Trial break: The State vs Jodi Arias; trial resumes 4 February 2013

[Stolat]

Hi Stolat and welcome, although I feel weird welcoming you as I'm sorta new here myself.

You're right about the proxy, the accounts given by Jodi, etc. Unfortunately, although much "could" have been done in the way of computer forensics, I don't think much "was" done. As far as I can tell, TA's home/work computer was gone through pretty well and some phone records were, surprisingly, dug up and put to good use. Otherwise, I think there is a lot we're never going to know about who was using whose computer.

Deanna Reed, as far as I know, is a friend to whom he willed his dog. When her name came up today regarding the laptop, someone brought up that she could have been the previous owner or she could have set the laptop up for him if he wasn't tech savvy enough to do it himself.

Thanks for your insight into this subject. :rocker:

Good point about Deanna Reed (or is it Reid?) being a potential previous owner and was retained as the computer name if unchanged.

Admittedly, today of all days I was unable to "plug in". And technology is my background do I would have been most interested in this part of testimony.

 

[manzana]

I did look, but I'm an idiot in this area so I need some additional explaining. I responded to your post with more questions but I think you missed it. See here:

So ... is the enclosure something that tests the internal hard drive? This hard drive was delivered to the witness by Mesa PD -- and it had already been tested by Mesa PD. So is the enclosure (and parts) something that Mesa PD might have used to test the hard drive?

Also - am I correct that he is talking about an internal hard drive from a lap top?

I sure did miss it.... Like I said I have an enclosure, probably not a whole lot of other people do other than those who work on computers. LE will have these, they will use these to make a mirror image of a hard drive They are super cheap because no hard drive is included. You can get them for as cheap as 15 bucks I am surprised Travis would have one but that is where the second internal drive comes from, You would not buy one if you did not have a drive to put in it.

Only reason I could see Travis having one is he hard an extra laptop hard drive and figured to put it to use or maybe had data on it and wanted to keep that data so then buying a cheap enclose makes sense.

 

[JusticeJunkie]

Lots of good minds at work here. Thanks for sharing. Goodnight all.

 

[moonbird]

Welcome Moonbird!! I thought it odd that Wilmott kind of skipped over the time stamp information. He might have said he was unable to get that information. IMO Someone who goes through another's computer is on the same level as a creep who goes through a woman's underwear drawer!

thank you for the warm welcome, and response!

willmott asked the witness, mr. dworkin (??), if he could see a time stamp on the photos; he said he could and that they came with the photo (not exact words).. i am wondering because jodi would know her way around the settings of a digital camera and could easily change the date signature (time stamp). or the time stamp is indicative of when the photo was uploaded to the hard drive.. i would like to know, even though i don't believe that the photos have any significance whatsoever.. mostly just curious about trying to suss out why they're taking this particular detour.

and they didn't get the broken hard drive until 2012? where was it before then? who submitted it to the computer forensic guy (dworkin!).

my apologies if the answers are readily available.. i'm on information overload..

 

[minor4th]

I sure did miss it.... Like I said I have an enclosure, probably not a whole lot of other people do other than those who work on computers. LE will have these, they will use these to make a mirror image of a hard drive They are super cheap because no hard drive is included. You can get them for as cheap as 15 bucks I am surprised Travis would have one but that is where the second internal drive comes from, You would not buy one if you did not have a drive to put in it.

Only reason I could see Travis having one is he hard an extra laptop hard drive and figured to put it to use or maybe had data on it and wanted to keep that data so then buying a cheap enclose makes sense.

Ok .. and sorry, I know this subject is getting worn out, but I am really trying to understand.

Based on what you're saying - we're talking about an internal hard drive that would go inside a laptop.

We don't know who the owner of hard drive was, but I'm thinking that the enclosure came from Mesa PD and is what they used to test the hard drive when they did their testing, before they sent it over to this defense expert.

 

[Stolat]

I agree. We don't know where it came from at all, but initially everyone (including me) was assuming that it was from Travis' laptop because of the way the evidence and testimony were presented.

