Tommy Croslin claims mistreatment in Putman Jail per Att

[Kat]

I haven't posted on this thread just read.

IMHO if he has a valid complaint then by all means have it investigated.

If it proves to be valid then he can take measures against the jail...etc.

If proves not to be valid, then oh well, he needs to quit complaining.

I do have compassion. I'm sorry he made life choices up until this moment in his life that has cost him everything.

But those were his choices to make.

I want to see more coverage about Haleigh. Good luck to him and hopefully he will find resolution to his complaints (if they are valid complaints). I have no way of knowing at this point in time if his complaints are valid or not.

(This post is just landing randomly and not pointed at any post made prior to this one in this thread).

JMHO.

 

[krkrjx]

Has it occurred to anyone else that most people would follow the thoughts that are being posted here? That most people by now would not believe a thing that Tommy says and that is why they think that they can get away with doing what they did?

(snipped to save space)

I agree they might have thought it would be easy to get away with something given TC is a proven liar. I am all for LE being prosecuted or whatever if TC's charges are proven to be true. However, I would require proof beyond a reasonable doubt, just as any jury would require proof beyond a reasonable doubt if they were sitting for justice for Haleigh. In short...LE may have believed that circumstances being what they are might allow them to get away with a crime--just like TC (and MC/RC/whoever else was involved) may have believed that circumstances being what they were would allow them to get away with a crime.

For TC to prevail against LE, TC has the burden of proof. Just as LE and the state have burden of proof against the perps responsible for Haleigh's demise. If either side can prove their claims, by all means they should do so.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Has it occurred to anyone else that most people would follow the thoughts that are being posted here? That most people by now would not believe a thing that Tommy says and that is why they think that they can get away with doing what they did?

As I said, I tend to believe what Tommy says. Reason one for that would be that a simple release of the video of that interrogation would answer all the questions as to what was said and asked and how he was treated.

Reason two is the lame statement made by Ryan that PCSO looked into the allegations and found something improper but are not saying what exactly and that the investigation is done. I would think that with the attention that the Haleigh case has on it and the attention that the people involved have been getting that PCSO would want to avoid the very thought of impropriety and have an outside agency look into the charges that Tommy is making thru his attorney.

I'm sad to say I tend to believe Tommy on this one too (It's about the only thing I believe outta him). What I read in the link above is in my experience pretty typical LE tactics to get people to talk. Though I don't think they should have charges pressed against 'em if that's all they have done. If they put their hands on him then I'd feel differently.

 

[seeking truth]

As per your request, I am quoting you completely.

The bolded part where I said "he's their prisoner", I meant, he is PCSO's prisoner officially, not St Johns County SO's prisoner, who was housing him for PCSO. Nothing more, nothing less. He is Putnam County's prisoner.

Hi, Aksleuth, Wow, when I see it written that way it sure makes me sound pompous. I apologize for coming across that way. Yuck! (I responded to you in the other Tommy/hearing thread and am so glad that here, at Websleuths, we can all keep on discussing, despite our personal differences and quirks!)

Sorry to make more of the "he's their prisoner" statement than was meant by you. The concept conjured up awful pictures in my mind, but much more related to our prisoners of war and what SOME in the military have done to abuse their powers.

PLEASE, I am not trying to open up another can of worms with everyone here.

If anyone wants to remind me that I should quit while I'm (sort of) ahead, I'll understand.

As always everything here is just my OPINION.

 

[4Jacy]

Just to add something to your statement, which I agree with. Ronald has a member of the PCSO taking good care of him while he is in the
Putnam jail. I don't think I can say the LE person's name but he is always in contact with Ronald and taking him out for smokes and telling him whatever he finds out about the HaLeigh investigation. I know this for a fact, not rumor.

And does his last name begin with M? And why is he sharing info?

 

[The_Flashlight]

I have no sympathy for any of the Croslin family.

 

[badme102]

I have posted with most of you for way over a year now and for the most part have respected ALL thoughts and opinions concerning this case, but in reference to myself I have never been convinced LE has ever really wanted this case solved or the person who is really responsible for whatever happened to Haleigh brought to justice....IMHO..Entirely too too much focus has been placed on anyone and everyone other than the person who is truly responsible....Same goes for his family... No pressure has ever been applied to anyone in his family...And this has been the case for over sixteen months now...JMO

Emeralgem, you know that I totally hate to disagree with you, but I have to completely disagree with the BBM parts.

