Trial break: The State vs Jodi Arias; trial resumes 4 February 2013

[parker38]

Why she did this is speculation so we are pretty much stuck with it. All discussions are welcome whether we agree with them or not as long as it's not just a way to bash the subject, or some other unrelated matter. You'd be surprised at some of what we might think of as speculation that is really out there turns out to be right on the target. Discussions that don't make much sense to us now might have a whole other meaning down the line.

I also sometimes skim through the posts because I know where it is going and just don't read it. It's all part of putting the puzzle together. Myself, I think the reason she killed him is old as dirt. If she could not have him and what he would provide her with (all the things she wanted out of life and her goals) then he had to go. She feels she already claim him as her's so no one else was going to have those advantages. Happens all the time in domestic murders.

Happy posting. jmo

Good thoughts. And I agree the ultimate reason was exactly what you
pointed out. If she couldn't have him no one would.
I just wanted to point out that I believe Jodie didn't have as good
an upbringing as she claims.
She lacked strong emotional bonds with her parents during her formative years and this set the stage through her adult life making her insecure,
feeling abandoned and obsessing over Travis.
That said, she didn't know who she was and therefore wanted another's
personality to make her whole. Travis is who she picked and she was
more than shocked when he didn't return those feelings. She felt in her
mind they should have been one!
Normally she would have probably felt bad, depressed etc and then
moved on. But she couldn't and didn't.
The amount of rage was over the top and I don't think there is any
explanation other than she lost it big time jmo

 

[human]

Maybe you are super-intuitive, but I absolutely disagree. Abuse is amazingly secretive. Both the abusers and abused parties go to great lengths to hide it from others. It's part of the process of manipulation, control, isolation and shame. Maybe not always, but usually. IMO.

I think it may be more about the abuser's pukey personality.

I may not know a person is an abuser, but usually they have controlling personalities

 

[popoju]

please DON'T be SORRY, I am enjoying YOUR post, as well!

I have cats too, LOL. You DO have time, but don't wait TOO long!

My own folks have passed, so I cannot ask them what they would do. My initial sense is that they would NOT be there. Thinking about it some more, though, MAYBE they would! Yipes! THAT horrifies in itself to try to imagine!
And THAT is where the *but for the grace of...* enters in, for me, and it is just TOO horrible to imagine.

I DO AGREE with you about JA's mother's laughing being extremely repugnant to witness!

I only know that when I was 13 and my favorite person in the whole world (an older brother) was killed in a vehicular accident, the ONLY way I was ABLE to get THROUGH the next day was having my best friend,to talk to about it, on the phone, and that was because she made stupid jokes and got me to be able to laugh and cry at the same time. I was not able to share my grief with my own mother and feel understood so I avoided talking about it with her altogether at that time. I mean, EVENTUALLY, we were able to talk about it, but when the hurt was still RAW, there was something inside me that NEEDED to be able to laugh, even though what I was feeling was NOT funny, and I consider myself very blessed to have had such a close friend who was able to recognize that and to be able to give me what I needed (some stupid jokes) to cope. She is still my best friend and I am still blessed! In any event, having had that experience may be how I am able to empathize, somewhat, with that very galling behavior on the mother's part.:twocents:

Thanks for sharing, popoju. Glad your tumor was removed, hope it doesn't grow back, glad you've got the booze under control, I've been done with cigarettes for about 1.5 years, and THAT has made me FAT, but regardless of whatever bad habits we are struggling with, at least neither of us has killed anyone or had offspring kill anyone, and I for one am GRATEFUL for that. LOL. Hugs to you. And hope you and your mom ARE on good terms at this point.

Thank you seriously...You and nurse help me a lot...thank you.....really..:anguish:

 

[popsicle]

KatieCL I really hope you feel better just because noone likes to be sick. You would be great on Dr Drew as long as they let you get your point across and don't cut you off iykwim.

 

[GetSmart]

Originally Posted by JusticeJunkie
I brought this same article up eons ago, and was also ignored. Maybe you and I are the only ones who think this "new age" explanation fits right into JA's character. I think it to be a strong possibility.

I'm going more with this theory too. The timing of him having the duct tape on his arm doesn't coincide with him working out. In the picture it looks like he was just waking up or just after sex. Imo

I agree 100% + here is a line from website that I think fits perfect
Great find on this info JusticeJunkie
Outside Marriage, Sex's Emotional Bond:
However, outside of marriage, this bond still occurs. The emotional bond is a part of sex, it's always present, whether we like it or not. But, this extremely tight emotional bond is not such a good thing outside of marriage. Here's why...

(DO NOT remove the duct tape until you describe the break-up of the relationship)
http://www.reapteam.org/duct-tape

 

[bobloblaw]

Hi blahblahblah! (love AD!)

I missed your post when replying to Justice, so looks like there are three of us now.

It does seem possible they did not actually have sex, but just seems so weird he would get naked with her if they were not going to have sex; and let her take a picture. He is doing that hand signal (I am old, don't know what it means, would have been 'peace' in my generation) to the camera. So it doesn't seem like the picture is being taken surreptitiously.I don't know, I wish I could piece it together . . .

I do also think she was gathering blackmail material and threatening to expose him to this fellow LDS and PPL colleagues and friends.

Maybe this was the time he just said, go ahead and do what you are threatening, I am no longer going to deal with you and will just take whatever comes. And maybe when she really felt she had no more power over him, she realized her only option (in her mind) was to kill him.

All MOO.

My theory is that he sleeps naked and he just woke up and she snapped a pic. He is holding his hand up trying to "block" the picture. Just a theory, I know...

 

[danzn16]

My theory is that he sleeps naked and he just woke up and she snapped a pic. He is holding his hand up trying to "block" the picture. Just a theory, I know...

I've thought the same thing since i saw the picture

 

[polleypockets]

Jodi Arias is Ambidextrous.




Ambidextrous kids more prone to mental issues
www.msnbc.msn.com
Children who are ambidextrous, using either hand with the same ease, may be more likely to have mental health, language and academic problems than their peers, according to a new study.

i guess i am not as crazy as i thought i am still having problems using my right arm because of muscle grafting surgery and i still can't use my left hand for crap

 

[kkdj]

My theory is that he sleeps naked and he just woke up and she snapped a pic. He is holding his hand up trying to "block" the picture. Just a theory, I know...

Yup I think he looks kinda outa it! And I suspect his fingers up are just saying hey what's up. I just can't figure out that tight armband! Why in his sleep?

 

[danzn16]

I still can't think of a logical reason why he is sitting down in the shower... I know y'all have beat that to death. But I just don't think a grown man would sit down in the shower and mope because his crazy ex showed up again with a camera. Or because she had a weapon.

 

[atthelake]

Originally Posted by JusticeJunkie
I brought this same article up eons ago, and was also ignored. Maybe you and I are the only ones who think this "new age" explanation fits right into JA's character. I think it to be a strong possibility.


I agree 100% + here is a line from website that I think fits perfect
Great find on this info JusticeJunkie
Outside Marriage, Sex's Emotional Bond:
However, outside of marriage, this bond still occurs. The emotional bond is a part of sex, it's always present, whether we like it or not. But, this extremely tight emotional bond is not such a good thing outside of marriage. Here's why...

(DO NOT remove the duct tape until you describe the break-up of the relationship)
http://www.reapteam.org/duct-tape

Very good exercise to send a message! Thanks for sharing that site


:banghead: What was that movie that they did that to someones chest, to make him less hairy they used duct tape. Was hilarious.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It's possible the reason the judge has not ruled yet is because it was an interstate call and the federal laws also apply. In any case the law is whichever state is the most restrictive, that is the law you must obey. So if she had told TA she was recording the conversation it would have been fine. Because she did not the recording was illegal in California and that is the law that has to be obeyed. That was my understanding from what you posted and was posted earlier in the thread. jmo

I agree. She seems to rule as it is coming in.

She took two hours to have a closed courtroom hearing to review certain pieces of evidence. At first I thought it was new evidence but now I think it was just evidence the DT was wanting in that she had not made a ruling on yet.

JMO

 

[kkdj]

I still can't think of a logical reason why he is sitting down in the shower... I know y'all have beat that to death. But I just don't think a grown man would sit down in the shower and mope because his crazy ex showed up again with a camera. Or because she had a weapon.

I agree 1000%! I wonder if his legs gave out for some reason. Jodi said in her interrogation that Travis had yelled out that he couldn't feel his legs. I think we all think that was after she stabbed him in the spine, but what if the reason he is sitting in the shower is because he couldn't feel his legs? Just a thought because his sitting in there has never made sense to me either.

 

[atthelake]

I still can't think of a logical reason why he is sitting down in the shower... I know y'all have beat that to death. But I just don't think a grown man would sit down in the shower and mope because his crazy ex showed up again with a camera. Or because she had a weapon.

We
Spent hous discussing late night one night. Polar opinions that a man would never sit in shower as yucky germs, and others said not uncommon. Some said perhaps he was mowing his lawn, manscaping as they say :blush:

 

[m00c0w]

JA probably has a mixture of personality disorders IMO. She does not fit any features of schizophrenia and you can believe if she did her attorney would have pounced on that. Even a high functioning, medicated schizophrenic has an "odd" (for lack of a better word) affect, very flat. Generally they are not very social. I can pick them out in a crowd. But that is just MOO.

She fits a few features of schizophrenia, and I've thoroughly explained it. Why, exactly, would her attorney "pounce on it"? They may even try to distance themselves from it. Arizona does not use the same "two prong" factor that a lot of states use for determining legal insanity. If the individual knew what they were doing at the time was wrong, they are still fully culpable. There was a case that went all the way to the SCOTUS (Clark v. United States), that contested this. A paranoid schizophrenic committed murder and the insanity defense was attempted, yet he was found culpable for murder and found guilty. The SCOTUS upheld the murder conviction.

Maybe a person with a severe form of schizophrenia fits the stereotypical qualities described, but they don't have to. It's actually often misdiagnosed as bipolar disorder. I had a girlfriend in HS that was a little bizarre, but no one thought anything was odd about it, until I broke up with her. She repeatedly told her mom all of these lies about me, how I was stalking her, how I wouldn't leave her alone (when I hadn't talked to her in months). She eventually left my school because she no longer met the requirements to go there. She would ask her brother (one of my best friends who still attended my school) and my other female friends that would go hang out with her how I was doing in great detail and about my current girlfriends at the time. She was eventually diagnosed as bipolar, and then diagnosed as schizophrenic.

:twocents:

 

[thefragile7393]

ITA.!!! It is fascinating and horrifying at the same time.

(And, very nice analogy with the chocolate, LotusPawprint! I LOVE it.:floorlaugh

It makes me wonder about the reason I find the armchair psychology lessons being conducted on this site so intriguing. I almost feel a certain desperation inside myself to be able to figure out a way to pigeon-hole JA into SOME kind of DSM category (please!) because the fact that I have NOT been able to do so... well, it SCARES the he// out of me. :O

If I cannot find a way that "explains" her behavior in a way that makes some logical sense to me (even if it IS contrived and convoluted) it opens up the door in my mind to possibly having to ADMIT that "true evil" MAY EXIST in the universe, and frankly, I do NOT WANT to believe that. So, I guess that may be why I keep looking for some sort of explanation??? lease:

A quote by Marie Curie comes to my mind: **Nothing in life is to be feared, it is only to be understood. Now is the time to understand more, so that we may fear less.**
Read more at: url]http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/mariecurie389010.html#8JusAUF5PkUKFuDl.99[/url]

What are we to DO when we encounter situations like this horrible tragedy?:banghead:

IMO it is obvious individuals MUST be held ACCOUNTABLE for their actions.

But, beyond all of that, how do we, as a culture, use what we learn from bearing witness to such horror, to somehow prevent such a thing from happening again in the future? :banghead:

Indeed, how do we prevent it from happening all around us, for that matter, as it seems to be doing if one notices all the other trials and crimes being discussed on this site in addition to this single trial?:banghead:

lease:For me, what is scariest is that without being able to understand JA, it means that: "but, for the grace of a higher power go I."
Whether that , then, means being JA, or being TA, or being TA's sister, or being JA's mother, to me, it is ALL VERY SCARY!!!lease:lease:lease:

(As an side, if I had to choose, it seems it might be less scary to be TA than to be JA's mother, iykwim? At least HIS suffering is over.{At least I hope so. MOO and all that} How does one come to terms with having brought JA into the world? It's so much easier to simply label JA as a non-human monster, but how does that help her human mother cope? kwim? Makes me glad I haven't children, tell you THAT much. But if everyone were like me, we'd have died out as a species a long time ago.)

If only I could figure out why...lease:
...maybe, then, this whole discussion site would be ever so much easier to move away from, and maybe I could get some stuff done.:fence:
I'm a little obsessive, myself, you may have noticed.:floorlaugh: Or not. Okay. Going to crawl back under my rock now.:twocents:
I think I may have an armchair as well as a couch under there somewhere...

I love your post. I find it very insightful. I am speaking of only nature here, not created socio/psychopaths here BTW....those that were shaped by life circumstances.

I have no problem admitting that sometimes at conception somethig just goes wonky when the brain wiring is been developed, just like sometimes children are born with a physical disability. I have no idea why it is so hard to fathom that sometimes kids are, for whatever reason, born with some brain wiring not like an average person's. It does not mean they will be a killer of course. No one has a perfect body or mind, so there are no perfect people. It means people would have to accept that there are always going to be a small few that are just truly just sick. People don't want to admit that. People hate the thought that in spite of a decent-good upbringing there are a tiny few of kids who grow up just being different.

It's easier to blame tangible things that can be controlled-bad parenting, drugs, abuse. I always go back to Ted Bundy as a prime example of all of this. Ann Rule's book mentioned that at the age of 3 (IIRC) he freaked out a relative. I have seen toddler pics of him and I have seen the same scary eyes he had as an adult. He had relatively decent parenting. And short of killing him early on nothing was going to stop Ted from being Ted.

Again.....not all wired like this will be killers, just like not all in abusive horrible situations that can create killers will choose that same path. I don't know if Jodi is a Ted, or a made socio/psychopath, or if it is combo of the two. I do know that there isn't always a logical explanation for someone's actions sometimes. When you take out the social factors....what is left sometimes?



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[Chester_from_THM]

Yup I think he looks kinda outa it! And I suspect his fingers up are just saying hey what's up. I just can't figure out that tight armband! Why in his sleep?

My thinking is that he wanted a constant physical reminder of why he should stay away from Jodi and to help his mind overcome his physical desires.

I like the just waking up theory, but I swear it looks like he is doing that sideways V gesture to the camera. It doesn't look like he is blocking the shot to me. And he doesn't look particularly startled.

These kinds of things really bug me! I hope I don't as obsessed with this case as I was with Caylee, trying to find explanations to every picture, story, phone call, etc. Trying to find the truth in all the lies.

 

[TigerBalm]

This is how I see the defendant, mimicking others to appear normal.
http://youtu.be/lcQlh1wTY9U


LOL
The defendant is hoping for a reaction like this from the jury.
http://youtu.be/6XbQCKMYEMY


For anyone who watched the CA trial.
http://youtu.be/A4Rus6eb1NA

 

[m00c0w]

I still can't think of a logical reason why he is sitting down in the shower... I know y'all have beat that to death. But I just don't think a grown man would sit down in the shower and mope because his crazy ex showed up again with a camera. Or because she had a weapon.

I sit down in the shower all the time, and I believe a few here have stated they or their significant others do. It's not all that odd, IMO, especially if you're trying to relax from being in a stressful position.

 

[popsicle]

I agree. She seems to rule as it is coming in.

She took two hours to have a closed courtroom hearing to review certain pieces of evidence. At first I thought it was new evidence but now I think it was just evidence the DT was wanting in that she had not made a ruling on yet.

JMO

Completely agree. There are court minutes where it is mentioned to bring the argument up at that point in trial or something to that effect.