Trial break: The State vs Jodi Arias; trial resumes 4 February 2013

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I just wanted to throw a quick "hello" post out there so that I wasn't just a creepy lurker here at WS. :seeya:

I found WS back when I was reading up on Darlie Routier's case and was thrilled to find a thread on this case. I'm absolutely fascinated with it, and have been watching the trial avidly. I have learned so much from all of you, and wanted to say thanks! It's nice to know there are others who are just as into this as I am!

Back to reading - I have pages and pages to catch up on!
 
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She also has microphthalmia. (Her eyes are too small for her head.) I've wondered if she was exposed to some teratogen, has brain abnormalities, or has an obscure genetic syndrome. Maybe she's just fugly.

Smaller eye openings are more common in people of Latin American/Mestizo heritage.

Jodi is half Mexican.

It is also common in people of Nordic heritage. I am blonde and blue eyed but used to get called "chink eyes" when I was in grade school. No offense to Asian people. That is just what I actually used to get called.
 
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That's the first time I've seen these photos, too awful for words. OMG, she isn't a woman. She is a monster.

Those are the "G" rated version.... There are pictures that are way worse....
 
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Me too, personal observations.... I don't find them half as humble and sweet as they claim to be. A good many are downright evil and conniving. Seen a good many horribly use & abuse their animals. Spend a day @ New Holland Horse Auction. Gives you a whole new perspective on the Amish. All IMO


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I've only worked with family members of those that were hospitalized and a delightful Amish woman who is a laboratory technician (Yes, their community will send their children to college if they do not have an occupation or a husband.) My experience is completely different than yours. I witnessed humble and prayerful Amish.
 
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I agree, never seen a case as crazy as this one, nothing like I had on the trial I sat on, but they made the point well beyond a reasonable doubt as I believe Juan is doing. The autopsy photos I saw will still never get out of my head, so I can totally understand his sisters grief every time they are shown, but it has to be done for justice. For Juan to make his point as it did for me.

The actual crime is very crazy, IMO, to do that to someone you profess always treated you kindly as Jodi did profess. The kicker is she actually premeditated it, and had all those travel hours to think it over. Then, if true, had intimacy with the person she would kill.

The borrowing of gas cans from the ex bf was astounding info for me this week.
 
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OK, folks. I am going to get banned and I do not care anymore. I am sick of members asking another male member who I respect very much about a man’s morning erection. There are pages of post on sexual parts and if they are normal or not, the size of a man’s penis and anal sex. It has gotten totally off topic of why we are all here. We are here because a young man was murdered long before his time. If the DT wants to trash Travis that is something they have to live with. We have no control over any of what they say or do. I do not feel we need to join in with them. I do not need to hear about his penis, what it looked like, if he had sex with her. There are pages on this same subject. What Jodi “looks” like, if she is normal, her anus and if she had had anal sex.

I literally cringe thinking if for some reason a family member comes here and what they must think of what we are discussing. How disrespectful it is to Travis and his family. How disrespectful we have become to other members asking them a very personal question he should not have to explain to anyone for any reason. I thought we were all adults here and are aware of these things. Websleuths has always been known for being a victims advocate. How are we being that with the discussions that have been going on? I thought we were adult enough to maybe comment, move on and not have pages on all things sexual then knock the defense for doing the same thing.

I am all for having a good laugh at times. There comes a time it has gone to far. We have passed that point a long time ago. It is boarding on harassment with some posters on wanting answers, links and facts. IE men’s erections. Then wanting to discuss over and over the same thing. How many times does someone have to state their own opinion without having to say it again. How is it even being allowed to happen in the first place?

Don’t worry about reporting me I have sent a copy of my post to Tricia. I am ready to face the consequences of my post. I think it is time to step back and look at what we are doing. How childish this has all become. How disrespectful to Travis, his family and fellow posters we have become really sickens me. :furious:

Excellent, excellent post. Thank you.
 
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I've only worked with family members of those that were hospitalized and a delightful Amish woman who is a laboratory technician (Yes, their community will send their children to college if they do not have an occupation or a husband.) My experience is completely different than yours. I witnessed humble and prayerful Amish.

I suppose there is good and bad in every group of people.


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I love my garden too! Tomatoes are my favorite, we even can em!


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Mmmmmm,Maters......

I wish summer would get here! :lol:
 
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Welcome MEC! Glad you decided to start posting!

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I just wanted to throw a quick "hello" post out there so that I wasn't just a creepy lurker here at WS. :seeya:

I found WS back when I was reading up on Darlie Routier's case and was thrilled to find a thread on this case. I'm absolutely fascinated with it, and have been watching the trial avidly. I have learned so much from all of you, and wanted to say thanks! It's nice to know there are others who are just as into this as I am!

Back to reading - I have pages and pages to catch up on!

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:bump: :bump: :goodpost:

I would add that is what a cicumstantional case is about. Each alone proves nothing, but as with the FCA case, FGS connect the fricken dots to paint that clear picutre of what happended. Yes, for each individual circumstantial pice you can have multiple scenarios to challenge others on just for discourse or to create dissension (as some have)... but all together not seeing makes one a pinhead as we call them now!

I've only watched two televised trials in my life-- Casey Anthony's and this one. Since I never want to be blindsided again by a jury's verdict, I've done my best to experience this trial largely from a juror's point of view.

If I were a juror, what I'd be wondering right now is why on earth I am being subjected to so much talk of raunchy sex, and plainly speaking, to so many irrelevant and piddly tales of adolescent realtionships.

If I'm a woman, does the defense really want me to free Jodi because the victim cheated on her, didn't throw her naked body out of his bed when she crept there without being invited? Because he … whoa, getting serious now…called her names? Am I supposed to rally to her side out of righteous indignation, based on my gender, because the slaughtered very young male in this case seems to have occasionally acted--worst possible scenario-- like a cad?

And if I am a man? Wow. I'm feeling like I'm on trial here too. Seemingly it will be my fault if a woman I sleep with decides to kill me because I like sex more than I like her. I'm thinking about emails or phone calls I've received calling me a jerk because I didn’t listen well enough or respect her feelings enough. I see my wife my girlfriend standing in front of me accusing me of the same offenses. I'm positive I don' think I deserve death for these sins- every last male I've ever spoken to has heard the same list of complaints, repeatedly.

I'm waiting to be told how it is that Jodi is a victim, and why it is that her alleged
victimization should matter more than what she irrefutably did do to Travis. I'm from conservative Arizona, and I believe in personal responsibility. Far as I can see, Jodi at the very least was a willing sexual partner. I'm wondering at times if she wasn't in fact the sexual aggressor. Travis was clearly looking for a virgin to be committed to, and he obviously didn't like himself for having sex with Jodi.

She joined a church knowing that premarital sex was off limits, and yet was engaging in it the whole while and she knew how central the church was to Travis. Seems to me that if she had any consideration much less love for Travis, she would never have agreed to have sex, much less to have initiated it. If she had any self-respect or true newly found religious conviction she would have refused sex as well.


I'm getting more P'O'd by the day that these are the things the defense is asking me to analyze, while the facts of the Travis' death go unaddressed.

I'm not sure if Jodi stole the gun from her grandparents. The prosecutor did not prove that to me beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm also not sure that the gas cans Jodi picked up from her ex-boyfriend were meant to hide her time spent in AZ. I think that is likely, but I'm not going to convict her of 1st degree murder based on that.

I've resolved that for myself there is one and only question that the defense had better answer for me if they don't want me to convict their client, and that is this:

You say that Jodi killed Travis in self-defense, AFTER he attacked her in the shower- verbally, since there wasn't a single mark on her afterwards, other than perhaps on a few fingers (and even THAT I don’t know, since Burns never actually saw any wounds).

If it was self-defense, how did Jodi have the time to go run and get both a gun and a knife-whomever they belonged to? Why did she get both? Am I to believe that Travis kept a gun and a knife in his bathroom? How is that Jodi managed to fend off Travis to reach a knife and gun-even, completedly implausibly those laying about near the bathroom sink, when Travis- was so much taller and stronger than Jodi, and in your version, mad enough with rage enough to want to kill her? And yet he leaves no mark on her while his own hands are sliced to the bone?


Really?


I think the defense better pray that we the jury don’t find her guilty of first degree murder. If we do, I am going to punish her as well for putting Travis's loved ones through the hell of having his name smeared nationally, and for playing the victim again while doing her utmost to hurt Travis one last time.


Just my opinion.
 
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I googled Mormon undergarments. I couldn't understand what was so special about them. ImageUploadedByTapatalk1359776976.973605.jpg

They look like a white tshirt with boxer brief sorta bottoms. Looks a little warm to sleep in for AZ if the AC isn't kicking.

Guess I still don't understand the magic underwear comments. What am I missing?


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Smaller eye openings are more common in people of Latin American/Mestizo heritage.

Jodi is half Mexican.

It is also common in people of Nordic heritage. I am blonde and blue eyed but used to get called "chink eyes" when I was in grade school. No offense to Asian people. That is just what I actually used to get called.
I’ve watched a physician geneticist and dozens of his residents measure eye widths and Jodi's look very small, IMO. Eye width is measured on those with abnormal behavior because the width decreases with prenatal alcohol exposure and other syndromes.


 
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I’ve watched a physician geneticist and dozens of his residents measure eye widths and Jodi's look very small, IMO. Eye width is measured on those with abnormal behavior because the width decreases with prenatal alcohol exposure and other syndromes.

Isn't that also true of ( I forget the correct term) the ridges that run vertical from under the nose to the top of the lips. Jodi's seems rather flat ... Also common in FAS? Correct??


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I just wanted to throw a quick "hello" post out there so that I wasn't just a creepy lurker here at WS. :seeya:

I found WS back when I was reading up on Darlie Routier's case and was thrilled to find a thread on this case. I'm absolutely fascinated with it, and have been watching the trial avidly. I have learned so much from all of you, and wanted to say thanks! It's nice to know there are others who are just as into this as I am!

Back to reading - I have pages and pages to catch up on!


:Welcome1: MEC :Welcome1:
 
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When a person feels 'used' it implies hurt feelings. The person is vested and got his/her feelings hurt. If both adults engage in sex understanding that it is only sex that they share never should have any feelings invested in the act. When someone visits a prostitute he/she wants sex. I don't think either one believes next time (if there is one) the person will bring flowers too.

If Jodi felt 'used' then it was because of her unwillingness to face the truth about their relationship. It is no one else's fault if Jodi held on to some hope only she could see.

A person is 'used' when they are duped. They are lied to and lead down a primrose path that isn't real. Travis is not guilty of that. IMO



And remember, a man doesnt pay a prostitute to have sex, he is paying for her to go away afterwads!

Ok, typos on my nook, but I am lleaving that one!:floorlaugh:
 
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