(the next part of my post is in 'general' and not directed at you)

I think I finally "get" why so many people are angry, frustrated and upset with Tommy's accusations towards LE. (which I think are a bunch of crap, by the way)...Many here, INCLUDING ME, want Ron's involvement to come to light in what happened to precious Haleigh.

Maybe some don't understand how LE works, the tactics they use, the strategic moves they make, and yes the LIES they tell, in order to solve a crime of this magnitude. OF COURSE they want the right person punished for this crime.

LE are human beings. They only have information, evidence and statements from those involved in the case. They have to have solid proof in order to bring charges that will stand and bring a conviction.

Anyone that knows me from the Haleigh threads, knows who I think the perpetrator(s) of this crime are, and I haven't changed my mind or wavered one single bit. I just wish that everyone could envision that this was THEIR own child, and stop to think what you would have LE do in your situation, to bring forth the truth and justice for your child.

You know what I would want LE to do if it were my child? ANYTHING!

 

[badme102]

The only time an attorney HAS to be there is if you want one and you are charged with the crime. To my kge, he has not been charged with anything regarding Haleigh. My understanding is that LE can bring you in for questioning about a crime. Of course, if you don't want to talk, that is your right.

It sounds to me like LE did all the talking and TC didn't like what he heard.

There is no truer post than this one, Whisperer. LE CAN TALK to anyone they have in their system at any time they choose. Not question-talk. BIG difference. Tommy only has the right to an attorney during “interrogation”. If they aren’t “interrogating” him, there is no right to an attorney being present.

I really and truly think that the anger is coming from some thinking that because LE is leaning on Tommy MUST mean they think Ron is innocent. Well, it doesn't....Not even close.

I am quite shocked that anyone really cares about what big, bad LE is doing to poor, frightened, innocent Tommy.

He has knowledge of what happened to Haleigh Cummings and has lied about it for months and months!! Why is that being forgotten?

 

[badme102]

The way I’m looking at Tommy Croslin’s situation, he has a lot more to fear from the actions of his own attorney than he has from LE. IMO, something’s simply not right with Werter’s actions. If I remember correctly, chronologically Werter’s representation of Tommy has gone down something in this order:

-Werter becomes Tommy’s attorney of record. I’m not sure how that came about.

-Werter wanted Tommy to take a polygraph.

-Tommy failed the polygraph.

-Werter tells AH that he no longer represents Tommy in matters regarding Haleigh’s investigation.

-Tommy asks Lindsey, through Granny Flo, to have his attorney come see him right away. He has something to tell him.

-Werter shows up at the jail with Crystal Sheffield’s private investigator to hear what Tommy has to say.

-Even though his client had proven he was a liar, without verifying any aspect of Tommy’s story, Werter IMMEDIATELY places Tommy in front of the PCSO, FDLE, and FBI to tell his story! Within 24 hours Tommy was at the dock with investigators.

-Within 36 hours, the search at Shell Harbor was underway, the PI was all over the media claiming he had solved the case, and Werter was on national media placing his client at the scene of the crime and pretty much acknowledging his participation at some level.

-The search fizzled out.

-Werter allows Tommy to plead guilty to his charges without a deal. How could Werter even remotely consider it being in his client’s best interests to plead guilty with no deal on the table? If you have no deal, you don’t know what the prosecutor is going to recommend, or how the judge is leaning.

-Now, before sentence can even be imposed for the guilty plea, Werter has decided to file a Complaint alleging improper conduct on the part of LE! If LE is now pizzed at Tommy, and I’m sure they are, then the prosecutors are angry at Tommy. This could easily rub off and don’t be surprised if the judge is also angry at Tommy. How do you like Tommy’s chances for a favorable sentencing recommendation NOW?

In what may be his crowning coup de gras, Werter shows up on JVL last week and proclaimed that Tommy was not guilty of FELONY murder! As in the door’s wide open for other forms of murder charges? Tommy Croslin might be well served to open his eyes.

