trial day 33: the defense continues its case in chief #96

[Linda From New York]

I had no desire to watch Willmott and her re-direct yesterday.

There was no redeeming that dude!

I found the end of yesterday's hearing on youtube. Is she done yet? It didn't seem that way. And a 1pm start time??? What the heck?

 

[Schuby]

I had no desire to watch Willmott and her re-direct yesterday.

There was no redeeming that dude!

I found the end of yesterday's hearing on youtube. Is she done yet? It didn't seem that way. And a 1pm start time??? What the heck?

I don't think she's done yet :facepalm:
I think we're all at the point of half tuning out everything the defense puts on. I feel bad saying that because one should be attentive to ALL the evidence, but, in this case, the defense has been on for days and days, weeks!, without establishing anything remotely credible. At some point, you tune out.

 

[Hat]

She isn't questioning the roommates, she was asking about the layout and trying to figure out why and how the smell wasn't noticed for a while. Two different things.

Frog in the soup pot.

 

[Linda From New York]

The many faces of Willmott when Juan is up at bat:

:facepalm:

:furious:

:what:



And my personal fave:



And Arias' from yesterday:



(20 seconds in)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL8kV_B4AGk&feature=youtu.be

 

[SunDawnn]

I have no problem with this in a death penalty case.

The problem is, it's a lie.
For the State to even consider this, let alone TRY this case as an domestic violence/defense case, is appalling.


So another words.... anyone can go out and murder anyone....deny it, then admit-yet-lie about it, only to THEN say 'something MADE you do it'....is what's going on?
Is that the message this case is sending to the people in this country?

Jodi Arias ambushed and bludgeoned this poor man to death but she gets to have the State pay 1-million dollars for her 'new and improved' lies?

You GOT to be kidding me.

 

[The Farm]

Boy wouldn't that a be a showdown if Judge Judge was questioning Jodi. "Uhhh is not an answer" "Soooo is not an answer!" "Don't look over there, look at my eyes when you answer!" "THAT ISN'T MY QUESTION!" :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

Boy Jodi would on the edge with Judge Judy if not go off.

hahahahahha

Love Judge Judy, wish they were all like her. She has them pegged as soon as she sits down.

 

[SunDawnn]

I thought the same about Travis being drugged . maybe when she was spying on him ,he had a glass of water or something and she poured some date rape drug in the water and he didn't know and drank it,(Jodi waited till it kick inn) and started to feel drowsy and went to take a shower to wake up ,just let the cool water run down his face. so,far thats the only thing i think that will weaken him so she could have the upper hand. Travis looks healithy and strong and quick in his movements from the before his killing videos I saw.

His toxicology report came back negative though.

 

[Schuby]

The problem is, it's a lie.
For the State to even consider this, let alone TRY this case as an domestic violence/defense case, is appalling.


So another words.... anyone can go out and murder anyone....deny it, then admit yet still lie about it, only to THEN say 'something MADE you do it'....is what's going on?
Is that the message this case is sending to the people in this country?

Jodi Arias ambushed and bludgeoned this poor man to death but she gets to have the State pay 1-million dollars for her 'new and improved' lies?

You GOT to be kidding me.

No, I'm not kidding. Who gets to decide if it's a lie? You? Innocence and guilt are not determined by a SunDawn tribunal or even a Schuby tribunal. It is a jury that decides if it is a lie, and they can only do that competently when both sides of a case are presented in their entirety.

 

[Linda From New York]

I don't think she's done yet :facepalm:
I think we're all at the point of half tuning out everything the defense puts on. I feel bad saying that because one should be attentive to ALL the evidence, but, in this case, the defense has been on for days and days, weeks!, without establishing anything remotely credible. At some point, you tune out.

I did watch some of it yesterday to a point. But when I reached that point, I tuned out.

I said it before, and I'll say it again, it all sounds like JUNK PSYCHOLOGY to me.

Why isn't a liar just a liar?

All that has been talked about between Arias, the doctor and her defense team is:

Supposed low self esteem
Getting called out and "hit" by her parents, if that is true. (and on a side note, being born in 1962 I was "hit" by my parents-so what)
Everyday ho-hum boyfriend-girlfriend problems
Can't stand up for herself in an argument
Blah, Blah
Being used by a guy for sex (happens all the time)

How many people have these problems and DO NOT kill someone? WHY is it an "excuse" for HER to "explain" why she murdered someone.

It's a bunch of BS.

 

[The Farm]

No, I'm not kidding. Who gets to decide if it's a lie? You? Innocence and guilt are not determined by a SunDawn tribunal or even a Schuby tribunal. It is a jury that decides if it is a lie, and they can only do that competently when both sides of a case are presented in their entirety.

Yes, that is the way it goes. And 1 million down the toilet in tax payers dollars.

 

[Schuby]

I did watch some of it yesterday to a point. But when I reached that point, I tuned out.

I said it before, and I'll say it again, it all sounds like JUNK PSYCHOLOGY to me.

Why isn't a liar just a liar?

All that has been talked about between Arias, the doctor and her defense team is:

Supposed low self esteem
Getting called out and "hit" by her parents, if that is true. (and on a side note, being born in 1962 I was "hit" by my parents-so what)
Everyday ho-hum boyfriend-girlfriend problems
Can't stand up for herself in an argument
Blah, Blah
Being used by a guy for sex (happens all the time)

How many people have these problems and DO NOT kill someone? WHY is it an "excuse" for HER to "explain" why she murdered someone.

It's a bunch of BS.

Lol, I know. As much as she lies, I'm really surprised she didn't come up with some better material to substantiate the abuse claims.

 

[Anbud]

His toxicology report came back negative though.

but these sort of drugs don't stay long in the body.

 

[Schuby]

Yes, that is the way it goes. And 1 million down the toilet in tax payers dollars.[/


At a million dollars, to put someone to death, clean of conscience, sure and secure in the knowledge that the accused had every opportunity to prove innocence and was still adjudicated guilty, it's a bargain.

 

[KandyKane]

Did anyone else find that RS's replies often sound like JA's replies?

I didn't say that!
I didn't use that word.
I can't rememebr.

I thought he sounded exactly like Jodi with the same phrases, the same arrogance and the same refusal to just ANSWER the question. It's like they're both just incapable of saying yes or no without some long detailed wandering aside that has nothing to do with the question and doesn't actually answer it at all. I actually thought that Samuels was even more evasive and contradictory than Jodi. And he was way more hostile.

Jurors don't like hostile experts. The tend to go with the one they just like better personally whatever their testimony is and especially when it's more difficult for the lay person to judge which expert is correct in their findings. They also prefer the expert that is prepared and answers questions succinctly and immediately with an economy of words. Every single thing that Samuels did with his arrogance, hostility, obvious unpreparedness in constantly contradicting himself as well fumbling constantly through notes and books, etc. just screams to jurors that he's totally incompetent by at the same time entirely egotistical and tend to disregard their testimony regardless of what it is.

Another thing they don't like is being ignored by the expert as if they aren't even there. Samuels NEVER once looked at the jurors or explained anything to THEM. Any expert that is accustomed to testifying in court knows that they need to actually face the jurors at times particularly in explaining things so that their testimony is understood as to what they're talking about and speak directly to them like a teacher before a class of students. Even Jodi knew to always talk directly to the jury when explaining her answers instead of acting like they aren't there at all and speaking directly at the questioner. I'm sure Jodi had to be told to do that and why, but Samuels is supposed to be an expert with all this court testimony experience yet he doesn't know that he has to talk to the jurors instead of pretending they aren't even there. I seriously have to wonder if this idiot has ever testified in court in his life with all his fumbling, non-answers, hostility, total unpreparedness, etc. It's like he made it a point to do EVERYTHING wrong as though he wants the jurors to hate him and discount everything he says. It's baffling.

