Trial break: The State vs Jodi Arias; trial resumes 4 February 2013

[sassy_texasbelle2]

One conspicuous void in the defense opening statement is absolutely no mention of the gun or where it came from or why Jodi had it - no mention that he was shot at all.

Funny how that one little fact along with the knife is missing. :floorlaugh:

 

[Sulamith]

Originally Posted by Carol2
OFFTOPIC:



Yahoo article said, "Ex-FBI hostage negotiator Clint Van Zandt advised against any drastic measures such as cutting the electricity or putting sleep gas inside the bunker because it could agitate Dykes."
http://news.yahoo.com/authorities-re...215324625.html

Aerosolized fentanyl would work instantly. Narcan would need to be injected once they were located in the bunker.

I guess LE and the ex-FBI agent know what they are doing?? Sounds like Dykes is already agitated. How about pumping in nitrous oxide??

 

[Pensfan]

Thank you. I really did not want to read a psychiatry manual. That said, I did it anyway, at 3 AM mind you, and I never saw the term cluster B.

Can anyone just give me the short version of what cluster B stands for?
Much appreciated!

It refers to the personality disorders that are listed in the first link I posted for you. There are other personality disorders that are Cluster A.

Pensfan
verified psychiatric mental health nurse

 

[Pensfan]

One conspicuous void in the defense opening statement is absolutely no mention of the gun or where it came from or why Jodi had it - no mention that he was shot at all.

They didn't mention Travis was hacked 29 times and nearly decapitated either. The prosecution can only leave the jury clues that Travis was shot with Granny's stolen gun, because it wasn't proven. Maybe the defense thought they didn't need to broach this topic for that reason. Maybe there is just no acceptable reason for Jodi to have a gun during her "recreational activities", so the defense avoided the topic. What do you think?

 

[Pensfan]

Originally Posted by Carol2
OFFTOPIC:



Yahoo article said, "Ex-FBI hostage negotiator Clint Van Zandt advised against any drastic measures such as cutting the electricity or putting sleep gas inside the bunker because it could agitate Dykes."
http://news.yahoo.com/authorities-re...215324625.html





I guess LE and the ex-FBI agent know what they are doing?? Sounds like Dykes is already agitated. How about pumping in nitrous oxide??

This is another good argument for aerosolized Haldol. I've always wanted a personal sized bottle to carry in my purse. Annoying clerk at the grocery store? ZAP Confrontational troll neighbor? ZAP Annoying teenage children? ZAP I can think of a million uses for it.

 

[atthelake]

Katie,
I wrote that I had panicked fearing the family would come here. I was embarrassed and fearful about the discussions that happened last night, and feared them seeing the crime scene photos inadvertently,

After reading others responses about Websleuths being the very best and victim friendly site, I realized I was wrong and gained some perspective.


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Same here Katie. As I said yesterday, you are a WS hero to me. It just as did with Linda hit me in the gut the family seeing this site, but you are a much better judge to balance that than almost everyone here if not all. Aplolgies for upsettng you as all is best that you support in the best way for you. And you have done so much for all of us at WS, just look at all those who are supportive of you and outpouring for you, even the late night crowd when most are gone for the weekend. And one of the main reasons we even have the empathy is due to you sharing....how ironic (or iornic according to Baez!)

:grouphug:

Enjoy the night under the Sedona sky, and God bless you dear!

 

[LambChop]

it has to be stated during the phone call on tape that both parties agree it is being recorded - the fastest way out here to get a telemarketer off the phone is to say - i am recording this phone call

My jury questions would be, "Are there other recordings she made of him, or just this one conversation? What would make her all of a sudden out of the blue decide to tape him, prior to his death?"

Wouldn't this be bad for the defense? It would appear she knew what he was going to say to her and that somehow she said something to him that would elicit this type of response from him? Was she setting him up? Sounds way too fishy for me and if they play the tape I hope the jury takes into consideration when it was made and why. jmo

 

[TigerBalm]

Originally Posted by Sulamith
I have not seen the defense trash TA yet. I have not been able to see all the court proceedings. I think the witnesses for the defence seem to help the prosecution. All I have heard is that TA had sex, blah, blah...but IMHO..that is not trashing him...Who trashed him in court and what did they say? I don't pay no mind to Nancy Gracy or the dinosaur Jean..whatever her name is...I just have not heard of any trashing of TA






Like I said, I have not been able to see the whole trial. I will have to look on YouTube and see JW's opening statements.

Direct to defense opening statements: http://youtu.be/Ip7EN8uoD-Q?t=29m34s

ETA: minor4th was so kind (and daring) to take the time to transcribe Willmott's opening statement:
Defense opening statement: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8794608&postcount=351"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - *graphic and adult content* Jodi Arias Trial media/ timeline thread **no discussion**[/ame]

 

[LambChop]

Maybe they were both in Arizona when the alleged recording was made.

Unless they checked the towers where the calls originated from with cell phones they could have both been in states where it is illegal. If it is allowed I would assume the State knows where they both were when the call was made. My issue would be if JA did not routinely tape his conversations what made her do so with this particular call and how did she know what he was going to say? I think the call could very well hurt defense in a big way. jmo

 

[popsicle]

Unless they checked the towers where the calls originated from with cell phones they could have both been in states where it is illegal. If it is allowed I would assume the State knows where they both were when the call was made. My issue would be if JA did not routinely tape his conversations what made her do so with this particular call and how did she know what he was going to say? I think the call could very well hurt defense in a big way. jmo

I agree, I am thinking Juan has a way to use this evidence to his benefit if it is coming in.

 

[BrownRice]

I think another injustice to Travis' family is how long this case is taking in court. I understand the judge has other things to do (etc etc etc), but so do all the other judges in the country. They seem to be able to have more than 3 hours of testimony/trial a day. Starting at 10:30 (hardly ever though!), then having trial for an hour, having a 1.5 hour lunch, then another hour or so delay, and then trial ending around 4 is ridiculous. At this rate, the trial will take another month? At least. And everyday his brave family must sit there. And sit there. And return the next day. It's very frustrating for me, a nobody who watches it on a hidden Iphone at work! I can't imagine being his family.

 

[BrownRice]

Another comment - I was so impressed with Lisa Andrews' testimony. What a doll she was. And her parents should be proud they raised a child with such moral convictions. To me, it didn't put any negative light on Travis. Things happen in relationships and most people wouldn't want their emails/calls published in court or anywhere. Nobody is perfect. Big deal.

I've always admired people who are able to live their lives so devoted to their faith (regardless of what faith it is). Even though Travis was having a conflict with his faith and his desires, he was still a man of strong faith. THe more I learn of his life (his friends, family, travels, aspirations), I can understand how Jodi wanted in to it. It was very attractive. She was living in a tiny little bedroom at her grandparents house - such a contrast to his life. I wonder if he even knew the extent of her "life" in California. But, it was all in her hands. She had the ability to make a better life for herself instead of trying to morph herself into his world, yet she didn't make good choices.

 

[LambChop]

No. I don't.

I do think she shares some similar features common to native Americans, namely the shape of her nose and her almond-ish shaped eyes. But remember that Mexico is also part of NA and the indigenous peeps share quite a few of the same physical features. Though not all.

Most Mexicans are considered Native Americans. Any natives who lived here prior to Colombus or the Spanish landing for the first time are Native Americans. Today Mexicans are a mixture as are most Native Americans. The only pure native tribes today are the ones who are still deep in the forests of South America. jmo

 

[LambChop]

Very interested to hear how the defense plans to get around the wiretapping laws.
Defendant was in California, two-party consent state.
Conversation was recorded in California by defendant.
Travis was in Arizona, one-party consent state.
Travis had a reasonable expectation that no one was listening and it was private phone call.

I would also love to know if Travis' Estate can sue her for all her eBay murderabilia jail food money.
Since his reputation has been damaged.



California Two-Party Consent:

More in the link: http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/california-recording-law




Arizona One-Party Consent:

More in the link: http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/arizona-recording-law

Sounds like the recording is out. As I said in an earlier post, I think the recording would only hurt her in the end. As a juror I would not like the fact that she recorded him without his knowledge. A victim should have the same rights as the defendant. jmo

 

[SwampMama]

We don't have cable out here in our happy little home in the boonies (simple lifestyle, and all that (but internet is a MUST!!). So I have relied on WS to keep me updated on the best of the trial and watched some of it in the wee hours of the night because our internet is limited but overnight it unlimited.

But now i am off to Grams to do my monthly shift of being her caretaker for the next 2 weeks so i will be able to watch it as she has cable and unlimited internet. So Yippee!!

I will be there for Valentine's Day, away from Mr Swamp so I told Gram that I expect her to wine, dine and romance me on Val Day so that will be fun. No doubt we will just get some takeout and eat in our pajamas like we always do.

 

[TaRazza]

Reading that people were panicking and thinking what I had written would potentially cause harm to the victims in this case actually left me shaking and sick to my stomach. I'm honestly still shaking. This is all very close to me...I take things too personally I'm sure because this is all very personal. Having just had a conversation with my brother today about what we've been through...we almost never discuss it. But he watched some of this trial and for some other reasons we talked about what it's like to live through this and keep living through it. It's been a heavy week.

I typically don't fare well long term on message boards. I'm not very thick skinned. And in this case even more thin (just the skin). It hits me at my core to think I would actually cause more pain to a victims family even on accident.

Katie, for the life of me, I cannot fathom one instance where you have/ever would cause pain to a victim's family. Not one. My dear, you have been there yourself, in their shoes, as have many WS posters here. Your posts clearly show empathy for the victim and the victim's family. I say with all my heart: I really appreciate your posts, your insights, and letting us know what is going on in the courtroom. You reach so many of us with your posts, and your words do touch hearts. I know I'm not alone in feeling this way, so please, please reconsider and don't stop posting. We'd hate to lose you.

 

[Really?]

OK this is coming from me, so, it is JMOO.

I am reading the OS that Minor4th was nice enough to post.

Ahem <cough> Jodi is not an artist ......she just like to draw. I never did like abstract.

 

[Really?]

Direct to defense opening statements: http://youtu.be/Ip7EN8uoD-Q?t=29m34s

ETA: minor4th was so kind (and daring) to take the time to transcribe Willmott's opening statement:
Defense opening statement: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - *graphic and adult content* Jodi Arias Trial media/ timeline thread **no discussion**

OS......a good read.

 

[Really?]

Katie, for the life of me, I cannot fathom one instance where you have/ever would cause pain to a victim's family. Not one. My dear, you have been there yourself, in their shoes, as have many WS posters here. Your posts clearly show empathy for the victim and the victim's family. I say with all my heart: I really appreciate your posts, your insights, and letting us know what is going on in the courtroom. You reach so many of us with your posts, and your words do touch hearts. I know I'm not alone in feeling this way, so please, please reconsider and don't stop posting. We'd hate to lose you.

I second that.

 

[MissJ]

I second that.

Me too.