Trial break: The State vs Jodi Arias; trial resumes 4 February 2013

[JusticeJunkie]

Personally I believe that evil exists in this world. No need for me to try and understand it or label it. When you have a person that will brutally kill someone like Jodi did, I have no desire to try and understand what is "wrong" with her. I felt the same way with Casey Anthony. Evil is evil. Those type of people do not deserve to live, IMO. They will always find a victim, they will always inflict pain and suffering on someone. These people can not be rehabilitated, can not change themselves and appear to have no desire to do so. Why keep them alive in prison until they die of natural causes? Why not save everyone the time, money and aggravation and just kill them?

I know there has been talk about nature/nurture. I also know that there are folks that believe that a baby is born a "blank slate" and that their parents and others around them mold them. I don't believe this. I believe that we are born with certain characteristics already formed. I believe that evil can be evil from birth. I believe that a good upbringing can help them to change who they are but that not all of them want to change who they are. I believe that when someone is evil that there are to many excuses used in order to try and understand what "made" them this way. However, if this is the casse then would we not see other siblings, raised the same way by the same parents, as evil as well? Take Jodi for instance, we have seen nothing evil from her siblings. Casey Anthony, her brother has shown no evil either. I'm sure there are many others as well that can be used as examples.

Sorry for the rant, just something that has been brewing for a few days now. I just can't stand it when an evil person is "excused" because of their childhood or upbringing.

MOO

Hi T'smom,
Perhaps we can learn.
We know these peeps exist, but many times it is only after a heinous act that we learn what they are, what peeps like this are capable of. If mental illness were not so taboo, it would be recognized the same way we detect the warning signs of a cold, the flue, a major illness.
There is absolutely no excusing their actions. They are 100% responsible legally. I am interested in the anomalies of the mind, and think we can learn a lot from these peeps. If warning signs could be identified, imagine what could be prevented. MOO

 

[Love Never Fails]

I have never known a man in 48 years that can hide the fact he is controlling or abusive in a relationship. That is his make up, his personality, his flawed character.

Whether it be a work associate, a client, a friends husband or significant other. Spend 1 our with him alone or in a group and that personality comes out.

I would really challenge anyone that says that "kind" of personality and behavior can easily be hidden from the entire outside world, and only comes out when alone with a woman.

To that I would say, you are not a good judge of character, or you are young and don't have experience with people and men. Not a criticism, but I am always open to being told that maybe I just did not see it. But everyone not see it? No way

I married at 19 and we were married ten years and he was exactly that....controlling and abusive and people did not know! And I had too much pride or was too naive to let people know. I finally got out of it alive. I have been married to a wonderful caring husband for 28 years and my first husband has had five wives after me and they all said the same thing. You do not know someone until you are married to them.

As for Travis, I do not believe he was that kind of man. To begin with, he was seeing other women and the others would have come forward to say he was that way. I think Jodi was obsessive to the extreme and wanted his lifestyle. I do not believe she is capable of love.

 

[lil_buddy]

Jodi killed Travis three times. That is evil. She has shown no remorse, went on with her life as if nothing happened. If she had never killed Travis, then no, we would not know that she is evil now. But I do believe that at some point, in time she would have killed someone. So far it appears that all of her exs are exs because she broke up with them. Travis was the first to break up with her. This caused her true self to shine through. If the cat story is true, then yes, Jodi would still be evil even if she had not killed Travis. If there is a person that does something like this, to a person or an animal, then they can be considered evil IMO. Since we can not see into a person's mind then how can we determine if their thoughts are evil? However, once they act on those thoughts then yes we can determine them as evil.

MOO

We have no evidence the cat story is true.
She lived 27 years on earth without murdering.
She may have even committed some kind acts in that time.

No one is all "good" and all "evil".
Some people cross the line into dangerous criminal who cannot be allowed to walk free amongst civilized beings.
I am curious to know why that is.

 

[kwmred]

If she was found not guilty because of self defense, she would walk. She would not be able to be charged again for his death (double jeopardy), and she might even be immune to civil liability depending on Arizona's laws (the family may not even be able to sue her for damages).

O.J. was found not guilty and was later sued in civil court and lost. Is this a state thing?

 

[katiecoolady]

Jennifer Hudson and students from Sandy Hook Elementry

This was precious!

My dad and I both were crying.

 

[TorisMom003]

Hi T'smom,
Perhaps we can learn.
We know these peeps exist, but many times it is only after a heinous act that we learn what they are, what peeps like this are capable of. If mental illness were not so taboo, it would be recognized the same way we detect the warning signs of a cold, the flue, a major illness.
There is absolutely no excusing their actions. They are 100% responsible legally. I am interested in the anomalies of the mind, and think we can learn a lot from these peeps. If warning signs could be identified, imagine what could be prevented. MOO

But there are warning signs. Casey displayed those signs before she killed Caylee. Jodi displayed those signs before she killed Travis. Instead some have tried to explain away those signs as due to their childhood and/or upbringing. Yet both have siblings that have not killed like they have. I don't think that mental illness is taboo, I just don't think that either woman has any mental illness. Not the kind that can be treated anyway.

I saw alot of my own mother in Casey and Cindy Anthony. There is NO mental illness in my mother. I could also easily see my mother killing someone when she did not get her way. I also know that I at times can be like my mother. This is something I have strived to change. If I see myself behave like my mother I stop and change my behavior. The difference between myself and mother, I work at changing those things I don't like about myself where she thinks that there is nothing wrong with HER and everyone else is the problem. She has been to counseling, however when one refuses to admit their own faults and instead blames everything on everyone else then nothing changes and the counseling does no good.

Jodi has shown that she feels that none of this is HER fault. She is still blaming Travis. She is still telling lies as to "what Travis did to her". So I see my mother in her as well I suppose.

MOO

 

[PrincessSezMe]

I recall seeing bruising on his legs/ankles from the autopsy pix. I'll have to look again bc I think there may have been a few slices/stabs there too...

There was nothing in the ME's report about wounds to the legs, but I noticed those bruises too. I went back to that shot of him from the chest down sitting in the shower, and there did appear to be a bruise on his right leg just below the knee. The rest of his leg was not visible in the picture, so I don't know about any of the other bruises shown in the autopsy photo. JMO.

 

[amyfarrahfowler]

OH yes 30 years later but i can still remember it like yesterday ...alot of life lessons and Self esteem buster shots LOL..Life is good Thank you so much !!

So glad to know that your life is GOOD, now.

That which does not kill us makes us stronger.
And in the meantime, sitting in the shower or in the rain helps.:twocents:

 

[Love Never Fails]

Why she did this is speculation so we are pretty much stuck with it. All discussions are welcome whether we agree with them or not as long as it's not just a way to bash the subject, or some other unrelated matter. You'd be surprised at some of what we might think of as speculation that is really out there turns out to be right on the target. Discussions that don't make much sense to us now might have a whole other meaning down the line.

I also sometimes skim through the posts because I know where it is going and just don't read it. It's all part of putting the puzzle together. Myself, I think the reason she killed him is old as dirt. If she could not have him and what he would provide her with (all the things she wanted out of life and her goals) then he had to go. She feels she already claim him as her's so no one else was going to have those advantages. Happens all the time in domestic murders.

Happy posting. jmo

There are people on this earth who are pure evil. I don't need to know why. Just lock her away from society so that she never ever doe it again.

 

[katiecoolady]

I think some people, like Scott Peterson, see a situation they want out of, weigh the options and decide all things considered, killing the person is the best choice. To me that speaks to all the premeditation, cover up. And is born out of a lack of conscience.

 

[Really?]

Evil is vague. What acts are evil? Are thoughts evil? Is it just murder that is evil?
Would you still say JA is evil if...
she had never met TA and never murdered anyone?
she had died in a car accident on her way to to TA's that night?
she was loving and kind to Brewer's kid as he claims?

Good question, evil is to me not giving a good darn hoot about anyone but yourself and in this case.........murder. Evil.:moo:

 

[lil_buddy]

Good question, evil is to me not giving a good darn hoot about anyone but yourself and in this case.........murder. Evil.:moo:

Your definition of evil is not legally criminal. There are plenty of people like this who commit no crimes.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Evil is vague. What acts are evil? Are thoughts evil? Is it just murder that is evil?
Would you still say JA is evil if...
she had never met TA and never murdered anyone?
she had died in a car accident on her way to to TA's that night?
she was loving and kind to Brewer's kid as he claims?

We do not have to consider those things. Because she committed the murder...three ways! That is ALL we need to know. Evil. Pure evil. Premeditated. Heinous.

 

[popsicle]

I think some people, like Scott Peterson, see a situation they want out of, weigh the options and decide all things considered, killing the person is the best choice. To me that speaks to all the premeditation, cover up. And is born out of a lack of conscience.

Hi Cool Katie, I agree with you except I don't think they even consider other options. They want the person gone completely and so they dispose of them permanently. jmo

 

[lil_buddy]

We do not have to consider those things. Because she committed the murder...three ways! That is ALL we need to know. Evil. Pure evil. Premeditated. Heinous.

You are happy with your assessment.
I prefer to dig deeper.
That is my right.
Agreed?

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

The calls Jodi made to Travis after murdering him so heinously, really mess with my mind. Well, the whole thing does, but this is really creepy to me.

And just one of the MANY bizarre actions she took after the slaughter...contrary to what most self-defense victims would do, wouldn't you agree? Would a self-defense victim call up to hear the voice of the person who just attacked her, in a manner that made her fear for her life??Hope the jury remembers this.

JMO

 

[katiecoolady]

When Willmott said she had "no choice" I think she was telling the truth but it was driven by Jodi's pathology. She couldn't see a choice of a life without Travis and him still being alive. What's so disturbing is the juxtaposition of Jodis quiet calm demeanor and all that rage.

 

[popsicle]

You don't have to actually murder someone to be charged with that murder.

 

[LambChop]

How would JA know that TA was going to take a shower? She could have easily killed him in the bed, anywhere actually. Why did she wait until 5:30 at night to kill him knowing his roommate would be home around 6pm? That means she would have run right into the roommate when she was cleaning up, etc? We know she intended to kill TA because we can see her plan, step-by-step. I still feel she had plans for the roommate and may have planned to make it look like a murder/suicide to take the attention off of her. Travis was in the shower and no threat to her she could have walked out the door easily. I think the pictures would never have been deleted if that was her plan. She could say she was with TA earlier in the day, then left before the roommate came home. The roommate found the pictures and obviously killed Travis. Jodi saves face because everyone will believe TA perferred a same sex relationship and that is why he rebuffed her. It would account for any of her DNA being in the house but the evidence would be pointing to the roommate.

It may have been a stroke of fortune for the roommate because he was delayed at work that day if this was, in fact, her plan. I just do not see her waiting so late in the day to kill him if this was the plan all along and we know she did plan it all out from the beginning to the end. That could be why those pictures were on her hard drive. She may have been trying to load them onto his computer. jmo

 

[m00c0w]

O.J. was found not guilty and was later sued in civil court and lost. Is this a state thing?

He was found not guilty, but not because the act was in self-defense. A lot of states' castle doctrines provide immunity from civil liability if the act was deemed to have been committed in self-defense. I am not sure about Arizona's particular laws.

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