 

[Schuby]

His toxicology report came back negative though.

but these sort of drugs don't stay long in the body.

They don't stay long in the body of a living person. Upon death the metabolic process shuts down and whatever is in the system at the time of death will remain.

 

[carnnell]

I did watch some of it yesterday to a point. But when I reached that point, I tuned out.

I said it before, and I'll say it again, it all sounds like JUNK PSYCHOLOGY to me.

Why isn't a liar just a liar?

All that has been talked about between Arias, the doctor and her defense team is:

Supposed low self esteem
Getting called out and "hit" by her parents, if that is true. (and on a side note, being born in 1962 I was "hit" by my parents-so what)
Everyday ho-hum boyfriend-girlfriend problems
Can't stand up for herself in an argument
Blah, Blah
Being used by a guy for sex (happens all the time)

How many people have these problems and DO NOT kill someone? WHY is it an "excuse" for HER to "explain" why she murdered someone.

It's a bunch of BS.

I am not so such you totally mean junk psychology because this may imply discounting many people who do suffer from PTSD. However, I think you might believe the way this guy is using the DSM-IV is junk. (ish) I am embarrassed that a licensed colleague would be an embarrassment to my chosen profession to help people with dire concerns.

I was so disgusted I ended with a headache (stress). I finally turned it off and couldn't watch "talking heads" on HLN the rest of the evening.

The DT is grasping at straws or life raft to represent a woman who has done everything to sabotage herself because she thinks she "knows best". Since this is a death penalty case the DT has to do something even if it is wrong.

JMHO

 

[KandyKane]

I would think she's checked but I believe she's allowed the pencils for her "Monet-worthy" drawRings.
And if so then why is she pilfering them? :dunno:

I honestly believe she can't help herself. She was always snooping everyone in a variety of ways. Just another manifestation of her controlling personality. I thought the same thing when she pilfered the trash can in the police interrogation room.

 

[KandyKane]

I wish I did and hope someone may post if they find one. I have wondered about the layout too.

Mostly because Jodi planned and went to such extremes of seemingly clever premeditation, e.g., gas cans, "burglary" of the .25, white rental car, trip to Utah, etc., yet also made many absurd and stupid blunders. I have wondered how she knew she could count on the roommates neither seeing her nor hearing her pre-planned slaughter. How did she know she could get in and out without being seen? Her scheme seemed to presume this.

I think she did her recognizance and already knew the roommates wouldn't be there and when they were expected back.

 

[lilblue]

...coming out of lurk mode because I just had a thought about the sequence of the attack...

I really don't understand why the defense would even try to say the gunshot came first. I think proves a more calculated premeditation than if it came last. I think the ME was very credible, and what he said about the head injury made a lot of sense. The gunshot at a minimum would incapacitate TA in some way. A subsequent attack with a knife then becomes much easier for ja to accomplish. It would also make it much easier to flee (wet naked man with a hole in his head is not going to catch her). It makes it look like killing him was the plan all along.

Conversely the stabbing first, butchering, followed by a final gunshot makes it look like a more out of control and possibly rage induced episode of sudden violence. The gunshot at the end could be seen as either a) putting him out of his misery or b) after realizing the gravity of what she has done she makes sure he's dead to "clean up". Either way it's 1st degree murder, but I think the defense position of "shot first" makes her more of a candidate for the the death penalty rather than less. A better story would be struggling for the knife (both of them have cuts on their hands). She manages to get the knife and keeps blindly stabbing at him out of fear and/or rage. Hope I'm making sense here...

 

[meanddblj]

http://www.abc15.com//dpp/news/regi...-spending-more-than-1-million-to-defend-arias

If I lived in AZ this would make me mad,
especially since there is a ton of wasted
time in this case!