trial day 37: the defense continues its case in chief #107

[scorpio24]

http://www.supportstore.com/awareness-domestic-violence.html
The ribbons for domestic violence.

Then the ribbons worn by TA's family are symbolic in more ways than one since he was a DV VICTIM. :rocker:

 

[Timber]

IMO So far this is an Awesome witness for the Prosecution !

Agree ... Which is worrisome to me.
After ALV is done with her generalization testimony ...
Willmott will someway twist this around to attempt to portray JA as victim.

I don't know how Willmott will be able to do this - but somehow she will try.

This expert seems quite intelligent and knowledgeable in her field - can't see her allowing her words to be twisted to fit the defense storyline. (like Samuels shoving his square peg in a round hole bulldog testimony)
She's not an obvious 'say whatever to make a diagnosis fit whatever storyline Willmott wants' witness. (so far, in my opinion)

But something will change ...
Otherwise this would be a prosecution expert based on what she's said so far.

Worrisome.

 

[katiecoolady]

I like this witness, and she definitely knows what she's talking about in terms of all the various forms of abuse. I am really eager to hear how she relates this to Travis and Jodi. I would be surprised if she makes a flat out conclusion that Travis was an abuser -- maybe she'll couch it as Travis having more power in the relationship and Jodi's perception. A lot of what she will be relying on will be what Jodi has relayed to her, but there are other pieces of evidence besides Jodi's word that she can point to as well.

For example, Travis not wanting Jodi to spend time at Rachel's, Travis joking about why Jodi would want to spend time with her family, telling her not to write things in her journal, the names Travis called her and ultimately telling her she's the worst thing that ever happened to her, Travis getting mad at her for hanging out with John "" because he was not in the church, etc. Those are all things that can be found in her journals or in the text messages between Travis and Jodi.

And I hate to say it, but those behaviors of Travis' are unhealthy behaviors and are not appropriate in a romantic relationship. Obviously, the healthy thing to do would be for Travis to leave the relationship if he was unhappy with Jodi's behaviors. Travis did have more power in the relationship, but that does not mean he was abusive -- especially in this situation because Jodi was constantly doing the passive aggressive stuff to hurt Travis and sabotage his life.

I'm not particularly worried because there are so many behaviors of Jodi's that Juan can ask her about that clearly fall within her continuum. And besides that, there's nothing that remotely would cause Jodi to fear for her life when she murdered Travis.

According to Beth last night, Laviolette cannot speak to Travis as an "abuser" AT ALL, decided in a lengthy hearing related to her testimony. WHen JW starts to go there we will be seeing aerobic objections I'm sure.

PS in terms of holding more power, I agree in the way "he who cares the least holds the power" in a relationship. But that balance of power, I believe turned, when Jodi started terrorizing him through stalking, slashing , threatening emails and I believe threats of exposure.

 

[Beffie]

SO according the the paid shill of the day, every damn one of us is abused or an abuser.

Bunch of worthless anecdotes, don't we have asomeone on trial here?

How about some facts relevant to the slaughter of a nice man by some psycho liar. Who honed her slaughter skills on a family pet.

Oh my goodness, THANK YOU. I thought it was only me. I am abused and I am an abuser. :'(

 

[commspecialist]

What imbalance of power..??

Travis never even hurt Jodi in self defense when she brutally attacked him! (though you could argue that he was incapacitated, but really, a former wrestler who is larger than Arias could have hurt her if he wanted to.)

It's nuts..

 

[SkiptomyLu]

I'd have to disagree for at least me personally. I stayed after probably a dozen or more threats and one legitimate attempt. My ex had climbed the Hoan Bridge in Milwaukee, and was kindly escorted by law enforcement to the local mental health facility for a mandatory 72 hour hold, 3 years before I left for good.

Him threatening suicide preyed upon my compassion - which in turn kept me in the relationship which was its true intent.

FWIW

BBM

Precisely why it is called Emotional Blackmail.

 

[shiloh42]

who's cat was it and how do we know this info? TIA

The cat story was reported on either Nancy Grace or Dr Drew by a woman named Veronica (IIRC) who called in. She said she worked with JA in Palm Springs/Palm Desert and that Jodi was a lousy waitress who hung around in the parking lot on a cell phone constantly calling her unnamed boyfriend and getting angry he wasn't calling back fast enough to suit her. Veronica related the cat story. A co-worker asked Jodi to take care of his cat. Veronica said that Jodi told her she'd locked the cat in a dark room, with food and water, and left it alone for 2 weeks. When she let the cat out it was shaking in fear.

Ok in fairness this hasn't been proven as fact, but it also hasn't been denied either. And that is abuse of an animal.

 

[G&AMom]

Thanks. I've been corrected. Going back to edit my post.

In the screen capture shot it did look purple, but the first time the camera panned over that way, it sure looked blue. Perhaps the camera doesn't distinguish colors as well as it might.

 

[meanddblj]

Katiedid2 praying for your family :angel:

 

[ElleElle]

The words: balance of power can't get outta my head right now.

:facepalm:

 

[muddymcduck]

I agree, she has done much for the victims of domestic violence over the years.

Respectfully though, I am not taking that away from her - she is taking that away from her by the misuse of her knowledge in this trial. :moo:

Hi Nosey Parker, thanks for your response.

I certainly understand your perspective. I'm not certain, however, that we can suggest she has misused any of her knowledge or expertise as of yet, as she has not directly addressed the relationship in question.

Once she begins to do so, I will be interested to know on what evidence she has established her professional opinion on the nature of the relationship. Is it simply anecdotal from Jodi's perspective, or has she had access to other materials that might help balance her perspective.

Cheers!

 

[scorpio24]

Katiedid2 praying for your family :angel:

Me too! I'm so sorry!

 

[SusieD]

I have a question and am not sure where to put it. I will ask here and maybe you can direct me to the right thread. I was thinking of the little boys underwear that Travis made Jodi wear. I keep thinking about Cameron Diaz in the boy underwear when she was in Charlies Angels. I am sure alot of men thought that was sexy, but has that ever been discussed as that is why he wanted her to wear them, if he ever did. I do not believe much of what she says. I have a hard time believing her saying Travis was masterbating to young boys pictures when none were found in his house or computer. Thanks.

Jodi lies about everything. It is very doubtful he bought those underwear or ever mentioned them. It's doubtful they even exist

she lies about EVERYTHING

 

[manzana]

domestic violence awareness ribbons are purple. Ja's aunt's ribbon looks purple. :twocents:

this is why they have purple

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Any predictions on how much longer this trial will last?

 

[leebee52]

I don't remember ever hearing that Travis was calling and texting the carp out of JA. I don't recall hearing that he ever interrogated her about who she was with, when, where, etc. Overall, it seems to me that JA's story to everyone has been exactly what Travis would have said about her.

 

[Boytwnmom]

which is why I can't listen today. This is not like medical science where tumor precursors can be shown and measured. This is, IMO, what often happens when someone has a "cause" they devote their life to and turn it into a profession. They see "it" everywhere. They can't help it. And everything confirms their beliefs. And because it involves people and behavior it can encompass basically anything so that anything an "abuser" does is indicative of being an abuser. When you fail to truly study an issue you only get part of the picture. As Alyce herself says:

"There is no research that can say that the cost of women's violence — emotionally, physically, or in regard to property damage — in any way matches the violence perpetrated by men.

What I say is how much research has been devoted to women as abusers instead of the abused? How much support do men have to come forward and claim abuse? How much research has been done to show what women who abuse are like?

You can't know what you don't investigate.

And this is NOT to demean abused women or those who help them. I have done volunteer work with them myself. It's just that even I know that women can be just as bad as men. Just as abusive and controlling-I just think they often use different methods, methods which seem to be ignored in favor of limiting analysis to what men who abuse do. All of this is just IMO!

So there's "no magical number" yet Laviolette can magically determine these things?

 

[katiecoolady]

I have come to the conclusion based on many observations, that things are not as they may seem in the Jodi's Mom/Aunt camp. Now I really gots to go get something done on the lunch break!

 

[gitana1]

While we're "on a break" for a moment...

I'm at work during the day (and can't watch streaming video), so my knowledge of the trial testimony has largely come from this website.

I'm making an educated guess that on cross, if JM wants to get into the ways JA fits an abuser/stalker profile, he'll be limited to evidence that has already been admitted. (I see no reason why it would suddenly be admissible simply because "it helps the prosecution even more now.") Can anyone summarize, in a nutshell, what the JURY has heard about JA's stalking activities? I know the bells keep going off for us as we hear/read the expert's testimony, but we know a lot more than the jury does at this point. How much of the tire slashing, e-mails, etc., have they heard so far (and how much of that activity was conclusively tied to JA)?

That was my question.

who's cat was it and how do we know this info? TIA

PINSKY: Take us back to when you were working with her allegedly in the desert area, Palm Springs, I think you said Rancho Mirage. She was a waitress, you were there, and you started hanging out with her and she gave other people the creeps so badly that your co-workers are telling you to stay away from her. Tell us about that.

VERONICA: Absolutely. Jodi had major issues that we could call see. She was horrible at her job so, I was always helping her, picking up her slack.

Everyone else wouldn`t touch -- wouldn`t help her at all at work, because every time she got a bad tip from a table it was oh, there was a woman at the table, Veronica, she was jealous of me. That was the reason she got a bad tip. Not horrible service.

PINSKY: And then the friends of yours that told you to stay away from her, what was it they were sensing? We`re hearing more and more that she had this sort of what she called a spiritual side, which just sounds like sort of this weird side where she would be silent for periods of time and sort of not seeming to respond normally to people. Is that what gave people the willies?

VERONICA: Exactly. She had no social skills. She didn`t know how to relate to people sitting at a table and serving them. She was void of emotion. She had a flat affect.

She -- there just was nothing inside of her. You know, she didn`t know how to perceive emotions and actions in a normal way.

PINSKY: And you said that she at one point tortured a cat and then after having done so -- now, I`m going to let you tell the story, but after having done so, then she said -- this was new information to me. That she said something about feeling that she should have felt bad about it but didn`t? Tell us that story.

Oh, we lost her. I think we`re losing her phone reception right there.

REYNOLDS: She looked after a cat for a couple of weeks and -- are you back?

PINSKY: Go ahead and tell the story.

REYNOLDS: Basically the person said could you look after my cat. She said, yes, and left the cat in a dark room for two weeks. And it was half dead. And she said, oh, I guess I`ve got to go get the cat because the person`s coming back.

PINSKY: Yes.

REYNOLDS: Should I feel bad this about this?

PINSKY: What`s this new information she shared with one of our producer, Veronica. She said I think I should feel bad about this, but I just don`t, and then started pretending as though she felt bad.

Now, excuse me, this behavior of not having genuine emotion --

REYNOLDS: Right.

PINSKY: And then behaving as if or sort of learning how normal people behave with emotions --

REYNOLDS: Doesn`t that -- isn`t that consistent with what she`s done with --

PINSKY: Well, yes, that`s psychopathy. If that report is real -- Veronica, if you come back we`ll get back to you but I want to go to "In Session`s" Beth Karas.

I`ve got Veronica back.

Veronica, I want you quickly to take us back to that cat story again and tell us how you experienced that.

VERONICA: Yes, doctor. So anyway, she was taking care of this cat supposedly for two weeks. And after the two weeks she had told me, she said, "Veronica, boy, when I went to retrieve the cat after two weeks" -- I said, what do you mean after two weeks retrieved the cat? She said, "Well, I left it in a room with enough food and water." I said, for two weeks? What are you talking about, Jodi? She said -- and she kind of got a little startled at my response.

And she said, "Well, when I went to get the cat to take it to the Humane Society, it was shaking, veronica. The cat was shaking. I guess I kind of feel bad." Uh.

PINSKY: Wow.

VERONICA: "I kind of feel bad." That bleached blond.

PINSKY: That was where you drew the line with her I understand. That was where you started realizing there is something wrong with her.

Did she ever talk about her family? Her siblings?

VERONICA: The only way she talked about her family was this, Doctor. She spoke fluent Spanish. She was really good. And I said, Jodi, wow, you speak Spanish. You know, are you part Spanish or South American, whatever? She said, "No, I`m half Mexican."

And that`s where the hair color came in. Because I was like, Jodi, why are you bleaching the hair? I mean, it was so -- it was horrible. And she said because -- she goes, she didn`t want to look ethnic.

PINSKY: Interesting.

VERONICA: That was her response. She was half Mexican, she didn`t want to look it.

PINSKY: Well, Veronica, thank you for spending a little time with us. I do appreciate it. It`s very interesting. No doubt we`ll be checking back with you again. As I said, Mahalo.

And --

VERONICA: Yay.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1301/16/ddhln.01.html

I am currently there - it is not fun.

On another note, JA sounds like they were deeply involved for a long time -
it was only a few months.

I hope this case and other cases like it are an omen to you. Get out. Don't look back. You deserve to live, to survive and to have a beautiful life.

If you need help, look up domestic violence hotlines in your area. lease:

 

[Nube7]

I don't know if I am correct, but was it someone on here that provided a link that showed Travis sitting on his fathers lap? If so can you provide that link again? Thank You

https://twitter.com/Mmartinfan4life/status/316357740727525378/photo/1

Spidy briefs and "and the little boy TA adored" according to JA"