Tragedy at Ohio state fair, 1 dead, 5 critical on fire ball ride, 26 July 2017

[Elainera]

Cariis said above that fatigue fractures take a long time to develop/increase. If this ride was just set up a day prior how did nobody see this crack? I would assume people look at the parts they are about to put up? It wouldn't surprise me if we hear that the owners had been informed of the potential danger but decided to postpone changing the old part(s). jmo

 

[ninij9]

Cariis said above that fatigue fractures take a long time to develop/increase. If this ride was just set up a day prior how did nobody see this crack? I would assume people look at the parts they are about to put up? It wouldn't surprise me if we hear that the owners had been informed of the potential danger but decided to postpone changing the old part(s). jmo

How knowledgeable are the hands putting the rides together? Are they hired day workers? Or have they travelled with ride from place to place and know what to look for? I would start there maybe. Jmo.

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[ninij9]

[video=cnn;us/2017/07/27/ohio-state-fair-ride-accident-orig-vstop-fsc-orig.cnn]http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/27/us/ohio-state-fair-ride-disaster/index.html[/video]

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[Betty P]

Ohio State Fair Ride That Malfunctioned Had Service Bulletin For Structural Fatigue Cracking

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http://www.columbusnavigator.com/ohio-state-fair-ride-malfunction/

Bumping your earlier post, OSU. Could this be the test that was required to detect these kinds of crack? The manufacturer spells out a very specific inspection process to detect any metal fatigue.

 

[watcher9]

I may have missed it but was this the first ride of the night or had the ride been in operation earlier in the day?

 

[Betty P]

Ohio has more amusement rides than ever but the number of inspectors hasn't increased


http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/07/ohio_has_more_amusement_rides.html

In 2001, the ride inspection division had 11 employees and averaged 2,000 inspections annually.

Department Director David Daniels said Wednesday the department now oversees about 4,300 pieces of amusement equipment including traveling attractions, permanent park rides, water slides and inflatable structures. It issued permits to 3,762 amusement rides in 2015.

They now have 8 inspectors and 1 chief inspector.

So the state of Ohio is doing twice the number of inspections for rides with fewer inspectors than they had in 2001. Contracting it out is not a solution, either. It costs more money and provides poorer quality and no accountability.

 

[Spellbound]

Cariis said above that fatigue fractures take a long time to develop/increase. If this ride was just set up a day prior how did nobody see this crack? I would assume people look at the parts they are about to put up? It wouldn't surprise me if we hear that the owners had been informed of the potential danger but decided to postpone changing the old part(s). jmo

I was talking about this with DH earlier and he said stress fractures or "fatigue fractures" would not likely be seen by the naked eye. Things such as paint, dirt, oil, etc. can mask the fracture. According to him, it can only (?) be determined by x-ray or magnetic testing.

Here is an article on Magnetic Particle Testing: http://tspndt.com/non-destructive-testing-industrial-supplies-blog/what-is-magnetic-particle-testing

Although I did not find anything about x-ray type tests here, this is the Laws & Rules Governing Amusement Rides in Ohio:
http://www.agri.ohio.gov/divs/Rides/docs/Revised Ridebook.pdf
Main page with more links: http://www.agri.ohio.gov/rides/

 

[JanetElaine]

I was talking about this with DH earlier and he said stress fractures or "fatigue fractures" would not likely be seen by the naked eye. Things such as paint, dirt, oil, etc. can mask the fracture. According to him, it can only (?) be determined by x-ray or magnetic testing.

Here is an article on Magnetic Particle Testing: http://tspndt.com/non-destructive-testing-industrial-supplies-blog/what-is-magnetic-particle-testing

Although I did not find anything about x-ray type tests here, this is the Laws & Rules Governing Amusement Rides in Ohio:
http://www.agri.ohio.gov/divs/Rides/docs/Revised Ridebook.pdf
Main page with more links: http://www.agri.ohio.gov/rides/

bbm

I swear I remember reading somewhere that that is the exact testing that was recommended. I'll see if I can find it again.

 

[JanetElaine]

Bumping your earlier post, OSU. Could this be the test that was required to detect these kinds of crack? The manufacturer spells out a very specific inspection process to detect any metal fatigue.

Ha, catching up backwards. That's what I was remembering. Repeating link that BettyP was replying to: http://www.columbusnavigator.com/ohio-state-fair-ride-malfunction/

 

[osu]

"The company that makes the ride, KMG, is Dutch. The ride that broke apart was built in 1998. A KMG news release from 2010 shows an update to the Fire Ball with a redesigned arm that holds the seat gondola to it with steel plates and bolts. It also shows an updated restraint system with a lap bar instead of the shoulder bars that are on the ride that failed. KMG has not responded to emails and telephone calls seeking comment."

http://www.dispatch.com/news/201707...crack-on-rides-arm-grew-to-catastrophic-break

BBM

 

[osu]

All Service Bulletins for Fireball (KMG)

http://caresofficials.org/bulletins-for-device/fireball-(kmg)

 

[Spellbound]

All Service Bulletins for Fireball (KMG)

http://caresofficials.org/bulletins-for-device/fireball-(kmg)

'Thanks .... this is a helpful find. not that I understand too well, but makes me feel even less confident in the safety of rides.

 

[gregjrichards]

"An injured victim aboard the malfunctioned Ohio State fair ride has spoken out about the tragedy that took the life of 18-year-old aspiring Marine Tyler Jarrell.
Abdihakim Hussein, 19, was sitting alongside his girlfriend, Hannah Sallee in the car next to the one that divided in air during the freak accident Wednesday.

Hussein and Sallee were originally sitting in the car that came apart, but were relocated just minutes prior to the start of the Fire Ball ride.

'My whole life just flashed in front of me,' Hussein recalled of the moment. 'It started going faster, then it started going higher. That's when it hit the ride, like 'boom!'

Hussein said during the sit-down interview with CBS, the memory from the day is 'like a nightmare come true' for everyone involved, and those related to the victims."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-recounts-nightmare-mishap.html#ixzz4oGJjJYvk

 

[Betty P]

All Service Bulletins for Fireball (KMG)

http://caresofficials.org/bulletins-for-device/fireball-(kmg)

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't these service bulletins and the detailed inspections for them be the responsibility of the owner, not the state inspectors?

Wouldn't part of the state inspection process include asking the owner to provide documentation certifying that he has complied with all the service bulletins?

 

[Betty P]

"The company that makes the ride, KMG, is Dutch. The ride that broke apart was built in 1998. A KMG news release from 2010 shows an update to the Fire Ball with a redesigned arm that holds the seat gondola to it with steel plates and bolts. It also shows an updated restraint system with a lap bar instead of the shoulder bars that are on the ride that failed. KMG has not responded to emails and telephone calls seeking comment."

http://www.dispatch.com/news/201707...crack-on-rides-arm-grew-to-catastrophic-break

BBM

As long as KMG notified the owners of the rides of inspections, etc. I don't see where they're to blame.

Focus should be on the company that owns the ride and is responsible for it's maintenance. For example, if I buy a Ford auto and fail to maintain it properly and kill someone as a result, it's not Ford's fault, it's mine.

 

[1&2&3]

The owners will need proof that they did correct everything that was sent out by KMG, the. Manufacturer of The Fireball

Now this is where the subject can take many different turns. KMG may have notified each purchaser of The Fireball. Since they are a Dutch company, I would imagine this ride is scattered around the world. The big question will be how did each owner respond upon receiving this Service Bulletin?

Naturally, the only one of interest to us, is who owned this Fireball at the time the Service Bulletins were received? And, what, if anything, was done in complying with the notice?

Did I read it somewhere that the owners of the group running this Ohio State amusement rides were not the first owners of The Fireball? Perhaps I dreamed it! However it goes, my mind cannot imagine a small time operator forking out the big bucks for a brand new carnival ride. Just isn't going to happen, IMO. How many times has this ride been sold?

Just a thought - years ago as my children were about to outgrow the little kiddie rides of these carnivals that come to town, I noticed how scummy, sleazy, and poorly these workers talked. Also, I kept seeing that things weren't properly attached down, hooked together, or it was jimmy-rigged together. That was it, our trips to these places where accidents were waiting to happen didn't get our business any longer.

 

[gregjrichards]

Thank you to all of you for posting news and information relating to this tragedy I'm really interested to know how this happened and what will be done to try and prevent future tragedies.

The video is still horrific it's very difficult to see the last moments of Tyler's life before your eyes.

 

[loveisthemovement]

It would be interesting to know why Tyler and his girlfriend came out of their seats when their car became detached from the arm and why the other two riders didn't. That is an entirely separate issue to me than the arm separating from the ride.

 

[Satch]

The owners will need proof that they did correct everything that was sent out by KMG, the. Manufacturer of The Fireball

Now this is where the subject can take many different turns. KMG may have notified each purchaser of The Fireball. Since they are a Dutch company, I would imagine this ride is scattered around the world. The big question will be how did each owner respond upon receiving this Service Bulletin?

Naturally, the only one of interest to us, is who owned this Fireball at the time the Service Bulletins were received? And, what, if anything, was done in complying with the notice?

Did I read it somewhere that the owners of the group running this Ohio State amusement rides were not the first owners of The Fireball? Perhaps I dreamed it! However it goes, my mind cannot imagine a small time operator forking out the big bucks for a brand new carnival ride. Just isn't going to happen, IMO. How many times has this ride been sold?

Just a thought - years ago as my children were about to outgrow the little kiddie rides of these carnivals that come to town, I noticed how scummy, sleazy, and poorly these workers talked. Also, I kept seeing that things weren't properly attached down, hooked together, or it was jimmy-rigged together. That was it, our trips to these places where accidents were waiting to happen didn't get our business any longer.

I read that this ride had been used at other state fairs. I mean, this Fireball that malfunctioned. But does anyone know how many? I would assume that when the fair is over, all of the rides come down. The transportation of these rides going across towns, through heat, rain, humidity, and other weather elements has to take it's tool on all parts of the machine. In contrast, an amusement park like Disney to my knowledge is only closed late at night..

Six Flags is open many months at a time, but several days not so., Here is a calendar showing months and hours:

https://www.sixflags.com/greatamerica/plan-your-visit/park-operating-schedule

This shows that they would have ample time off-season to inspect rides and as I understand it the rides are not physically moved from town to town like in a fair show. I wonder where Six Flags and Disney store rides or equipment on rides that needs to be stored? You wonder if state fairs should stick to common food items, judging contests, and simple Midway games? But some would say "that goes too far." Accidents on rides can always happen. However, you have to have the qualified training of everyone involved from the operators, to inspectors, to security, to maintenance and structural engineers to make that risk as small as possible. What are the training regiments for personnel at Disney and Six Flags theme parks? If money is an issue, and fairs can't hire qualified personal inspectors from the ground to the top, I would have to say, don't do the fair rides. Don't put lives and safety at risk, using incompetent hands.

Satch

 

[Spellbound]

Thank you to all of you for posting news and information relating to this tragedy I'm really interested to know how this happened and what will be done to try and prevent future tragedies.

The video is still horrific it's very difficult to see the last moments of Tyler's life before your eyes.

I feel the same way. The last ride I ever did was just a ferries wheel, but even then it started to make me question how well the nuts and bolts and pulleys would stay attached. I am a scaredy cat, for sure. But this particular accident had me totally capture in understanding what went wrong. Maybe it is because we have seen the actual footage so clearly and our compassionate nature took over. It will take a very long time, if ever, for that image of people flying off the ride to go away. How the young lady survived, I don't know.

It would be interesting to know why Tyler and his girlfriend came out of their seats when their car became detached from the arm and why the other two riders didn't. That is an entirely separate issue to me than the arm separating from the ride.

Yes, that is an excellent question