trial day 33: the defense continues its case in chief #96

[Veritas_Vita]

Jumping off your post here. I think JA was a source of internal conflict. He was trying to follow the principles of his faith, yet was drawn in by a very "human instinct". It was not in his character structure to be mean or cruel from what we have heard. JA knew this and played into that big time. She knew he would not turn her away. She knew, that although he might have been dismissive in his texts to her in the end, that he would always be kind. She had a habit of taking advantage of kindness and in this case, she took it away forever. JMO

I totally agree with this. I believe he was trying to follow his principles of his faith and his big heart opened the door for her. I don't think he opened the door because of possible sex with JA, he was trying to be celibate again.

 

[TartLemon]

Out of the loop a bit so hate to ask but what time does Court start today? TIA

1pm Phoenix time.

google 'time phoenix' to pop up real phoenix time.

 

[scorpio24]

Interesting thought -- it never occurred to me before that TA had actually deleted the tryst pictures, but you're right, it would just add to her rage. I, too, feel that she drove to that house with the intention to win TA back, and kill him if she couldn't.

I'm not sure that TA was afraid of her, physically -- I see him more as simply a red-blooded young guy who was struggling with trying to adhere to the dictates of his faith, and was at a weak moment, having just been rebuffed by the woman he'd thought might be "the one," who was now just going to Cancun with him "as a friend." (While I'm not Mormon, I come from a similarly-conservative Christian background, and am well aware of the cycle of guilt that young Christians feel when engaging in various sexual activities, as well as the rationalizations, e.g., "oral sex isn't real sex, so it's OK," or "anal sex isn't real sex, so it's OK" they often use to convince themselves that they're "still a virgin." Much of what JA said about Travis's communications to her in that regard is very familiar to me -- I don't see TA as trying to fool JA into impermissible sexual activity by telling her that certain activities were OK; rather, I see him trying to protect both of them from guilt, as well as to find a way to rationalize their sexual antics so they can keep on doing them, for their mutual pleasure.)

While he had recently re-committed to being chaste, Jodi caught him at a moment when his defenses were down, and was able to talk him into one last sexual romp, which I am sure he had come to regret even before those final shower photos were taken. To me, the discomfort he shows in the photos is caused by guilt at what he is doing, rather than fear. I think that at some point between the sexual activity and the shower, they had a long talk, and he tried to make her understand that pigtails and Brazilians weren't going to change his mind about the fact that their relationship was over.

I wonder -- did the photo expert say anything, or have any information, about WHEN the photos were deleted? Is it possible to know whether TA could have deleted one batch before the shower pics, with JA deleting the rest after the murder? Interesting stuff.

I've wondered the same thing myself! I don't know if there is a time stamp on the photo DELETIONS, but it would sure be interesting to find that out. I'm quite sure those are not photos TA would want her to have access to. I do think he already knew about the phone sex tape. So, I think it's entirely possible that he was the one to delete those. (I'm not basing that on anything she said. Just my own aversion to any kind of indecent digital photos being taken lest they end up in the "wrong hands.")

As for me, I have absolutely no problem believing TA was afraid of JA physically. She had already slashed 12 tires and a friend mentioned TA once said something like "Don't be surprised if I don't show up one Sunday and you find me dead." I'm not sure if he truly BELIEVED she would take it to that level, but I do think he did everything he could to keep her from it. Remember how she said she used sex to "appease him" when he got angry? Reverse the roles and you just might have something resembling truth.

During my research, I learned that many men are victims of DV, but it goes largely unreported because, well, men don't want to be seen as abuse victims. It's not "masculine." Women like JA count on that. :twocents:

 

[Boodles]

The way I, as a layperson, understand PTSD is because the sufferer constantly relives the trauma. So if Jodi has amnesia, how can she have PTSD? Either she's lying about the amnesia or the PTSD.

No way to ever know, because Jodi constantly lies about everything.

IMO, Jodi remembers every single gory detail but will never tell because it's a mechanism of control. She knows exactly what no one else does and gets a thrill out of the speculation.

Agree. Who has PTSD without experiencing "flashbacks," nightmares and having an exaggerated startle response? She has no nightmares! She didn't even lie about this!

 

[passionflower]

I have been MIA for a few days.
How long does this trial expected to last before jury goes for verdict?
TIA

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Much to my dismay, Nurmi will probably conduct the direct on LaViolette.

I'm glad someone other than me heard him say it. He's also said good after Jodi answered one of his rambling compound questions. I was looking to see if he gave her a cookie.

 

[redkatrampant]

1pm Phoenix time.

google 'time phoenix' to pop up real phoenix time.

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=197

 

[Ramblinrose01]

I really dont understand why all this time wasted with PTSD. Has nothing to do with shooting and stabbing TA. They need to spend more time trying to debunk premeditation.Who cares about her stress level after the fact.

AMEN!!!!!:rocker:

 

[Schuby]

I've wondered the same thing myself! I don't know if there is a time stamp on the photo DELETIONS, but it would sure be interesting to find that out. I'm quite sure those are not photos TA would want her to have access to. I do think he already knew about the phone sex tape. So, I think it's entirely possible that he was the one to delete those. (I'm not basing that on anything she said. Just my own aversion to any kind of indecent digital photos being taken lest they end up in the "wrong hands.")

As for me, I have absolutely no problem believing TA was afraid of JA physically. She had already slashed 12 tires and a friend mentioned TA once said something like "Don't be surprised if I don't show up one Sunday and you find me dead." I'm not sure if he truly BELIEVED she would take it to that level, but I do think he did everything he could to keep her from it. Remember how she said she used sex to "appease him" when he got angry? Reverse the roles and you just might have something resembling truth.

During my research, I learned that many men are victims of DV, but it goes largely unreported because, well, men don't want to be seen as abuse victims. It's not "masculine." Women like JA count on that. :twocents:

The only problem with Travis being the one to delete photos is that if he didn't want images like that of him on his camera, why take the photos to begin with? It was almost certainly his idea, not Jodi's, as she was trying to leave less evidence of her presence that day, not more.

 

[The Farm]

The way I, as a layperson, understand PTSD is because the sufferer constantly relives the trauma. So if Jodi has amnesia, how can she have PTSD? Either she's lying about the amnesia or the PTSD.

No way to ever know, because Jodi constantly lies about everything.

IMO, Jodi remembers every single gory detail but will never tell because it's a mechanism of control. She knows exactly what no one else does and gets a thrill out of the speculation.

From what I can understand out of all this she KNOWS exactly what she did.

 

[SyraKelly]

Hi everyone,
Sorry I did not get look at the conversation with Jodi & the M lady-(the lady that came over to Jodi yesterday while they were in a looong sidebar last night,but I am doing it now



I will post what I find in a few,its hard b/c Jodi is talking really fast but I did make out a few things things

 

[Schuby]

I've wondered the same thing myself! I don't know if there is a time stamp on the photo DELETIONS, but it would sure be interesting to find that out. I'm quite sure those are not photos TA would want her to have access to. I do think he already knew about the phone sex tape. So, I think it's entirely possible that he was the one to delete those. (I'm not basing that on anything she said. Just my own aversion to any kind of indecent digital photos being taken lest they end up in the "wrong hands.")

As for me, I have absolutely no problem believing TA was afraid of JA physically. She had already slashed 12 tires and a friend mentioned TA once said something like "Don't be surprised if I don't show up one Sunday and you find me dead." I'm not sure if he truly BELIEVED she would take it to that level, but I do think he did everything he could to keep her from it. Remember how she said she used sex to "appease him" when he got angry? Reverse the roles and you just might have something resembling truth.


During my research, I learned that many men are victims of DV, but it goes largely unreported because, well, men don't want to be seen as abuse victims. It's not "masculine." Women like JA count on that. :twocents:

Actually, I just realized it's impossible that Travis deleted the photos because he was dead or dying when the last three accidental shots were captured.

 

[Rosemary Pierce]

I watched a video of her a while back. I think she has a good reputation and I am betting she will testify to generalities re: DV and try to stay away from too much of the "foggy" details of JA's stories. My guess is that she will be infinitely more professional on cross than Samuels was. She will give pros some points on cross - just my bet. Someone said she has testified as an expert in many cases; it would be interesting to see how many we're for def vs for pros.

JM will probably hammer home the fact that JA lied to AL (Arias admitted to this) so her evaluation is based on lies.

 

[KMouse]

Jumping off your post here. I think JA was a source of internal conflict. He was trying to follow the principles of his faith, yet was drawn in by a very "human instinct". It was not in his character structure to be mean or cruel from what we have heard. JA knew this and played into that big time. She knew he would not turn her away. She knew, that although he might have been dismissive in his texts to her in the end, that he would always be kind. She had a habit of taking advantage of kindness and in this case, she took it away forever. JMO

Absolutely. JA is a manipulative predator. People like her seek out people like Travis.

 

[sysmanager1963]

When this trial began, I felt it was so vile that TA talked the defendant into having oral and anal sex b/c it 'wasn't really sex.'

I can't believe I fell for her BS.

I now believe completely that she convinced him that these variations of sex did not "count" and offered these services to him. Thus, TA's "you are the worst thing that ever happened to me" statement. She f'd him over, literally and figuratively.

My thought from the very beginning!

 

[Snoopy1]

No morning session? Are they having another hearing or something?

someone posted up thread that Wilma has a funeral to attent this morning

 

[scorpio24]

The only problem with Travis being the one to delete photos is that if he didn't want images like that of him on his camera, why take the photos to begin with? It was almost certainly his idea, not Jodi's, as she was trying to leave less evidence of her presence that day, not more.

Oh, I don't think the photos were his idea at all. He was half asleep in the first couple. No, I think she already had his camera in hand ready to go when he woke up.

Again, I think he did it to appease her, always planning to delete them after the fact. The fact that they were on HIS camera only made him more comfortable with the idea.

At that point, she wasn't really as worried about leaving less evidence. She still thought she had a chance to win him back and go to Cancun.

 

[Novice Seeker]

I have been MIA for a few days.
How long does this trial expected to last before jury goes for verdict?
TIA

Here's a hint: By the time this trial is finished ALL the jurors will be retired, The judge is going to be having difficulty hearing all of the objections due to hearing aid technical difficulties, the DT will probably be on their third round of attorneys due to others retiring and JM, in his fearless commitment to seeking justice for a victim who was brutally murdered, will be utilizing a walker with wheels to get move around the courtroom.:rocker:

 

[scorpio24]

Actually, I just realized it's impossible that Travis deleted the photos because he was dead or dying when the last three accidental shots were captured.

I'm just referring to the afternoon sex photos, not the ones in the shower. I'm sure she thought the one of herself striking the Titanic pose was a keeper. He didn't.

 

[Sleuth13]

someone posted up thread that Wilma has a funeral to attent this morning

Gotcha! Thanks Snoopy1 :seeya: