Trayvon's injuries, per the leaked autopsy report

[jjenny]

I thought I was on the wrong thread. This is the 'Trayvon Martin injuries' thread?

So Trayvon had a few scrapes to knuckle/s left hand and a bullet wound to his chest? Is that all?

A scrape below one knuckle and a bullet wound to the chest, apparently.

 

[LambChop]

I thought I was on the wrong thread. This is the 'Trayvon Martin injuries' thread?

So Trayvon had a few scrapes to knuckle/s left hand and a bullet wound to his chest? Is that all?

Well, it was one abrasion, 1/4 inch long to his LEFT finger under the knuckle and the bullet wound to the chest. That's it. jmo

 

[Neige]

Here is a clip from this morning's Today Show:

http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/47458356#47458356

while the multipage autopsy is sealed by court order , nbc news was given access to read it. it says, in part, the teenager was killed by a penetrating gunshot wound to the chest, the entrance wound located on his left chest 17 inches below the head. the single bullet passed directly from the front to the back, through his lungs, creating perforations. the only injuries to trayvon martin are from the gunshot and to one knuckle, a quarter inch to one-eighth inch abrasion on the fourth finger in the ring area. trayvon's gunshot wound entrance of intermediate range. how close was that? the medical examiner's report says there was a soot ring abrasion and a two-inch by two-inch area of stippling. this is a gunshot residue expert and the chief medical examiner in bekxar, texas.

"it's emerging from the muzzle of the gun. based on the size of the pattern, the range was most likely between two and four inches."

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Thanks for the link Neige!

:welcome:

wm

 

[jjenny]

Here is a clip from this morning's Today Show:

http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/47458356#47458356

while the multipage autopsy is sealed by court order , nbc news was given access to read it. it says, in part, the teenager was killed by a penetrating gunshot wound to the chest, the entrance wound located on his left chest 17 inches below the head. the single bullet passed directly from the front to the back, through his lungs, creating perforations. the only injuries to trayvon martin are from the gunshot and to one knuckle, a quarter inch to one-eighth inch abrasion on the fourth finger in the ring area. trayvon's gunshot wound entrance of intermediate range. how close was that? the medical examiner's report says there was a soot ring abrasion and a two-inch by two-inch area of stippling. this is a gunshot residue expert and the chief medical examiner in bekxar, texas.

"it's emerging from the muzzle of the gun. based on the size of the pattern, the range was most likely between two and four inches."

Between two and four inches? That is a very close range, even if they are calling it "intermediate."

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Here is a clip from this morning's Today Show:

http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/47458356#47458356

while the multipage autopsy is sealed by court order , nbc news was given access to read it. it says, in part, the teenager was killed by a penetrating gunshot wound to the chest, the entrance wound located on his left chest 17 inches below the head. the single bullet passed directly from the front to the back, through his lungs, creating perforations. the only injuries to trayvon martin are from the gunshot and to one knuckle, a quarter inch to one-eighth inch abrasion on the fourth finger in the ring area. trayvon's gunshot wound entrance of intermediate range. how close was that? the medical examiner's report says there was a soot ring abrasion and a two-inch by two-inch area of stippling. this is a gunshot residue expert and the chief medical examiner in bekxar, texas.

"it's emerging from the muzzle of the gun. based on the size of the pattern, the range was most likely between two and four inches."

BBM
If there's a soot ring, it sounds more like a close range shot. JMO.

GUNSHOT WOUNDS

Definitions:
Fouling: Soot, residue of completely burned powder, dust-like, wipes off
Stippling (tattooing): Unburned powder and debris, causing punctate abrasions on target. Larger and heavier so travels farther. Does not wipe off.
Margin of abrasion: Characteristic of enterance wound but can be seen in shored exit.


Range of Fire:
Contact: muzzle of gun touches target
- Tight: fouling in tissue, muzzle stamp
- Loose: fouling on skin and in tissue, searing
Close: <6" Stippling & Fouling
Intermediate: 6-30" Stippling
Distant: >30" Neither
(Distances approximate and depend on many variables. For accurate assessment need to test fire weapon with ammunition used.)

http://www.pathologyexpert.com/boards/forensics/gsw.htm

 

[cityslick]

Is the photo taken the one that only shows the back of GZ's head or are there frontal photos also, since that is where the majority of injuries are located?

Article said it was a frontal picture because it said it showed his bloody nose. But it was taken by a cell phone, which is mind boggling to me.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...tin-had-injuries-to-his-knuckles-report-says/


Trayvon Martin Shooting: Autopsy results found Martin had injuries to his knuckles, report says


A responder at the crime scene told CBS News that he and others saw wounds on the knuckles of one of Martin's hands as he lay dead on this lawn. This suggests that Martin had thrown a punch.

BBM - there are those plural words again.

ETA: This article was just posted about 2 minutes ago.

 

[HiHater]

It's crazy that we've been waiting for facts so that we don't have to speculate.

Then we get facts in a manner that still leads us to speculate...

This is great though...

 

[cityslick]

It's crazy that we've been waiting for facts so that we don't have to speculate.

Then we get facts in a manner that still leads us to speculate...

This is great though...

I knew the TM injury aspect was going to be debated no matter what he had because I honestly believe you can argue both sides no matter what.

 

[LambChop]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...tin-had-injuries-to-his-knuckles-report-says/


Trayvon Martin Shooting: Autopsy results found Martin had injuries to his knuckles, report says


A responder at the crime scene told CBS News that he and others saw wounds on the knuckles of one of Martin's hands as he lay dead on this lawn. This suggests that Martin had thrown a punch.

BBM - there are those plural words again.

ETA: This article was just posted about 2 minutes ago.

I tend to think the responder information is false because medics would lose their jobs for releasing information to the media. I'm more inclinded to believe the ME's report. Plus TM was lying on his hands and could have had blood on his hands from his chest wound giving someone???? the impression that TM had injuries to his hands.

I also have to wonder how all these witnesses were able to get so close to the body while LE was trying to give him CPR. Did SPD allow for a free for all with people who were just standing around in the dark???? What about the integrity of the crime scene? I really think some of the media sites will print just about anything. lol

 

[Dr.Fessel]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...tin-had-injuries-to-his-knuckles-report-says/


Trayvon Martin Shooting: Autopsy results found Martin had injuries to his knuckles, report says


A responder at the crime scene told CBS News that he and others saw wounds on the knuckles of one of Martin's hands as he lay dead on this lawn. This suggests that Martin had thrown a punch.

BBM - there are those plural words again.

ETA: This article was just posted about 2 minutes ago.

Wonder how they saw those in the dark with his hands underneath him or after they rolled him over and giving cpr the back of his hands would be down.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Shot him right in the heart.

Details from Trayvon Martin's autopsy show the bullet entered the left side of his chest and shattered the ventricle, one of his heart's two large chambers but the round did not leave his body.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...tin-had-injuries-to-his-knuckles-report-says/

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Blown ventricle with a 9mm hollow point, he never stood up, he never said a word, he never turned around and fell down. IMO

 

[Elley Mae]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...tin-had-injuries-to-his-knuckles-report-says/


Trayvon Martin Shooting: Autopsy results found Martin had injuries to his knuckles, report says


A responder at the crime scene told CBS News that he and others saw wounds on the knuckles of one of Martin's hands as he lay dead on this lawn. This suggests that Martin had thrown a punch.

BBM - there are those plural words again.

ETA: This article was just posted about 2 minutes ago.

I have also read it both ways.bbm
http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/autopsy-results-show-trayvon-martin-had-injuries-h/nN6gs/

The injury to Martin’s knuckle also fits with Zimmerman's story that before he shot and killed Martin, Martin had broken his nose and knocked him to the ground, slamming his head on the sidewalk.

But Sheaffer said there could be another explanation for Martin's knuckle injury.

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

I tend to think the responder information is false because medics would lose their jobs for releasing information to the media. I'm more inclinded to believe the ME's report. Plus TM was lying on his hands and could have had blood on his hands from his chest wound giving someone???? the impression that TM had injuries to his hands.

I also have to wonder how all these witnesses were able to get so close to the body while LE was trying to give him CPR. Did SPD allow for a free for all with people who were just standing around in the dark???? What about the integrity of the crime scene? I really think some of the media sites will print just about anything. lol

BBM--I completely agree. I work in an industry where HIPPA regs are drilled into us day in and day out. I would be fired in a flash where I to violate.

And I can't see how they had a clean crime scene with everything going on either.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I guess it's now safe to say (as I have known all along) that the congresswoman was WRONG when she told JVM that TM had a broken nose.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I guess it's now safe to say (as I have known all along) that the congresswoman was WRONG when she told JVM that TM had a broken nose.

Who knows, Trayvon never had the chance to go to a Dr. the next day and tell him about his complaints and show him all the swelling and bruising his body produced in the mean time and then let the Dr. guess at what was wrong with his nose.

 

[K_Z]

Blown ventricle with a 9mm hollow point, he never stood up, he never said a word, he never turned around and fell down. IMO

Yup. Instantaneous loss of BP. Never had a chance. No way CPR could do anything. Even if that injury occurred in an ER, that injury is not survivable. Not even with a cardiopulmonary bypass machine ready and waiting. Pretty sad deal.

(That is, if the mainstream media article "fact" is accurate. And accuracy has been a real problem the past few days, it seems.)

I'm still interested to see the autopsy report, though I've been pretty confident what the the AR would say about the intrathoracic damage.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Yup. Instantaneous loss of BP. Never had a chance. No way CPR could do anything. Even if that injury occurred in an ER, that injury is not survivable. Not even with a cardiopulmonary bypass machine ready and waiting. Pretty sad deal.

(That is, if the mainstream media article "fact" is accurate. And accuracy has been a real problem the past few days, it seems.)

I'm still interested to see the autopsy report, though I've been pretty confident what the the AR would say about the intrathoracic damage.

I am interested in finding out where the bullet ended up.