The very ones he’s presently slamming with this new Motion may actually be his ONLY true friends.

I love you Papa. :blowkiss: :angel:

 

[badme102]

I think if LE wants to talk about the weather, and TC request his attorney, they have to comply!

Not true, Maryann.

 

[Whisperer]

Oh my, thank you OLG, ahhhh...the memories! Those floors, doors and walls never leave your mind. Some inmates still looking good...one, not so much! Their Health Care is top notch. They used to transfer them to the best hospitals around when surgery was needed. I imagine they still do. There was always over crowding but it was in the general pop area where there was no mental or physical dx. Some dorms contained 150 inmates (it was a gym). Dorms in the mental health areas were more like 20. Mental Health means drug, alcohol and the regular run of the mill mental dx. Most inmates had double cells though.

 

[dodie20]

Oh my, thank you OLG, ahhhh...the memories! Those floors, doors and walls never leave your mind. Some inmates still looking good...one, not so much! Their Health Care is top notch. They used to transfer them to the best hospitals around when surgery was needed. I imagine they still do. There was always over crowding but it was in the general pop area where there was no mental or physical dx. Some dorms contained 150 inmates (it was a gym). Dorms in the mental health areas were more like 20. Mental Health means drug, alcohol and the regular run of the mill mental dx. Most inmates had double cells though.

well, as discontent as some of these inmates are, I've gotta hand it to them. They look dang GOOD for their ages. I think we've found the fountain of youth, lol...but what a trade off.

 

[suspicious1]

well, as discontent as some of these inmates are, I've gotta hand it to them. They look dang GOOD for their ages. I think we've found the fountain of youth, lol...but what a trade off.

Dodie, you are too funny!

 

[4Jacy]

There is no truer post than this one, Whisperer. LE CAN TALK to anyone they have in their system at any time they choose. Not question-talk. BIG difference. Tommy only has the right to an attorney during “interrogation”. If they aren’t “interrogating” him, there is no right to an attorney being present.

I really and truly think that the anger is coming from some thinking that because LE is leaning on Tommy MUST mean they think Ron is innocent. Well, it doesn't....Not even close.

I am quite shocked that anyone really cares about what big, bad LE is doing to poor, frightened, innocent Tommy.

He has knowledge of what happened to Haleigh Cummings and has lied about it for months and months!! Why is that being forgotten?

BBM

Yeah, I don't give a rat's head either!

 

[lonetraveler]

Perhaps, in this country, if justice was expediated, we would have less crime. It makes me sick to think of poor Laci Peterson and her baby and that
Scott sits in prison, living off tax payers money after all this time. Where the h ll is justice?!
Jail is not a spa. Jail is jail. Prisoners aren't supposed to be pampered. If they don't like it perhaps they could be law abiding citizens.

ITA, I believe that the whole idea of putting someone into prison is for punishment, in other words, a prisoner is not suppose to like it!!!!!!!

 

[smart blonde]

Here is another good one..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alcK_QBE7h8&feature=related

Excellent, informative video- it really opened my eyes.
Thank you for posting it, O.L.G.

 

[Missingmeds]

BBM

Yeah, I don't give a rat's head either!

My Nosy Nell, a fancy rat that shares my desk and abode, says to leave the rats out of this ya'll. Even she thinks that Ron is just wrong.

She looks like the one pictured.

 

[4Jacy]

My Nosy Nell, a fancy rat that shares my desk and abode, says to leave the rats out of this ya'll. Even she thinks that Ron is just wrong.

She looks like the one pictured.

Sooo CUTE!!

 

[Whisperer]

Excellent, informative video- it really opened my eyes.
Thank you for posting it, O.L.G.

That very first guy on the video was the last inmate I spoke to before leaving the place....His crime makes me furious.:furious:

 

[Kat]

My Nosy Nell, a fancy rat that shares my desk and abode, says to leave the rats out of this ya'll. Even she thinks that Ron is just wrong.

She looks like the one pictured.

awww thanks for the picture missingmeds! Sorry for the off topic but my boys kept rats as pets and they were the cleanest, sweetest animals.