Trial break: The State vs Jodi Arias; trial resumes 4 February 2013

[legalmania]

That's a really good question. I know the Mormons are very modest. The "magic underwear" that has been referenced is a way for them to have a constant reminder of this, I've been told. I wonder what the stance is on tattoos.

Here is the Mormon rules on tats and piercing.

http://www.askamormon.com/Tattoos-and-Piercings.html

 

[Curious Me]

Just when you expect something that will have to be brilliant to save her from the DP, the defense pulls out those two pics with the female attorney coming across like a teenager. :sheesh:

I don't think it's likely Jodi would kill one person in the horrific way she did, and then never kill again.

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[StephanieHartPI]

It never ceases to amaze me when I see forums pop up like you describe. And this trial (specifically) is not over and JA has a right to have her day in court and we were not there when Travis was so brutally murdered (well, actually we were in a way, she accidently took a lot photos of it) I hate when I accidently sequentially photograph my crimes...

Back to my original thought, there will always be a group of people that for whatever reason, be it, they want attention, they want to be provocative, they continually jump to the unpopular side of every story, argument, crime...

They don't even need to hear the whole story, they love to defend the defendant. "um, lady, you do realize this defendant chopped the persons head off?" "yes, but what did he do to deserve getting his head chopped off, that is what we need to still find out" or "you can't prove it" "you can't really know she did it, you were not there now were you?" "how do you know the pug didn't do it?"

They are always on the other side of the street as I say.

I hate to say this is clear cut because I said that about the CA Case in Florida and we see how that turned out. But man in shower wet and you are dressed and standing around deciding whether to shoot first then stab or stab first then shoot. There is all of 3 minutes between the photo of him you took when he see's the camera and the next one 180 SECONDS later when you are dragging his body through the hall. SO he jumps out of the shower wet and slides toward you in a rage when he was just peacefully enjoying a shower. He just thought of something all of a sudden that made him that mad he jumps out!

We can re-enact this and then all share the experience tomorrow. Everyone get in a shower, naked and start washing your hair, turn suddenly look toward the bathroom door, then jump out and run in that direction. Then report back how that went. (if 300 of us are not in the Hospital with broken ankles, wrists and concussions from the slip and fall that will occur)

I was reading the Comment sections in a few news articles and boy oh boy are there some ugly, ignorant posts from some folks out there trashing Travis (JA minions?). Really hateful and out of touch with reality.

Makes me so appreciative of our respectful, compassionate, victim-friendly community!

 

[Apparition]

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/01/31/phone-sex-emerges-jodi-arias-trial

So the break was for the phone sex call that she recorded in secret? Now comes the character slam from the DT? I thought it was something new added

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

:floorlaugh:

Hey amyfarrahfowler, How's the shamy? Gald to see you posting with us.

 

[Curious Me]

I believe that was hundreds of thousands :floorlaugh:

It was for her Nurse Job!

 

[Sulamith]

She also has microphthalmia. (Her eyes are too small for her head.) I've wondered if she was exposed to some teratogen, has brain abnormalities, or has an obscure genetic syndrome. Maybe she's just fugly.

My MIL has really tiny eyes and she does not (that I know of) have any brain abnormalities.

 

[Pensfan]

I believe that was hundreds of thousands :floorlaugh:

It was for her Nurse Job!

Insertion of Foley catheters is just one of many unpleasant RN tasks.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ZWqgYBROG...oley_catheters---50226711--images--afoley.gif

 

[WhoaIsMe]

I haven't watched it yet but what about this Amish Mafia? What do they do go around kicking peoples horses and buggies? Mix the sugar with the salt? Let the milk go sour before delivering it?

My husband watches that show so I've been trapped by it a couple of episodes. One of them did wreck one guy's buggy for having races while he was out of town. :floorlaugh:

One of the guys (who seems to fancy himself an Amish boss in Ohio) strikes me as playing a game of dungeons and dragons in his head. Also, he's been arrested for selling pot!

One chick is a little seducing manipulator. She's really the one running that gig. I was surprised I tell you! Shocked.

 

[Laceybug]

I definitely think it would be interesting to know how a 27 year old woman got pushed over the edge like this. It is fascinating. How could we ever hope to thwart this type of behavior if we do not understand it? How can we educate potential victims? I would love to see an intelligent discussion regarding these things somewhere.

I dont feel like she was pushed anywhere... there's no proof of abuse. To answer 'what drove her to kill" would mean something or someone is to blame. She's sick... she's probably always been sick and at that moment all the turmoil she held in all those years erupted like a volcano and sadly Travis was there. MOO

Crazy ? Hardly ... won't be the last time a woman kills a man (or vice versa) in a jealous rage because "if she can't have him, no one will" ... most people know how to deal with breakups and no-win situations, a few people commit or try to commit suicide after a breakup (I'm reminded of that recent case in Montana where the girl crossed the center line and hit a family head-on after a breakup), and there's a few who kill as an act of vengeance against the person who dumped them.

I would certainly love to have more info on Jodi's upbringing to see if she was indeed violent ( heard the baseball bat story ) - I also find it really hard to believe she had never fired a gun before shooting Travis. Why did she drop out of high school ? Apparently, she was a good student ... What is/was her relationship with her father and why has he not been at the trial ?

Sadly... in the world we now live in...Kids and young people aren't taught coping skills. Instead they are given a pricey piece of electronics and sent on their way. For males it's usually (violent) video games. It's easier for parents who are struggling with being a single parent, trying to work to make ends meet, and with social media, (studies now show) there is very little interaction between people... even between close family/friends.

For what it's worth... and this might not be popular... I tend to believe that she stopped somewhere in the desert and test fired that gun! Theres no way to prove it of course, but I'm willing to bet she did stop out in the middle of nowhere and fired the gun and it probably boosted her confidence and she probably got a high from the power she felt when the gun went off..... perhaps several times.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Originally Posted by Sulamith
I don't know much about other religions but there is counseling on how to overcome masterbation/ addictions. It's all Greek to me, but there ya go: http://www.sonsofhelaman.org/?p=program_summary






"Greek" has something to do with anal shenanigans? Oh My...off to Google...I am so old when I think Greece/Greek I think of George Michael, 1980's Careless Whisper...Yum...I digress. Yes, I know he is gay. At least I knew what the "postage stamp test" was!!LOL

George Michael is gay? :0 ! Just kidding. ... I never watched that show and had to google stamp test!


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[Pensfan]

My husband watches that show so I've been trapped by it a couple of episodes. One of them did wreck one guy's buggy for having races while he was out of town. :floorlaugh:

One of the guys (who seems to fancy himself an Amish boss in Ohio) strikes me as playing a game of dungeons and dragons in his head. Also, he's been arrested for selling pot!

One chick is a little seducing manipulator. She's really the one running that gig. I was surprised I tell you! Shocked.

I live in Amish "country" and have worked with the Amish. That show is complete bs.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I know it sounds weird to most of us, but it really matters to the people who care.

Some people might think it's ridiculous how much I love to grow tomatoes.

I mean, I agree the garments seem odd, but Travis seemed to find some value in wearing them. It's all good.....

I love my garden too! Tomatoes are my favorite, we even can em!


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[FrayedKnot]

Absolutely, especially if it was someone hideous like the murderess...

EXACTLY! That is what I have been TRYING to say. Obviously, through everything else, TA found JA desirable and made an adult decision to sleep with her.

Jeez, if he hated her guts he would't have done it. Not rocket science.

 

[katiecoolady]

katie, you are so very compassionate and clearly understanding.

That said do you believe people in that situation really want to and are receptive to knowing that people are intruuding into something so privat and seeing all our comments here.

I just k ow that most my friends would think ....well...dont most ofus keep private our sleuthing.

Also, when i went to andreas trial i felt invading private anguish just by being there. Cannot imagine telling those raw with hurt that all their privacy is being dissected by strangers.


Hi atthelake,

greetings from sedona!

Hope this is coming through on my dad's ipad.

I get what you are saying. In our situation it was high profile and before the internet but i did read most newspaper articles but not everything. I doubt i'd dive in to a site such as this. Seeing their case is on so many shows who knows what they are exposing themselves to.

In no way did i suggest or did we discuss their visiting this site. I did mention "web sleuths forum" in my one comment. I apologize to you or anyone who didn't find that appropriate. I just wanted to show them a strong web of support around them. I did though point them to my victim impact statement to read as it was published and the advocate thought it might help them as they are writing theirs now. I'm also not sharing all the info i've been privy to publicly as i do want to respect their privacy.

Hope this helps.


For me, i would have a primal negative reaction if i was in that situation.

What does the victims advocate think after reviewing this site?

Do they agree a good thing to share with his family at this time?

Quote=katiecoolady;8791140]i think your observations are right on. Thank you for this post. Anger is a motivating force sometimes. It causes us to have the energy to move forward or in some cases out. It gives us the energy to pull out of unhealthy stagnant situations or relationships sometimes. It probably is at least some of what fuels that family to get in that courtroom daily.

There is also a flip side of "winning" in court. You've been fueled by that anger and "fighting" for years (twice as long for this family than mine waiting for trial). Once you "win" in court you are left with all that momentum and nowhere to put it. That's when the true healing begins because instead of a fight in front of you there is a big huge hole. In some ways it's easier to fight.

I know i'm not alone on this forum in saying i believe the hardest thing anyone ever on this earth suffers is the loss of someone you love dearly. No matter how it happens or if its sudden or "prepared for", there is no greater pain. And closure, to us , is just a "c" word used by those who haven't had this misfortune..yet. It's just how open the wound is.

So to those of you who have lost someone but not to homicide i join you in feeling the raw sensitivity this opens in all of us. But this is also a beautiful place of connection for us humans. Pain, when shared, can be a deep opportunity for opening one's heart more deeply. Because god knows, grief will rip it wide open. Shocking as it is, it's also a way to connect which is something most everyone longs for.

On that note off to beautiful sedona az for the weekend.

I'll be in court all day monday and this time bring my ipad as now i know i can use it!! :seeya:

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[Linda7NJ]

I live in Amish "country" and have worked with the Amish. That show is complete bs.

Me too, personal observations.... I don't find them half as humble and sweet as they claim to be. A good many are downright evil and conniving. Seen a good many horribly use & abuse their animals too. Spend a day @ New Holland Horse Auction. Gives you a whole new perspective on the Amish. All IMO


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[katiecoolady]

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My reply is stuck in the middle of that huge long post and i can't fix it. Help! I need a nurse!

I will add that I didn't even mention web sleuths to the victim advocate ever, in any conversation. And I won't mention it again in this case as I attend the trial. Sorry.

Tanisha once "liked" a post I made on Nancy Grace facebook page so i did feel like it was ok to mention a site supporting them as she clearly was reading there.

 

[sassy_texasbelle2]

OK, folks. I am going to get banned and I do not care anymore. I am sick of members asking another male member who I respect very much about a man’s morning erection. There are pages of post on sexual parts and if they are normal or not, the size of a man’s penis and anal sex. It has gotten totally off topic of why we are all here. We are here because a young man was murdered long before his time. If the DT wants to trash Travis that is something they have to live with. We have no control over any of what they say or do. I do not feel we need to join in with them. I do not need to hear about his penis, what it looked like, if he had sex with her. There are pages on this same subject. What Jodi “looks” like, if she is normal, her anus and if she had had anal sex.

I literally cringe thinking if for some reason a family member comes here and what they must think of what we are discussing. How disrespectful it is to Travis and his family. How disrespectful we have become to other members asking them a very personal question he should not have to explain to anyone for any reason. I thought we were all adults here and are aware of these things. Websleuths has always been known for being a victims advocate. How are we being that with the discussions that have been going on? I thought we were adult enough to maybe comment, move on and not have pages on all things sexual then knock the defense for doing the same thing.

I am all for having a good laugh at times. There comes a time it has gone to far. We have passed that point a long time ago. It is boarding on harassment with some posters on wanting answers, links and facts. IE men’s erections. Then wanting to discuss over and over the same thing. How many times does someone have to state their own opinion without having to say it again. How is it even being allowed to happen in the first place?

Don’t worry about reporting me I have sent a copy of my post to Tricia. I am ready to face the consequences of my post. I think it is time to step back and look at what we are doing. How childish this has all become. How disrespectful to Travis, his family and fellow posters we have become really sickens me. :furious:

 

[amyfarrahfowler]

It took me a very long time to understand this. Forgiveness isn't about the perp, it's for yourself and letting go of the burning hatred so you can move forward. The perp need never know. All IMO

Absolutely, Linda. Wise, wise words, yours. ITA.

 

[Laceybug]

I was reading the Comment sections in a few news articles and boy oh boy are there some ugly, ignorant posts from some folks out there trashing Travis (JA minions?). Really hateful and out of touch with reality.

Makes me so appreciative of our respectful, compassionate, victim-friendly community!

The dumber the comments... the LESS they actually know about the case. I think they post those comments just to have something to say. (people could probably say the same about me here...but I hope not) I can no longer read the comments on the facebook pages. Most of the time they ruffle my feathers. I dont understand how ignorance is allowed to run so rampant!
I second that on this being a respectful, compassionate and victim-friendly community...