking her polygraph, she was mulling over who might be responsible, and the two most likely suspects according to her, were were Crystal (because of child support) and the other was Tommy ...

quote "I keep hearing things about my brother... I have no idea if he took her, said Croslin"

The fact she would so readily throw his name out there, tells me she either knows something, or was deliberately trying to pin something on him for some reason.

If she was responsible for Haleigh's disappearance and asked Tommy to help cover up, IMO she would never have mentioned his possible involvement.

She also disassociates herself from Tommy's possible involvement by saying she "keeps hearing things about my brother" and not saying who she is hearing it from, and what "they" were saying, while giving a clear motive as to why Haleigh's mother might be responsible.

And (to get back on track) I'm wondering why Tommy would be in more danger than Ron in general population. Don't the inmates know that both of them are possible suspects?

If Ron were to try and attack Tommy, it would only add years to his sentence, and highlight his violent nature. Prison officials should take steps to keep the two apart, or it will not look good on them, if something happens to Tommy.

 

[Kimster]

This is about Tommy's allegations. We have a theory thread for other speculations.

 

[Maryann123]

Dion, if you believe Tommy.........and I'm of that opinion right now, LE said they were going to tell the other inmates lies about him in order to put his life in danger. Maybe they had no intentions of doing that, and only trying to scare him, but I'm assuming it was very real to Tommy. I don't find this acceptable behavior in the treatment of a person accused of dealing drugs to a UC, but I do find it acceptable in the treatment of a murderer. Problem is, there's no proof Tommy is either a murderer or a person with knowledge of a murder.

 

[Maryann123]

This is about Tommy's allegations. We have a theory thread for other speculations.

Guilty as charged! Sorry Kim.

 

[Kimster]

Guilty as charged! Sorry Kim.

I still love ya! :blowkiss:

 

[Dion]

Dion, if you believe Tommy.........and I'm of that opinion right now, LE said they were going to tell the other inmates lies about him in order to put his life in danger. Maybe they had no intentions of doing that, and only trying to scare him, but I'm assuming it was very real to Tommy. I don't find this acceptable behavior in the treatment of a person accused of dealing drugs to a UC, but I do find it acceptable in the treatment of a murderer. Problem is, there's no proof Tommy is either a murderer or a person with knowledge of a murder.

Actually, I don't believe a word that comes out of Tommy's mouth, but I also don't want to see him placed in physical danger.

I think he has some knowledge of what happened that night and I do want to see him made to feel uncomfortable enough to start to get real about what happened. If that's what it takes.

I understand what you are saying, and I have total respect for your point of view. I know it's not nice what they are doing, but IMO it could be justified.

I think they should also start leaning on Ron and Misty, but maybe they are concentrating on Tommy right now because they think he might be the first one to crack.

 

[drip~drop]

This is about Tommy's allegations. We have a theory thread for other speculations.

That picture is hysterical!

As far as TC being treated "poorly". He's in jail, not the Ritz. The sooner he adjusts to it, the better for him. imo

 

[dodie20]

Dodie, Tommy's LDT was administered by someone Werter picked out. If he had flunked it, they didn't have to say anything. The only thing I remember Werter saying about the LDT and flunking, was the fact that Tommy went to the MH that night, but lied about the time. Werter went on to say, he gave the time that LE asked him to give, in order to make bail.
I don't remember Tommy ever saying Misty was trying to help him, but I do remember him saying something about Misty needing to leaving his name out of everything. Misty has recanted her story about Tommy and Joe, by saying this story was put into her head by other inmates. Were these inmates planted there by LE? I don't know, but it's certainly possible. If I'm wrong on any of this, please tell me. Maybe I misunderstood!

Tommy said that about Misty thinking she was helping him, in an early jail recording. I don't know exactly when, because the tapes came out at random times, but it was released at about the same time, that LE went to Lindsey's & retrieved those stolen goods. so, I 'surmised' that Misty, in the process of ratting, let some incriminating detail slip. But LE may have lied about Misty letting something slip, when in reality, they just suspected the information. But whichever, LE seems to have been on to Tommy, for awhile. maybe, because like Misty, he's eager to talk, maybe because he's desperate to save his hide, or maybe because LE has some incriminating info, we don't.

 

[Snowbunny]

I asked my son if LE would go as far to rattle TC that way and he said yes, but then he made the comment that LE has lots of tvs and cameras all over the place. I told him that I thought it was cruel and he said he thought it was crueler that HaLeigh hadn't been found yet. My son doesn't like to talk about this case much, because it really bothers him, and he really gets upset with me when I even mention this case. He told me long ago he wants to stay disassoicated from cases like this because it tears him apart. Not only is my son a correctional officer at the state penitentiary here, but he is also a firefighter and an EMT-B and he still had nightmares of the little 7 year old girl who was riding in a car that was struck by a drunk driver. She died in my son's arms and as he put it there wasn't a darn thing he could do to help her. He said that everytime I mention HaLeigh he thinks of that little girl who died in his arms and he said he can't get her face out of his heart and mind. He use to talk to me about this case but after that little girl died he will no long talk about it much, but he has always felt as I that RC is the one LE is really watching. He did make the comment tonight that he felt they were rattling TC to see what kind of reaction they get out of RC. He told me that he didn't think that LE would allow anyone to harm TC but he felt that if TC was rattled enough and RC saw this he might get nervous and slip up. I truly believe its RC they are after and so does my son.

 

[Maryann123]

Actually, I don't believe a word that comes out of Tommy's mouth, but I also don't want to see him placed in physical danger.

I think he has some knowledge of what happened that night and I do want to see him made to feel uncomfortable enough to start to get real about what happened. If that's what it takes.

I understand what you are saying, and I have total respect for your point of view. I know it's not nice what they are doing, but IMO it could be justified.

I think they should also start leaning on Ron and Misty, but maybe they are concentrating on Tommy right now because they think he might be the first one to crack.

Thank you for understanding where I'm coming from. If I thought for one minute he had any knowledge, I'd be the first one to pull his fingernails out one by one in order to get that knowledge.
Oops, I just caught myself going on and on about my reasons for feeling the way I do, and realized Kim was going to pull my fingernails out one by one if I continued. I'll save this for another thread, and another day. Thank goodness for the delete button!