Tommy Croslin claims mistreatment in Putman Jail per Att

[Dr. Know?]

When did Werter say he would represent Tommy in a case for Haleigh? I only ask because this is the last I remember. But have noticed he's spoke up a couple of times.

http://www.artharris.com/2010/04/09/exclusive-did-tommy-croslin-pass-polygraph/

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We don’t know exactly…just that attorney James Werter of St. Augustine, Fla. told me earlier he’d scheduled a polygraph Thursday morning, April 8, for client Tommy Croslin who had long requested, a sock-it-to-me lie detector test to clear up any allegations made by sister Misty that he’d come to the trailer with a cousin from Tennessee hours before she reported five year old Haleigh Cummings missing Feb. 10, 2009.

Calls to Werter weren’t returned by press time, but he did send me this text:

“I no longer represent Tommy Croslin on issues regarding Haleigh Cummings. I continue to represent him in his criminal cases.”


Now the LE put out a statement today:

http://www.news4jax.com/news/24112773/detail.html

"Croslin is in jail on drug charges facing sentencing," Ryan said. "Our folks talked to him about another pending investigation, totally separate. Again, we're just not going to respond to the allegations."

I don't agree with force, but Tommy did like to talk when they gave him a burger and cigs. He was happy on a phone call with Lindsey, kind of laughing about that day. Whatever happened, Tommy goes to trial 7/6, and the hearing on this incident is 7/16. Will there be a continuance motion in the morning for Tommy..
Looks like I missed it. So Werter is representing him now. Missed that.

 

[Whisperer]

LE doesn't have to plant words in general pop about TC. RC has already done that. I suspect TC is getting harassed endlessly and rc is enjoying every minute of it. rc will not harm TC as that would put rc in prison for life. He has already told everyone that tc is the killer of his baby girl and tc does not get a moments' peace.

This is PCSO's last chance to find out what happened. TC is their only hope. His attorney has said that TC is NOT culpable but knows what happened. RC will never talk and had lawyered up from the beginning and has given nothing to LE....never will..thus, LE is going to come down on TC hard...it's really all they have.

 

[krkrjx]

Tommy's sentencing is 7/6. A sentencing hearing would not be subject to a motion for continuance, would it? Unless the attorney or the defendant were physically unable to be present, I doubt sentencing could be continued. Tommy will soon be off to prison, so likely the detectives want to take advantage of any opportunity they have before he leaves. I do think they tried to interrogate him but I do not believe it went down exactly the way it is claimed in the complaint.

If Tommy is afraid in jail, he'll be afraid in prison, too. I doubt they will keep him in protective custody in prison for his entire sentence, so he better toughen up.

 

[Concerned Papa]

~Respectfully Snipped~

He did make the comment tonight that he felt they were rattling TC to see what kind of reaction they get out of RC. He told me that he didn't think that LE would allow anyone to harm TC but he felt that if TC was rattled enough and RC saw this he might get nervous and slip up. I truly believe its RC they are after and so does my son.

Let your son know that from the following post made over 8 hours before yours, there's someone else who feels EXACTLY the same as to why they are on TC's case so hard.

I'm gonna give you my initial reaction to this newest scenario. I'm not a big believer in coincidences. What was it, 2 or 3 days ago that TC was moved to Putnam County after months at St Johns? Now, all of a sudden someone is supposedly getting rough with Mr. Croslin?

Tell you what makes more than a little sense with me. What if the real perp was in the same jail as TC? What if this real perp KNEW that TC had the goods on what and who really happened to Haleigh?

Do you think TC being treated rough might make the perp sweat a few bullets, afraid he would finally talk? Do you think it would, as Shakespeare said, "give him pause"?

I say go for it. It's worth a shot.

 

[Trident]

LE doesn't have to plant words in general pop about TC. RC has already done that. I suspect TC is getting harassed endlessly and rc is enjoying every minute of it. rc will not harm TC as that would put rc in prison for life. He has already told everyone that tc is the killer of his baby girl and tc does not get a moments' peace.

This is PCSO's last chance to find out what happened. TC is their only hope. His attorney has said that TC is NOT culpable but knows what happened. RC will never talk and had lawyered up from the beginning and has given nothing to LE....never will..thus, LE is going to come down on TC hard...it's really all they have.

Nice post, Whisperer, BUT, if something happens to TC that would be one less mouth some people would have to worry about spilling the real beans.

:cow:

 

[Missingmeds]

This is just my two cents worth but here goes.

Regardless of what TC has done he still has rights and those need to be
protected for the sake of the rest of us.

What LE did if they actually told him that they were going to put out the word that he was a baby killer was threaten his life as surely as if they had stuck a
loaded weapon in his face. That is against the law. They should be arrested and jailed, see a judge and have a bond set, just like everyone else.

I don't agree with these types of tactics for one simple reason and one reason only. IF a LE officer does it once and gets away with it, they will do it again. Next time they might not be so lucky and the person that they threaten could end up dead. What if that person was innocent? What if that innocent person was someone that you personally cared about? Then would you still feel the same way?

We all agree that Tommy has lied, time and time again even, to LE. So why in the world would they want to have him say anything? They can't believe a word out of his mouth without third party or evidence that what he telling them is the truth.

I am seriously afraid that they are setting this up just as someone else said they were. Tommy gets dead, they claim he is the perp, and case closed. I don't believe that scenario for a minute because frankly, I don't think that Tommy is smart enough to pull off a murder of this magnitude by himself.

 

[Emeralgem]

Wow, I am quite shocked that most people are actually believing this about LE. Think about WHERE Werter got this information....Ummm...the outright "honest" Tommy Croslin???

You can bet your sweet bippy I believe it..JMO

 

[Emeralgem]

This is just my two cents worth but here goes.

Regardless of what TC has done he still has rights and those need to be
protected for the sake of the rest of us.

What LE did if they actually told him that they were going to put out the word that he was a baby killer was threaten his life as surely as if they had stuck a
loaded weapon in his face. That is against the law. They should be arrested and jailed, see a judge and have a bond set, just like everyone else.

I don't agree with these types of tactics for one simple reason and one reason only. IF a LE officer does it once and gets away with it, they will do it again. Next time they might not be so lucky and the person that they threaten could end up dead. What if that person was innocent? What if that innocent person was someone that you personally cared about? Then would you still feel the same way?

We all agree that Tommy has lied, time and time again even, to LE. So why in the world would they want to have him say anything? They can't believe a word out of his mouth without third party or evidence that what he telling them is the truth.

I am seriously afraid that they are setting this up just as someone else said they were. Tommy gets dead, they claim he is the perp, and case closed. I don't believe that scenario for a minute because frankly, I don't think that Tommy is smart enough to pull off a murder of this magnitude by himself.

BBM Red.... I totally agree and I share your concern in the matter...

 

[Emeralgem]

something stinks and it ain't denmark. Is tommy being delivered to ron? Will tommy be knocked off and then named as haleigh's killer by le? Is this a ploy to "solve" this case by le? I don't give a flying fig for anyone involved in this case but i sure as .......hit don't want someone put into a situation for a "hit" so that a "cold" case can be written off of the books. I want haleigh's murderer brought to justice the legal way. I do not want her murder covered up any more than it already is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bbm..amen

 

[Peliman]

Hah, Tommy acted like all this was a big joke until Hope got sentenced. Claiming he went to the MH that night and Misty didn't answer. Then the story about Joe taking him hostage that night in the van with Joe and dumping Haleigh's body. So now maybe he got a come to jesus moment at Putnam and wants to return back to St. Johns Co.

He's got a lawyer to protect his rights. Violin Please!

 

[Cherry Baby]

I would think that LE, even knowing that Tommy (as well as the others) have done nothing but tell tall tales and half truths, and their history as well, wouldn't go out of their way to mistreat him. Keep pressure on with interviews, yes. There's too many cameras, there's too many other inmates that would rat out LE for some lesser time if they witnessed anything out of the ordinary.

This kinda begs the question for me that what did Tommy think his jail time would be like? Club Fed? Seems to me from the beginning that the collective Croslin attitude was they didn't do nuthin' and that 'the cops were out to get them. I think this is just more of the same.

 

[Chablis]

I would think that LE, even knowing that Tommy (as well as the others) have done nothing but tell tall tales and half truths, and their history as well, wouldn't go out of their way to mistreat him. Keep pressure on with interviews, yes. There's too many cameras, there's too many other inmates that would rat out LE for some lesser time if they witnessed anything out of the ordinary.

This kinda begs the question for me that what did Tommy think his jail time would be like? Club Fed? Seems to me from the beginning that the collective Croslin attitude was they didn't do nuthin' and that 'the cops were out to get them. I think this is just more of the same.

I dont know Tommy, but there is nothing to indicate to me he has felt entitled or thought he was going to be staying in a Four Seasons since he has been incarcerated. I have not heard of Diva demands for a cell with a view or anything in regards to Tommy ever. The one thing I do know is he does have the right to not be threatened by cops who are threating his safety, if thats what they did. Thats not right at all, and I hope they really didnt do this, because if they indeed did, it shows me how desperate they really are and it makes me sad.

 

[Dion]

Unless the interview was taped and we actually hear the detectives threaten Tommy’s safety, how do we know his allegations are true. Who would be more believable - several LE officers or a compulsive liar who has already confessed to being a witness in a child murder and has shown over and over again, that he has no respect for the law or police in general.

I'm sure Tommy would like to say that they took him to quiet area and beat the c*** out of him, but then he would have to prove it by showing his injuries. So he claims verbal abuse instead.

 

[Missingmeds]

Unless the interview was taped and we actually hear the detectives threaten Tommy’s safety, how do we know his allegations are true. Who would be more believable - several LE officers or a compulsive liar who has already confessed to being a witness in a child murder and has shown over and over again, that he has no respect for the law or police in general.

I'm sure Tommy would like to say that they took him to quiet area and beat the c*** out of him, but then he would have to prove it by showing his injuries. So he claims verbal abuse instead.

For me in this case actually I would have to say Tommy. My reasoning, the statement released by PCSO. I have to tell you that I wouldn't trust any LE any further than I can throw them these days.

 

[Trident]

For me in this case actually I would have to say Tommy. My reasoning, the statement released by PCSO. I have to tell you that I wouldn't trust any LE any further than I can throw them these days.

Especially in Putnam County where the good o'le boys and their families are on a first-name basis.

My OPINION only

 

[tlcya]

An open letter to TC

1st the plumbing and ventilation complaints: waaaaa, you are a criminal and incarcerated in jail, not disney world, not club med and not at home. You aren't supposed to be comfortable or enjoy your surroundings.

2nd the allegation that LE questioned you without a lawyer present even though you have one. IF that is true, I find that highly disturbing. Forgive me if I am mistaken (and I am sure the members here can and WILL tell me if I am), but wasn't there recently some question as to who was representing you for what? If I recall, around the time of your wife filing for divorce, your attorney of record stated to the media that he was representing you on the drug charges but in no way represented you on matters pertaining to Haliegh's disappearance. If that was during the time period LE was questioning you without an attorney present wouldn't that mean it's because technically - you didn't have one? At least for the matter you were being questioned about.

3rd, and finally, the allegation that LE threatened to leak to the general population that you may have been responsible for the disappearance/assumed murder of little Haliegh so that they could then exact a little rough prison justice upon you - Yeah, so what? Don't you watch Law and Order? CSI? Or any other popular show? Was this tactic really surprising to you? Everybody knows this is a ruse used by LE to put pressure on a suspect. SO what? What LE threatens when they have you sweating it out in the box is not what they are going to do. Did they throw you in the wolves and say "here ya go boys, sick him!"? Have you been harmed? Have you been beaten with rubber hoses?

Thought not.

 

[Concerned Papa]

For me in this case actually I would have to say Tommy. My reasoning, the statement released by PCSO. I have to tell you that I wouldn't trust any LE any further than I can throw them these days.

My friend, we each have our own opinions and I respect yours and all who share it, but the day will never come for me that I believe Tommy Croslin over LE. The same applies for his Mama, Daddy, Sister, Brother, and his dog too for that matter. They are each and everyone liars by definition (well, truthfully I don't know for sure about his dog).

I'm as frustrated as anyone with the apparent stalemate this case seems to be in, but until I can get the image out of my mind of all I have seen LE do in this case versus all I have seen Tommy and kin do, I can't go there.

-I've got to somehow get out of my mind the image of over 100 men and women walking every inch of Hwy 17 for 8 and 1/2 miles to believe Tommy over LE.

-I've got to somehow get the image out of my mind of those same officers walking hand in hand barefoot across the Mondex pond's mud after it was drained to believe Tommy over LE.

-I've got to forget about these officers diving in the St Johns River for several days probing in the river bottom's mud right along with the water moccasins that Ger showed us a picture of BECAUSE of Tommy and kin's lies.

I have tried to look at this case from the very beginning from a viewpoint of what's fact and what's fiction. To date, the only facts I'm aware of are a beautiful little 5 year old girl has vanished and LE is trying to find her.

EVERYTHING else, seemingly every word and action of ALL who were in her life, is pure fiction.

Oh yea, I forgot: MOO, JMO, JMHO

 

[Chablis]

An open letter to TC

1st the plumbing and ventilation complaints: waaaaa, you are a criminal and incarcerated in jail, not disney world, not club med and not at home. You aren't supposed to be comfortable or enjoy your surroundings.

2nd the allegation that LE questioned you without a lawyer present even though you have one. IF that is true, I find that highly disturbing. Forgive me if I am mistaken (and I am sure the members here can and WILL tell me if I am), but wasn't there recently some question as to who was representing you for what? If I recall, around the time of your wife filing for divorce, your attorney of record stated to the media that he was representing you on the drug charges but in no way represented you on matters pertaining to Haliegh's disappearance. If that was during the time period LE was questioning you without an attorney present wouldn't that mean it's because technically - you didn't have one? At least for the matter you were being questioned about.

3rd, and finally, the allegation that LE threatened to leak to the general population that you may have been responsible for the disappearance/assumed murder of little Haliegh so that they could then exact a little rough prison justice upon you - Yeah, so what? Don't you watch Law and Order? CSI? Or any other popular show? Was this tactic really surprising to you? Everybody knows this is a ruse used by LE to put pressure on a suspect. SO what? What LE threatens when they have you sweating it out in the box is not what they are going to do. Did they throw you in the wolves and say "here ya go boys, sick him!"? Have you been harmed? Have you been beaten with rubber hoses?

Thought not.

However, we have the right to basic human rights, and if the air condioning is not working, then it needs to be fixed and it shouldn't have to take this for it to get done, its Florida, its hot, just because you are in there for selling pills or getting caught with weed and have to serve a few months does not mean you deserve to die, which could happen if someone overheated, or had a medical condition.

As for Tommys Lawyer, its always been Werter, and that has not changed. The only thing that caused a few ripples was that Werter said he would not be representing Tommy in reguards to the HaLeigh Cummings stuff, but he was going to be representing him on his other criminal charges. I wonder if some think if Tommy is charged Werter would not represent him? I took it as Werter saying, he was going to be active in all other of Tommys messes, but theres nothing to represent him on when it comes to HaLeigh, he has not been charged, but it sounds like he is stepping in about Tommy getting harassed about this case, and if this is all true, then its a pretty big deal.

 

[Emeralgem]

I have posted with most of you for way over a year now and for the most part have respected ALL thoughts and opinions concerning this case, but in reference to myself I have never been convinced LE has ever really wanted this case solved or the person who is really responsible for whatever happened to Haleigh brought to justice....IMHO..Entirely too too much focus has been placed on anyone and everyone other than the person who is truly responsible....Same goes for his family... No pressure has ever been applied to anyone in his family...And this has been the case for over sixteen months now...JMO

 

[john's mom]

LE doesn't have to plant words in general pop about TC. RC has already done that. I suspect TC is getting harassed endlessly and rc is enjoying every minute of it. rc will not harm TC as that would put rc in prison for life. He has already told everyone that tc is the killer of his baby girl and tc does not get a moments' peace.

This is PCSO's last chance to find out what happened. TC is their only hope. His attorney has said that TC is NOT culpable but knows what happened. RC will never talk and had lawyered up from the beginning and has given nothing to LE....never will..thus, LE is going to come down on TC hard...it's really all they have.

BBM: If he truly does know what happened, why why why won't he tell the truth and be done with it? How long has it been now? He lost his wife and kids. His whole family has been behind bars, (except TiC) with him and Misty looking like they will be there for years. Now he claims he's afraid for his life. If he knows the truth, he should just say it instead of playing all these games. Wouldn't his lawyer encourage this?

Cry all you want Tommy. If you know what happened, just tell the truth for once. :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead: