trial day 33: the defense continues its case in chief #96

[Southern_Meadow]

Just read this on twitter regarding no court tomorrow. According to these tweets, it's not definite... yet.

WildAboutTrial ‏@WildAboutTrial 1h
I am told by the court that the decision on if court will be held on Thursday the 21st will be made at the end of trial today. #JodiArias

WildAboutTrial ‏@WildAboutTrial 1h
Apparently some of the attorneys might not be able to make it into court on Thursday. We will know at 4:30pm PDT what's up today

 

[OldCarGal]

Just heard Janine Driver say something odd. She said (paraphrasing) the biggest mistake anyone watching at home is to mirror a master manipulator.

The point that I'm confused on is that - they are master manipulators. Meaning they fool many (most) for a long, long time usually (unless they implode).

I also don't get what Dr. D means by mirroring. He is showing movements/behaviours that people do all the time. It's not strange that both JA and her lawyer would both put their hand in their hair over the course of a day in court. I mean, c'mon.

And I really like Janine Driver... I love what she does and how she describes things but I think Dr. Drew is making something out of nothing on this one.

The hiding/sitting on what appears to be a folder/documents on JA's part IS something potentially serious - that I hope is looked into, especially if the prosecution is missing a folder. Or perhaps JA did not want her DT to use something... what a creepy soulless creep.

If you watch the video closely, as she slides the yellow composition book/folder over in front of the computer, you will see the tip of the book come into view at the bottom right of the computer. She only moved it over she did not hide it, but maybe there was something under the book/folder that she hid and sat on.

Sorry for being many pages behind, I was cleaning this morning.

 

[Wake_me]

I think the point is he could have written clothing, shirt but he put sweater and then said he could have mistakenly written that down. Why would he insert his own opinion on what she said? It shows he could have been helping her with her storyline because in his mind he was already inserting information that just was not told to him. On his website Samuels claims that he can "help your case". That could mean he is willing to twist information that the defendant claims to mean something different than what is the actual case. In this case he has clearly proven he has done just that. There is no "thin veil" here. It could be seen as him tailoring the testing to fit into what he wanted for an end result. He should lose his license or at least his ability to testify in court. He is not competent to hold onto that position. Time for him to retire. jmo

Myself and others have mentioned it before, but with threads moving so fast I'll throw it out there again. The sweater comment was nothing in comparison to him saying she told him after the gun went off and he fell on her there was a brief struggle and she ran down the hall. I assume this is where her 'memories' ended when discussing it with him.

This issue arose when JM got her after the jury questions regarding how everything she claimed could have happened in 62 seconds, specifically her having to retrieve the knife. In her story she assumed it was either in the bedroom or the bathroom, though she somehow didn't notice it in either place after it was allegedly used to cut the rope before the murder.

She suggested that perhaps Travis had it first, and that she somehow got it off him. This would mean it would have to have been in the bathroom and in arm's reach for the 62 seconds to even be slightly plausible.

Her telling the Dr. she ran down the hall before the stabbing destroys her 62 second/knife in the bathroom story. Disregarding the impossibility for things to have happened as she described in the time frame provided, she would have had to run down the hall way and then come back to finish him off. Say goodbye self defense claim.

 

[DebinGA]

And to add to Juan's other attributes cost efficiency: His expert witness specializes in anxiety disorders (PTSD is an anxiety disorder), domestic violence and forensic evaluations (3 experts in 1).

I think it was in jury-question time that JM walked Jodi through her history with Bobby which made it clear, even back then as a teen, she was the one continually initiating contact post-breakup. She described breaking up with him (It's always her decision), then calling and calling and calling Bobby without his responding until finally (she'd badgered poor Bobby down to the point) he answered the phone. Her long history of refusing to take "no" for an answer will likely feature prominently in JM's close.

 

[rose222]

Oh my. In the Scott Falater trial (he was Mormon) "'experts' told the jury that stress from work had caused Scott Falater to be sleep-deprived" The defense claimed he stabbed his wife while sleep walking! JM argued otherwise. That jury did not believe the bogus experts in that trial and this jury will not believe Samuels or any other defense expert in this case.

Let common sense prevail!

 

[laniefi]

The more you guys talk about that trial the more I'm glad I never followed it.

You know... it felt like someone punched me in the gut when that NG verdict came in.

Caylee was not anyone's baby on these boards and we cared more about justice for her than her own family did.

Sorry to digress.

 

[KMouse]

He sure had her pegged didn't he?

What in the heck did JA say/do after that text that she was able to squirm her way back into his life....

She probably apologized and whined and then stroked his ego about how wonderful he was and how much she missed him and the good times together and then went on to give examples such as when they <insert any sexual situation here> which got his juices flowing and he was hooked once again.

 

[Colt46]

I read this DV experts online resume yesterday and she seems to be a bit of a professional expert witness, LOTS of court cases listed with her as expert witness

She may be a professional expert witness with a great CV, but I'm willing to bet that by the time JM is finished with her, Travis will emerge as the true 'victim' of abuse. I would love to hear JM give a dramatic reading of TA's last text to Jodi in his Closing! Unfortunately, it may have cost him his life.

MOO

 

[Steely Dan]

I think part of the purpose of the DV expert will to explain the 'seemingly' heinous nature of the murder. That after years of abuse it is not uncommon for a battered woman (who had just defended herself after one last instance of domestic abuse) to emotionally exorcise the years of torment on her abuser in such a manner.

I don't agree with it for a second, but it is what I am expecting to hear.

I don't doubt that TRULY abused women may do overkill, but Jodi wasn't abused. JMO

So does this mean that every case he has ever testified in will be overturned because he now states his belief that false stories are always the same details and people who tell the truth are inconsistent??????? So the Ninja to self defense makes self defense a believable story because some of the information is the same????? Wow, just, wow. That sets psychology back a bit, doesn't it?

BBM

If anyone took him seriously it might. :floorlaugh:

... and they are expecting it. Hence Wilmott and Samuels' dig about anyone who says his method of testing was incorrect would be "irresponsible".

Sleaze bags!

They can say that, will anyone on the jury believe it? :waitasec:

The DV expert is going to be more entertaining than the PTSD expert! There is not one shred of evidence that JA was battered or abused. JA's offhand remark to Det. Flores on the first interview was very revealing. When he asked her if Travis owned a gun...she replied that he had no weapons, only his FISTS! The seeds of DV were planted. She thought she was sooo clever!

If TA beat her up, choked her, etc., why were there no photos??? She never left home without her camera! Why did she move 1000 miles to be near her 'abuser'? Why didn't she file a police report and get a restraining order? Why did she move back to Mesa after they broke up? Why, why, why??? Instead of slashing tires and stalking TA's girlfriends, why didn't she warn them that he was violent? Or that he was a pedophile? Why didn't she warn David and Sky Hughes that TA was a pedophile when he was baby-sitting their children? But more importantly, why didn't she simply move back to Yreka, change her phone # and internet passwords, get a restraining order, if necessary, and tell TA to get lost???

If I were the DV expert, I would seriously consider calling in sick due to the "Juan Flu'!!!!

:goodpost:

Here's our good friend Mr. Gus Searcy on TV being sued by his daughter. Jodi knew him at this time.

No wonder Juan hates him--he's ridiculous!

What was that about?

 

[Nosey Parker]

I would imagine they worked hard last night to try and redeem Mr. Samuels with some type of re-cross today. If she does it will probably look as if she is trying to do just that, cover for his errors. I do think it is a waste of time and would just rehash the fact of how bad he did under JM. JM gets another chance to ask Samuels a question when the jury asks their questions so whatever JW tries to do today will probably be lost after the jury questions.

That journal entry of Jodi's about being upset with Travis with his comment about families and getting married upset Jodi. Her eyes were set in that black, lifeless stare she does when she is about to come unglued. To me it appeared JW reached over to hold Jodi's arm while JM was reading that excerpt from her journal. She did not like it at all. If that is what JM was doing they need to put a guard close to her and not across the courtroom. The jail must have some concerns about her behavior or she would not be wearing a shock belt. It could also be why we see her put that pill in her mouth, to calm her down. jmo

Wonder if that journal entry followed a decisive statement from Travis that there would be no marrying Jodi - the beginning of her melt down?

I saw her smirking at her b/f in the gallery (Bryan?), and I saw her tucking the folder under her hiney, but I didn't see her taking a pill. Must have been letting the dogs out at that point.

 

[teledude]

My wife said Jodi has lost so much weight her bony butt may be sore from sitting and she put the folder under her for a cushion. (?)

As someone with plenty of cushion myself I hadn't thought of that

 

[Schuby]

You know... it felt like someone punched me in the gut when that NG verdict came in.

Caylee was not anyone's baby on these boards and we cared more about justice for her than her own family did.

Sorry to digress.

I bet. After following this trial so closely and getting invested in his siblings and Juan, and everything, I can only imagine.

 

[concernedmother]

I really dont understand why all this time wasted with PTSD. Has nothing to do with shooting and stabbing TA. They need to spend more time trying to debunk premeditation.Who cares about her stress level after the fact.

 

[Steely Dan]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0ehd7zVwvQ"]Gus Searcy on Judge Judy - YouTube[/ame]

 

[momof7]

She probably apologized and whined and then stroked his ego about how wonderful he was and how much she missed him and the good times together and then went on to give examples such as when they <insert any sexual situation here> which got his juices flowing and he was hooked once again.

See, I am not sure that she did get back in his good graces. I am not 100% on board with the fact that he even knew she was there until 1 pm that day. He took a call iirc around noon with one of the PPL people. She says they didn't wake up till after 1. So, there are some inconsistencies still that make me think her arrival was not something he knew was going to happen. And when it did, like another posted, he went with it to avoid the scene and just get her out of there. But she came back when she realized it didn't work, he still was going to Cancun without her. He was still moving on. So, what else was there to do for her but to use violence to fix it.

Kelly

 

[laniefi]

I agree! I wrote a series of articles on DV for a local newspaper. What strikes me here is that the power and control rested with JA, not TA. She exhibits all the signs of an abuser. HE was the one in fear. He sent that text because she was 1000 miles away. I seriously doubt he would have said those words to her in person. He would have been too frightened.

I don't think he had sex and took those photos with JA that day bc he was weak and needed "it." He did it because he was SCARED not to. He just wanted to get away from her, but, essentially, he was a prisoner in his own home. Did she hold him hostage with a gun to his head? No. But she wouldn't leave and he thought he could handle her the way he always had and deal with the fallout later. Only, there was no later.

I also don't think JA was happy when she picked up that camera and saw TA had deleted all of their "tryst" photos. She thought he would keep them. For her, THAT was significant. He didn't want her or any record of her being in Mesa, either. She'd gone to a lot of trouble and pulled out all the stops, down to the braids. And it wasn't enough. He was ACTUALLY leaving her-physically AND emotionally. HE was ending it. No other boyfriend had done that.

There is a good case of emotional and sexual abuse here, but it wasn't TA doing the abusing. It was JA. The defense expert will talk a lot about the cycle of violence and escalation, etc. But she will NOT convince me that the victim of DV was anybody but TA. He finally worked up the courage to end it. And she killed him. :twocents:

BBM - Thank you for helping me see the dynamic of the relationship in a different way. I had for so long thought she manipulated him with sex. I now see how my own personal gender bias brought me to that conclusion.

 

[josie1986]

I'm sorry if this has been posted before. Another little clip of JM in the Scott Falater trial. Scott was convicted of murder in the first degree.

Scott Falater sleepwalking defense.mp4 - YouTube

he has a pretty good track record :great: i'd sure like to see his stats

 

[Wake_me]

I don't doubt that TRULY abused women may do overkill, but Jodi wasn't abused. JMO

I agree. The way I worded it may have sounded like I didn't believe it was possible in general. However, I meant specifically with JA.

 

[Liebchenmutti]

"Central air" that gets you cold enough to pull a sweater out of storage in June in AZ in a house the size of TA's ...Would run you about $800 for the month of June. I dunno... but in my house Homie don't play dat.

That's the temp I like--cold enough to have to bundle up inside. Unfortunately my DH doesn't agree (and he pays the bills around here!). However when I was preggo I was soooo hot all the time--I would sweat, so I got to put it at 68 degrees. He hated it. And it is VERY expensive, and we were in *very* south TX w/100 to 110 temps in summer.

Jodi lies about everything, so her saying she was wearing a sweater can only be seen as yet another lie she told.

I'm puzzled about why she would give differing stories to her experts--did she not know they would be in court?

 

[Sustained]

Gus Searcy on Judge Judy - YouTube

Deadbeat dad, huh ? But that ring makes him a "big" man lol ...