This may have been a hard drive from another of Travis' laptops, and if that's the case then it was sloppy lawyering because the defense did not elicit that information from the witness.

It's also possible that this was not from a laptop belonging to Travis, in which case it was an intentional attempt to mislead by implication. We don't know -- which is why I said it remains to be seen.

Indeed - sloppy or intentional.

Can you tell me if the jurors had any questions for the witness regarding these clarifications?

If not that tells me they were either are WAY more on the ball than we are and did not find this confusing at all, or the defense strategy worked and the significance of those lack of details were completely lost on them.

 

[minor4th]

I dont know what the dates are, but in the transcript (from past thread), the time stamp they were referring to is the date/time stamp of when the photos were actually taken. I think I read where the witness said he got the time stamp for some of the pics, but not all of them. I dont recall reading where he gave any speciifc values for any of them, but he may have in court. Just not sure.

He did not ...yet.

 

[minor4th]

Indeed - sloppy or intentional.

Can you tell me if the jurors had any questions for the witness regarding these clarifications?

If not that tells me they were either are WAY more on the ball than we are and did not find this confusing at all, or the defense strategy worked and the significance of those lack of details were completely lost on them.

It hasn't even gotten to the point where the jurors would be asking questions yet. The way it was left is there was an objection and a side bar and then court was adjourned until Monday. We don't even know if there was a ruling on the objection yet.

I believe the juror questions come after both sides have examined the witness.

 

[Sleuth13]

I am crying so hard I can hardly see to type right now! I don't even know where to begin, so I will try to keep it simple! My heart goes out to you and I know that's not enough bc I cannot begin to fathom the pain, the questions, the hell that must have put you through then and deal with daily now!!!

The way you carry yourself speaks volumes about your character!! I just thought you were a witty, well spoken, funny gal with great commentary but knowing the back story I'm 1,000 times more impressed and touched that you can find the strength to reach out and help others in their time of need!! I do so hope you get to work with TA's family and y'all can have each other to lean on!!

I'm still crying so I better go but thank you for having the courage to put all of that out here for the world to see! *UNBELIEVSBLE* Your strength is inspiring and it puts me in check to quit *****ing about the little things and be a better person!! Thank you for that!!

xoxo

Katie - I forgot to add that if there's ever anything we can do to help you and/or other victim's families (i.e. write letters) please let us know bc I'd be happy to help "get the bad guys" any way I can!!

 

[Stolat]

thank you for the warm welcome, and response!

willmott asked the witness, mr. dworkin (??), if he could see a time stamp on the photos; he said he could and that they came with the photo (not exact words).. i am wondering because jodi would know her way around the settings of a digital camera and could easily change the date signature (time stamp). or the time stamp is indicative of when the photo was uploaded to the hard drive.. i would like to know, even though i don't believe that the photos have any significance whatsoever.. mostly just curious about trying to suss out why they're taking this particular detour.

and they didn't get the broken hard drive until 2012? where was it before then? who submitted it to the computer forensic guy (dworkin!).

my apologies if the answers are readily available.. i'm on information overload..

The digital time stamp can be manipulated but not the meta data that is ecapsulated with the photo that would contain the actual time stamp regardless of what the user interface showed. Hopefully pros has already verified this. If not, they deserve to lose the case as it is forensics 101

 

[manzana]

Ok .. and sorry, I know this subject is getting worn out, but I am really trying to understand.

Based on what you're saying - we're talking about an internal hard drive that would go inside a laptop.

We don't know who the owner of hard drive was, but I'm thinking that the enclosure came from Mesa PD and is what they used to test the hard drive when they did their testing, before they sent it over to this defense expert.

Yes we are talking about two internal hard drives that would go in a laptop, one did come from Travis....the other an educated guess maybe an previous laptop Travis had before and wanted to preserve data from it.

