Trial break: The State vs Jodi Arias; trial resumes 4 February 2013

[Pink Panther]

I agree. I just can not see anyone, female or male deciding to just slide down and voluntarily sit on the bottom of this shower. Way too vernable.

NOt even if someone put a gun (close range) to your head? Realy?

 

[smart blonde]

Would really like to see what y'all think about this scenario regarding the movie "Psycho" and the photos we have viewed. I can see Jodi convincing Travis to pose for this effect and then bringing out the knife and "really" using it. I'm thinking that the duct tape was used to anchor the camera in place for the photo session.

http://t.co/SNu7OIr5

This series of pics shows the exact reason my boyfriend has taken to calling Jodi "Norma Bates".

Yikes.

 

[Pink Panther]

I agree. I just can not see anyone, female or male deciding to just slide down and voluntarily sit on the bottom of this shower. Way too vernable.

NOt even if someone put a gun (close range) to your head? Really?

 

[LambChop]

I think I read in Flores' report that one of the roommates was home for part of the day, in the mid to late afternoon, in between doing things with his girlfriend. If that's the case, I think the reason Jodi waited until 5:30 to kill him is because she was waiting for the roommate to leave.

My understanding was that it was a different day. I could be wrong but I thought that was what I heard.

 

[Pink Panther]

^ I tend to agree with this theory. First shot, second shot jammed, repeated stabbings, throat slit. However, I think she brutally slit his throat because he was probably yelling/screaming/begging for help and she couldn't risk him being heard.

Which leads me back to a question I asked yesterday but didn't see a response - could someone please help me out with this?? TIA

Was it the case that no roommates, no neighbors, no passersby reported having heard screams, calls for help, or a gunshot?
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Nope. No neighbors were there and no one reported any sounds (gunshots or fighting).

 

[human]

What does that have to do with Jodi? And I think this is heading toward a political discussion which is way OT.

I don't see lil buddy's post about Condeleeza, but that is exactly the same thing I was thinking when people were talking about Jodi writing her last name the same as TA's.

 

[Pink Panther]

I don't see lil buddy's post about Condeleeza, but that is exactly the same thing I was thinking when people were talking about Jodi writing her last name the same as TA's.

huh? wth...

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I started out thinking that Jodi would have used the gun first and then resorted to stabbing and slicing when he refused to die. After listening to the ME and the prosecution I tend to agree with their basis that the gun shot to the head came at the end.

I didnt have an opinion at first but as I listened to the ME very closely I was convinced the gunshot came last and still hold those opinions. I know the DT is wanting the jury to believe the shot came first but when they read the MEs testimony in the deliberation room they will not agree imo. He may have had agonal breaths as he was dying and she shot him in the head last to make sure he was dead.

It lines up more with the timeline and crime scene photos imo including his defensive wounds plus bruising.

The ME was clear he saw that the bullet had entered the temporal lobe. All parts of the brain works in tandem and each part is needed. He would have become disoriented if shot in the brain and it would affect his motion skills. No way could he be cognizant enough to throw his hands and arms up to defend himself or be able to move around in the hallway and bathroom area.

I dont think he was knifed or shot in the shower.

IMO

 

[Pink Panther]

night all! no discussion here tonight. i'll catch up on my rest!

 

[panthera]

I think she shot him first (naively thinking he would die immediately) and was appalled that he didn't die. She panicked and stabbed repeatedly until finally she slit his throat!

How would you explain the pristine shell casing sitting atop the blood on the floor and the apparent lack of blood loss from the bullet wound?

I am in agreement with the ME that the first wound was a stab to his chest, followed by the back stabbing which likely started when he was at the sink spitting up blood, followed down the hallway to where she slit his throat in the bedroom. After JA was forced (in her mind) to drag him back to the shower, I believe the bullet wound was the coup de gras to finish him off.

MOO

 

[human]

There are articles on the cost of the death penalty. Here is a very recent one from California.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/06/news/economy/death-penalty-california/index.html

 

[m00c0w]

I didnt have an opinion at first but as I listened to the ME very closely I was convinced the gunshot came last and still hold those opinions. I know the DT is wanting the jury to believe the shot came first but when they read the MEs testimony in the deliberation room they will not agree imo. He may have had agonal breaths as he was dying and she shot him in the head last to make sure he was dead.

It lines up more with the timeline and crime scene photos imo including his defensive wounds plus bruising.

The ME was clear he saw that the bullet had entered the temporal lobe. All parts of the brain works in tandem and each part is needed. He would have become disoriented if shot in the brain and it would affect his motion skills. No way could he be cognizant enough to throw his hands and arms up to defend himself or be able to move around in the hallway and bathroom area.

I dont think he was knifed or shot in the shower.

IMO

BBM

There's no way the bullet could enter the temporal lobe via the path it took. And that's not an opinion.

 

[LambChop]

If that were the case, and it very well could have been, why did she pre-arrange a mid-day meeting with Ryan in Utah? TIA

Good question. I think it was stated that when she arrived he was up and she may have expected him to be in bed. The roommate would have also been home at that time. That would have put her in Utah for that mid-day meeting. Scratch Plan A. Makes it sound even more reasonable that she had to wait until the roommate came back home that night. It started to get late and she got nervous and left. jmo

 

[m00c0w]

How would you explain the pristine shell casing sitting atop the blood on the floor and the apparent lack of blood loss from the bullet wound?

I am in agreement with the ME that the first wound was a stab to his chest, followed by the back stabbing which likely started when he was at the sink spitting up blood, followed down the hallway to where she slit his throat in the bedroom. After JA was forced (in her mind) to drag him back to the shower, I believe the bullet wound was the coup de gras to finish him off.

MOO

BBM

There was a struggle. Things get kicked around and move in struggles. It's not impossible to think that the shell was kicked at some point and landed where it did.

And where was there an "apparent lack of blood loss" from the wound? His nose was clearly bleeding in the crime scene photos. This, to me, indicates potential trauma to sinus cavities (probably from a bullet impacting at least one of them). The ME did say that he was not able to detect hemorrhaging in the brain, but only because of the state of decomposition. The prosecutor took that and ran with it.

:twocents:

 

[PASA]

I'm going to open that can of worms again.........where is it said that Jodi had to shoot Travis in the shower? Couldn't she have stabbed him while he was in the shower, he made his way from the shower to the sink, she stabbed him in the back and head, he made his way to the hallway of the bathroom almost to his bedroom, she pulled his head back and slit his throat, dragged him back towards the shower, shot him in the head, then put him in the shower again when she was done killing him? Just because Travis was found in the shower with his left side facing out does not mean that Jodi had to have shot him first when he was in the shower.

MOO

That is the scenario I feel most likely happened. I'm open to the idea he was shot first, but being shot last fits the evidence in my mind.
Just MOO, not trying to sway anybody one way or the other.

 

[Rileyanne]

I just do NOT get these type people..Don't they know they WILL go to prison?:banghead:

As in OJ or CA? I always thought there was no such thing as the perfect crime...but, after the verdict in Florida, I found myself reluctant to become too invested in crimes and trials ...and right and wrong. And here I am following this one closely. Go figure!

 

[LambChop]

I don't see lil buddy's post about Condeleeza, but that is exactly the same thing I was thinking when people were talking about Jodi writing her last name the same as TA's.

Not sure I understand?

 

[popsicle]

From Justice4Travis FB page

Julee Black King

from the web sleuths board
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197414&page=5

"Originally Posted by kwmred View Post
So, IS is saying that the Freeman brother and sister visited Jodi in jail. Very interesting.
This doesnt surprise me! When the brother (cant remember his name) said he didnt like Travis initially because he thought he was too arrogant- I had a feeling something went down between him & Travis. This is obviously JMO, but I dont believe the siblings were on the best of terms with TA...

 

[Quester]

Nope. No neighbors were there and no one reported any sounds (gunshots or fighting).

Thanks, Pink!

 

[LotusPawprint]

Hi boys and girls :seeya: I'm just stopping by to catch up on posts.


I'll be sending out strength and love to Travis' friends and family for what's sure to be one tough week.

Have a nice nite and remember it's acceptable to eat pizza and wings for dinner every night this week! :great: