trial day 37: the defense continues its case in chief #109

[WhoaIsMe]

I think it's beyond "normal" drama queen - this woman totally flips out when she's told "NO" and has to be in control of e every situation she's in. Can you imagine this monster as a child? Reminds me of that freaky video of Casey as a child - shudder.

At this point I kind of do feel for her mom - I think Jodi was a much stronger and bigger personality than her parents could handle. I think they walked on eggshells a lot very similar to the way Cindy and George parented Casey. She was a terrorist to her family for sure.

I've seen it before, some kids can be so headstrong and unbreakable that the parents are at a complete loss as to how to handle them. Punishments don't work with kids like this. I can see Jodi as a child remaining totally stone-faced if and when she was ever spanked. I would love someone in her family to come forward and throw her under the bus.

Your post made me think "thank heavens she never had children" not in the sense that they would be like her, but more of how terrifying it would be for a child to have this person as a mother.

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[zoozoo]

So, now does DeMarte testify for free since she is an expert witness for the prosecution? How does that work? Only DT has paid experts? Anyone know?

It seems the defense is getting around this by giving hypotheticals to LaV like, "Assume you have a man in your group who grew up in an abusive environment with drug abusing, neglectful parents. What behaviors and patterns would he show?" Since the men's groups LaV leads are for abusers and the childhood descriptors match those of TA, the defense is leading the jurors to assume TA was an abuser.
Hopefully JM can also use hypotheticals and ask his expert something like, "Assume a SARA is filled out regarding a man who is accused of being a domestic batterer and he scores this number. Would you say he could be classified as an abuser?"

Oops- I didn't quote the correct original post. The one I wanted to quote was regarding an order by the court that defense expert can't specifically label TA an abuser and pros expert can't specifically claim he was not.

 

[bexlex]

SusieD:

Thanks for your post.

I had trouble falling asleep last night and it all centered on this aspect of her testimony. She gave the impression that a high majority of those abused tell no one; this could not be further from the truth.

Last night brought back vivid memories of two incidents of physical abuse and the aftermath, including seeking shelter and reporting things to the police. My injuries could not be hidden, nor did I attempt to make any excuses. I went back after the first incident due to our child and the thought it would never happen again. After the second incident, I left the country with our son and two bags to my name.

This woman is without conscience and IMO, very dangerous and likely to kill again. It disturbs me to my core that not only did she viciously slaughter this man with three distinct types of torture any which could have caused death, but she is now trying to destroy his legacy. She went beyond domestic abuse allegations and has brought in pedophelia as well as the spiderman underpants, which I think is especially cruel. Seeing the pictures of Travis with his dad makes me think this was deliberate on her part and akin to the slashing of his throat.

The 9 mm and two knives found in her escape vehicle convince me beyond a doubt that she was prepared to kill again. I'm not a lawyer and don't know if this is admissable in court, but if it is, I would hope that JM brings this up in his closing arguments.

BBM It makes me very proud to hear such strength - bless you for saving yourself and your precious little one!

 

[TotallyObsessed]

Chris Williams ‏@chriswnews 3m
Bodney: what my clients interested in, those categories, $ amounts, hours billed in #JodiArias def expense.

Tammy Bear ‏@Tammybaby65 1h
INTERESTING, PLZ READ, Juan will get her. @Serendipiterry: LaViolette DID interview #jodiarias http://tl.gd/n_1rjenrn via @josemc

 

[The Cheese]

Hearing on defense expenses. No cameras allowed, but this reporter tweeted it.

Please read from the bottom up to get it in the order tweeted.

Chris Williams ‏@chriswnews

Court clerk: we now wait Judge Welty's written dec on #JodiArias exp req. Let you know when/if I hear something. CU4 #Arias trial @ 10:45

There's a pool cam in a glass room behind us. I'm not used to this ctroom. Apparently will be vid released later. Nothing live #JodiArias

#JodiArias team emerges from Judge Welty's chambers

Judge Welty taking both sides to chambers to discuss sensitive material regarding the #JodiArias exp request. #Arias

Bodney: what my clients interested in, those categories, $ amounts, hours billed in #JodiArias def expense.

Bodney quoting Judge Stephens motion to redact details in billing records in #JodiArias def. Bodney doesn't see how request could be misread

Bodney: the court lacks jurisdiction to deny public records request. #JodiArias expense hearing

Bodney approaches. Will make 3 points about #JodiArias exp request. 1 jurisdiction 2 law of the case 3 ultimate merits

#JodiArias pros Juan Martinez speaking for first time. He thinks just dollar amts not a problem. Says judge Stephens agreed in Sept 12

Judge Welty thinks #JodiArias Atty read too much into requests. Thinks Bodney representation for just $ amt is fair. Asking Nurmi why not

#JodiArias atty Nurmi: keep seal in place until trial over due to inconsistencies. He's concerned about #Arias lawyer notes on expenses

#JodiArias atty Nurmi: seems disparity in request from what Bodney states. the Media has already obtained total $ amt

Atty Bodney: not interested in all details for what was billed to def #JodiArias. Just $. Nothing that violates confidentiality

Judge Welty to Bodney: do your clients want total $ amt for #JodiArias def or detailed billing description?

Atty Bodney hired by CNN & ABC in #JodiArias expense hearing

#JodiArias expense hearing beginning. Judge Welty here


#JodiArias & def team here so are Pros Juan Martinez & Atty David Bodney. Still waiting on Judge Joseph Welty. #Arias expense hearing

@ #JodiArias hearing RE sealing of defense expenses. NO CAM inside so hang on 2 your twitters & I'll keep you in loop. Awaiting Judge Welty

https://twitter.com/chriswnews

 

[jojomonkey]

:seeya: Celiac diagnosed in Dec 2008 here!

Gluten is bad for everyone.

think about it! GLUE-TON

It's like eating paper mache' paste!

:blushing: However that paste in kindergarten we used as "glue" did taste good :floorlaugh:

Yeah why did they make that paste stuff so hard to resist? It smelled awesome!

 

[KMouse]

For a counsellor and advocate reaching retirement age? $$$$$ ding!

I said that yesterday it's part of her retirement fund.

$300/hour would be hard to turn your back on.

So far for $300/hour we have had sociology lectures. At least we didn't have to buy the textbook.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

It looks like a bullet coming out of the gun? Possibly it jammed. Wow, that I never noticed before. If it weren't jammed you couldn't get a pic. It would move too fast!

No - there was a whole discussion here....and it was found to be Prosecutor's pen pointing to something the day it was shown in court.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I've given up trying to figure out JA's mind, but ALV's SHOULD be easier. But it's not.
Why would she risk a long, outstanding career, and her reputation of exemplarily help to those in need to testify on behalf of this piece of carp?
She's had enough experience with DV victims to know Arias is not among them - so.........why? I don't get it.
Any ideas?

The money? To promote her book? Who knows.

Seems to me that if ALV is truly an advocate for victims of domestic violence that she should want to help anyone and everyone - including men - who is a victim.

 

[JusticeJunkie]

For a counsellor and advocate reaching retirement age? $$$$$ ding!

I just can't see that. She has devoted her entire life to her cause, and I'm sure she's rightfully proud of it. This flies in the face of all the good works she has done - I don't believe she'd turn her back on that work simply for money.
Yet, her experience MUST tell her Arias is not a DV victim. uggg

 

[Truth Detector]

Well, what was this issue with JA supposedly telling ALV that she saw Travis looking at pics of little boys on the computer? Once Travis' computer was checked, and there were no pics, the story changed to Travis having printed out pics. Was this not told to ALV?

Reportedly, there was a closed-door hearing with ALV on February 7, where she testified of being made aware (some way or another) that JA caught TA viewing either women's breasts or young children's (esp. boys') images on a computer while you-know-what.

JM asked JA about this during cross.

To me, having not seen or heard ALV's testimony -- as the hearing was not public -- this information is a little like hearsay.

Did ALV say that JA told her this directly, through Nurmi/Wilmott, via Doc 2 1/2 Franklins, or not at all?

 

[neesaki]

This is interesting to me that so many that knew her say they have felt this.
I have felt evil on people. Not often, but I have felt it. I have literally felt sick to my stomach. Oddly enough, or I should say scary enough, one of these I am mentioning looked right thru me, but with intensity. I knew he knew I knew. Creepy!!!! If I were her atty I don't know if I could sit by her if I felt what others have said.
Next, I wonder why Travis didn't sense it immediately.
Btw, I do not mean any of this from any religious aspect.

I know what you mean, it's a scary, mind-numbing type feeling. On reading your post it brought to mind something M. Scott Peck writes in his book People of the Lie.
"

Revulsion is a powerful emotion that causes us to immediately want to avoid, to escape, the revolting presence. And that is exactly the most appropriate thing for a healthy person to do under ordinary circumstances when confronted with an evil presence: to get away from it. Evil is revolting because it is dangerous. It will contaminate or otherwise destroy a person who remains too long in its presence. (BBM) "

Travis tried to escape the evil presence, but it destroyed him instead. :cry:

 

[katiecoolady]

Sending you good vibes to stay focused, awake and quiet. :great:

Lol...do you know me in real life? Ok signing off and heading up..........

 

[Camdenres]

I am not sure there is enough "money per hour" in the world that would allow me to be on this defense team as an expert, wonder how these experts can even look at Travis' family knowing the hell Ms. Arias put Travis through and eventually brutally murdered him......sorry...random thought....carry on

 

[gcharlie]

The defense is claiming if those records are released and pros can see them it will give pros a road map as to how the defense has developed their case ( ie what experts were hired and not used until the defense could refine their bogus defense and find experts who would oblige to "fit" their opinions to the strategy).
If that is the worry, why not just release the figures and redact the names of the experts. IMO tax payers have a right to know what they are paying for (maybe not names of experts, just professions) and how much they are paying.
In FCA case didn't defense have to get authorization from the judge for hiring experts since it was taxpayers' $? Hopefully this is done in AZ too. If so, I wonder how many experts and how much money the judge authorized the defense to hire and spend. Do they just get to spend unlimited funds until they find someone who will say what they want?

IIRC this is the second time this exact issue has come up and in the first instance, JSS ruled that the information would be released with names redacted. It was an evidentiary hearing that was recorded; I remember the judge speaking.

 

[ttcRider]

ALV must have researched this case before agreeing to testify. Why would anyone put their career and name on the line without thoroughly check that out? This case is going ruin her if she didn't. I think she is going to keep it 'general' and let Juan poke holes leaving it up to the jurors to decide. IMO

 

[cricket49]

DB was not forthcoming in his testimony. He is a wimp! He needs to MAN UP for his son, who is still a teenager, and go to JM and testify of all Jodi's evilness. Otherwise, his son may also grow up to be a wimp and become the victim of another psycho.

hmm Maybe he is waiting for her to be convicted. I mean, if she is found innocent and gets out of jail..... she killed one man who betrayed her so maybe he is afraid of her?

I mean how chilling would it be if you found out the last guy or girl you dated murdered their boy/girfriend as viciously as she murdered Travis. He is probably having nightmares about her.

Once she is convicted for life or death and 5 or 10 years go by, I think he will tell us some shocking stories about her. :what:

 

[angell]

That's just JM's silver pointing device. You'll see it in a lot of photos.

I felt silly even asking and now I feel sillier! :blushing: Back to lurking. :lurk:

 

[Love Never Fails]

I originally thought that her plan all along was to shoot him in the shower and leave him in there dead with no mess. Like you, and the ME's testimony, he was able to move somewhat after he was shot...addled...but maybe ambulant for a few minutes. But then, where did the knife come from? I can guess that she brought it for "back up". I can't finish this scene in my head.
:facepalm:

No. The ME's testimony is the stabbing came first and that is it.

 

[Frigga]

headed up to the courthouse.....be holdin the high watch for justice. I'm carrying a strong torch today..if you see any bright flashes on your screen it might be just that. Rested and ready to rumble.

This, I am so glad to hear! God speed Katiecoo- we are all behind you sending positive thoughts, well wishes and prayers~Frigga