 

[polleypockets]

I agree. We don't know where it came from at all, but initially everyone (including me) was assuming that it was from Travis' laptop because of the way the evidence and testimony were presented.

This may have been a hard drive from another of Travis' laptops, and if that's the case then it was sloppy lawyering because the defense did not elicit that information from the witness.

It's also possible that this was not from a laptop belonging to Travis, in which case it was an intentional attempt to mislead by implication. We don't know -- which is why I said it remains to be seen.

thats the problem - the defense just threw out the pics w/out proper procedure or any explanation of where they were from, but then thats the image the jury is going to go home w/ and think about for the next 3 days

 

[Steely Dan]

I went to bed because I don't feel well and missed this from News Junkie.

:laughcry:

 

[Laceybug]

I agree. We don't know where it came from at all, but initially everyone (including me) was assuming that it was from Travis' laptop because of the way the evidence and testimony were presented.

This may have been a hard drive from another of Travis' laptops, and if that's the case then it was sloppy lawyering because the defense did not elicit that information from the witness.

It's also possible that this was not from a laptop belonging to Travis, in which case it was an intentional attempt to mislead by implication. We don't know -- which is why I said it remains to be seen.

For all we know he could have ran over it in the street while he was backing out of the driveway and picked it up... brought it in the house to throw it away and didn't. He didnt mention a username associated with the drive (an external or flash drive doesnt work the way a laptop or desktop hard drive would) UNLESS they can prove that his name is associated in some way to the particular hard drive the information presented should be stricken from the record. It just makes sense that IF the DT had that information they would have pointed it out before she strategically placed those photos in front of smiley guy and conveniently forgot the numbers on them.
ok... I'm worn out.. bed time for this ol gal. Thanks everyone!
Good night... Sweet dreams.

 

[darcedarce]

I saw her in person and I don't think she looks healthy at all. In fact, if I saw her in an unrelated setting I'd wonder what her issues were. She is obviously very, very angry. And while that is understandable under the circumstances, I think the victims' rights advocate should help her deal with her anger if they are not. Travis isn't coming back and her anger about that is not positive for her as a person in her own right, imo.

She's at her brother's murder trial. What else can we expect ?

 

[katiecoolady]

I am crying so hard I can hardly see to type right now! I don't even know where to begin, so I will try to keep it simple! My heart goes out to you and I know that's not enough bc I cannot begin to fathom the pain, the questions, the hell that must have put you through then and deal with daily now!!!

The way you carry yourself speaks volumes about your character!! I just thought you were a witty, well spoken, funny gal with great commentary but knowing the back story I'm 1,000 times more impressed and touched that you can find the strength to reach out and help others in their time of need!! I do so hope you get to work with TA's family and y'all can have each other to lean on!!

I'm still crying so I better go but thank you for having the courage to put all of that out here for the world to see! *UNBELIEVSBLE* Your strength is inspiring and it puts me in check to quit *****ing about the little things and be a better person!! Thank you for that!!

xoxo

What an incredibly nice thing to say.

I will say, my family has been some kind of shining example of not just surviving this kind of horror but thriving. My brother, 2 years younger than me, cracked in to schizophrenia just after Cindy was killed. He had been having some problems but this pushed him over the edge (we lost our mother very young--he was just 3--and she was our "mother" esp him). He had been living in the hell of hallucinations and paranoia on disability etc for over 20 years UNTIL this last summer.

He had disappeared for the second time in a year, crashing his car in another state having gone off his meds etc etc. and I just said ENOUGH. I found him a program near me, moved him to AZ and I have to say in less than 8 months my brother is nearly 100% symptom free and is BACK. His sweet personality is back and he's not lost to me forever. if I was to write a book it would most definitely be about him. And ironically my Dad had some medical issues and needed surgery this Fall and my brother has been taking care of HIM! It's truly and sincerely a miracle in my family.

I think most people around us would never believe we've been through what we have. We laugh, we travel, we cook (and eat) and play and enjoy this life even though we've been through utter hell. I have held a successful business myself for over 23 years. I think we are very positive shining examples of recovering from just about anything. if I do say so myself. :seeya:

 

[Steely Dan]

To the tune of "King Tut"

Emus, born in Arizona, moved to Canberra, Emus.

 

[m00c0w]

Hey everyone! New here, but avid follower of this case.

I have not seen this mentioned here so I'll raise the point. Anyone take note of the fact that a freeweb proxy server was invoked just prior to Travis's gmail account being accessed. A proxy server hides the identity of a user to help make it more difficult to backtrack and see what sites they're hitting.

Now...why would Travis need to hide his own identity while checking his own email? The mystery user seems obvious to me.

And the proxy server and gmail were logged at 4am a few hours before they had sex. Isn't that the same time Jodi told police she arrived at Travis's house? She got in around 4am, they slept in and then had sex, and then she went Lizzie Borden on him.

Who's to say TA was even awake when she got there. She obviously had a key as Lisa Andrews testified Jodi would let herself in unannounced. Who's to say she didn't go Columbo on his computer while he was sleeping.

As someone mentioned earlier, I really hope State did forensics on her computer & her grandparents to see if she used that same web proxy often and if any records exist on her computer for the alias DeAnna Reed.

This is false.

The forensics expert clearly states the website is Youtube, making this a video.

The video was likely this:

http://www.flixya.com/video/1323238/-Free-Web-Proxy-Air-Proxycom

Although, it's been deleted (considering it's 4+ years old, not surprising). It's entirely possible someone misclicked on a video or clicked on a recommended video or something.

In any case, there's nothing to indicate someone was using a proxy at all. Nor would it make sense for someone to use a proxy to access Travis's e-mail from Travis's computer at Travis's house.

 

[Carol2]

Thank you Sleuth.

In a small nutshell, my sister Cindy was murdered in 1988 by a German man and his brother in a "let's marry American women and take out big insurance policies on them then kill them and get rich" scheme. She was their first (and last) victim. They were both sentenced to Death in 1990.

She was killed on Dec. 23 and her body was found in the desert on Christmas Eve by a young boy out 4 wheeling with his Dad who came to court and testified "I thought it was a deer".

It was a very sophisticated premeditated plan and cover up--they nearly got away with it but their 3rd accomplice turned on them. Yet just a couple years ago after a 7 year appeal which cost tax payers over 10 million dollars one of them was released from Death Row to L with parole on a MENTAL RETARDATION claim. he will be up for parole in 5 years now but luckily has a second sentence to fulfill for the conspiracy charge..another 25 years. They will both die in prison. But he almost could have gotten out (another story).

Cindy was killed much like Travis. Over 30 stab wounds and nearly decapitated. No gun shot though. Like Travis' family I avoided crime scene/autopsy photos 100% (I wouldn't even be in the courtroom ) but horrifically ran in to one online a few years ago and thought I was going to lose my mind...seriously. So I know alot of what they are dealing with. Cindy was my only sister. Just 14 months older than me. She was my lifeline.

That's it, in a nutshell. Thanks for the love, you and everyone.

God bless you, Katie, and your sister, too. You have truly walked in the shoes of families who lose a loved one in such a tragic way. Thank you so much for all you are doing for those victims' families and for us on the board.

 

[moonbird]

The digital time stamp can be manipulated but not the meta data that is ecapsulated with the photo that would contain the actual time stamp regardless of what the user interface showed. Hopefully pros has already verified this. If not, they deserve to lose the case as it is forensics 101

i did an experiment this evening with my (4 year old) digital camera; i set the time date to 06/04/2008 04:15 AM, took a photo with the signature on the photo, and not on the photo.. then uploaded to my comp.. when i opened the properties, it says that the photo(s) was(were) taken on 06/04/2008 03:15 AM (curious.. must be a daylight savings thing?), and that it was acquired (to my laptop) on today's date..

would it be possible for my camera to know the actual date (today) and override my manual settings?