trial day 38: the defense continues its case in chief #112

[katiecoolady]

Periodically I wonder how Shanna Hogan is going to fit it all into a regular length book. It's up to at least 2 volumes' worth and we haven't even finished with the defense yet.

Camille Kimball is also there daily now..also writing a book.

 

[Ricki]

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[zebraland]

Travis' s ex lisa diadone (sp?) Was on the stand and he whipped out an autopsy photo of travis's neck wound and they had a hissy fit and called for a mistrial due to his "procecutorial misconduct"

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Certainly not misconduct but it bothered me. I felt really bad for Lisa throughout her testimony - direct and cross. Poor girl just trying to do her best in a difficult situation, having to admit things like her erection ignorance. Showing that photo with her was not helpful, necessary and cruel. That's also the point where TA's family member(s) were so stunned they ran from the courtroom.

A little sensitivity to all that are caught in Jodi's crossfire would go a long way.

 

[DeAnnaMisrahi]

Good post. I truly believe that context is everything. Lord knows that even the Bible has been taken out of context and misused to make a case for those who don't even believe in it by quoting just bits and pieces of it.

I'm a decent person who could be considered to be boring by most. I never had a wild life, so to speak, but I am not perfect. I have written and said some things over the years in relationships prior to being married that I would be quite embarrassed by if other people heard them or saw those written words. I have been married for nearly 28 years, and I would never want anybody to read my personal letters or emails that I have written to my husband. The point being, anybody can make anything look ugly to prove a point if they want to.

This whole behavior-related story created around Mormonism is just out of line as far as I'm concerned. It never should have been permitted in my humble opinion. It's just not relevant in my eyes and as a layman juror, that's how I'd feel.

I'm not legal savvy, so can somebody help me out? If Chris H. is on the defense witness list, can JM still call him as a witness to clear up what ALV is interpreting as her opinion?

It has always bothered me that the DT is using a few text messages, some emails and a recorded phone sex conversation to paint Travis as a monster. I agree with you that I would hate for anyone to do the same to me. All of it is out of context.

 

[kscornfed]

The bolded is what drives me batty about some women. When a man actually verbalizes to you that he has no intentions of being in a long term relationship with you, and you STILL keep sleeping with him in hopes that he changes his mind, that's on you. If you make him think that you are OK with "friends with benefits" how is that his fault? Is he a mind reader now? I agree that when one "uses" the other, they string them along and make them feel as if they have a chance to be a real couple one day. "Just give me time, baby, you know I am not ready to settle down just yet, but... blah blah blah." They make them feel as if they mean the most to them and that at some point, there will be a future. "Using" someone is not "I don't want to be in a relationship with you, but we can still, you know..."

It really, REALLY, bothers me that from the start Jodi claims to have had problems with what Travis was doing. According to the testimony we are hearing, there was really no point that he ever treated her well. That doesn't make the most sense to me. Most women who are turned off by a guy early on just stop talking to him. At that point there is no real emotional attachment because you don't know each other all that well. If I am to believe that Travis made her this uncomfortable, that early on in their relationship, then I have to consider why else she would leave a guy that she was dating to be with him after only knowing him for a week. ALV painted Travis as this successful and powerful man and made it seem like it was too strong of a lure for Jodi to resist. To me, she just sounds like a golddigger.

JA asking TA to clarify what kind of relationship they had was weird to me. that was early on----very early to be asking something like that. and he told her he was fine with her seeing other people. what does THAT tell you? all she had to do was say 'this guy doesn't sound like he's serious about settling down---not with me anyway---so i should move on.' she didn't understand that sex was enough to keep her loser BF's on the hook for money, favors, etc., but it didn't work on THIS guy.

it bothers me that ALV is making it sound like she and darryl were already over when she met TA. i believe that as much as i believe she and darryl never slept together until he was no longer her supervisor.

 

[TigerBalm]

Chris Hughes is an enigma! This needs to be cleared up in rebuttal. ALV was practically foaming at the mouth when she sprang the Hughes emails on the jury.

I'm guessing Chris was alluding to the fact that Jodi was so incorrigible - so manipulative - so crazy.....that she could drive Travis (or anyone else, for that matter) to throw her against a wall out of pure frustration! Just watching her on TV is enough to make anyone slam her against a wall, or worse.

IMO, Travis exercised remarkable restraint with JA considering the circumstances. He might still be alive today if he had broken a few of her bones when she slashed his tires, hacked into his bank accts. emails, etc. Jodi would have called LE, Travis would have been arrested for assault, might have gotten jail time....but at least he would still be alive. He literally let her get away with murder - his own murder!



And, btw, good morning, Sleuthers!

I think people are getting the email (between Travis and Chris & Sky Hughes) and a question Detective Flores posed to Chris Hughes after Travis was murdered confused.

 

[Juli]

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Yes, I saw them several times (on Internet/TV clips) coming to and leaving the courthouse. Just because they don't have a fan club that means JM is held to hire standards? Silly stuff and a waste of time.

ETA: I saw them on TV/Internet - not in person.

 

[LambChop]

Wasn't that like last year? I was in a fog.

Chris Hughes was up right before Gus in an evidentiary hearing. I guess seeing Gus trying to cover himself blocked out everything else that happened that day. I didn't realize when Chris testified until I watched the video. Not sure what Chris and Sky would say will help defense in any way. jmo

 

[DeAnnaMisrahi]

One of the women appearing on DD said Sky Hughes told Jodi off and ordered her out of her house, not to return ever. Even then, Jodi wouldn't leave staring at the other woman in the kitchen while she was preparing lunch for the kids. Jodi showed up at Sky's house, would you do this? Not leave when someone ordered you to? The woman saying this is the one that taped Travis (and Jodi laying up on him) telling his story about being robbed and gun against temple, which Jodi stole for her Ninja story. Jodi is the devil's daughter.

I really reeeeeally REALLY want the prosecution to show the jury the video of Travis telling that story, but I have no clue how they could get it in. It would have been nice to show the video to Jodi on the stand and ask her if that was how she got her idea of the ninja story.

I also wish that they could play the initial 911 call where Jodi's name was mentioned as the culprit and how she was stalking Travis. It annoys me that they can allude to an email that states that Travis was abusive to women, but we can't talk about that whole doggy door and tire slashing thing.

 

[Dmacky]

This is an amazing video done by the same person that did Quack Paper Shuffle. There are wonderful shots of Travis that I hadn't seen elsewhere:

A Voice for Travis ** Abbreviated & updated version** - YouTube

At about the 2 min 40 second mark there is an amazing shot of JA & JM.

G&AMom~ shoot, you "done got me cryin" . < words from the south
Seriously thank you for posting this heartfelt video. During all this "here say" and bullshoot going on.,we tend to forget about our victim. What a beautiful memorial. God Bless the Alexander family. Sending love and HOPE that 2013 be kind to you.

 

[TigerBalm]

OK...so Chris Hughes has testified during the jury part?

Does that mean these emails have been entered into evidence?

If they have not - which I am assuming they have not been - is there anyone who can answer WHY NOT? I mean, if the author has testified and the DV expert can discuss them, how are they NOT evidence?

That's something else I don't understand!

OH, and can Chris now be recalled to testify about them since the defense has pushed them into the forefront of this trial now? I mean, that little nugget that ALV dropped yesterday is now today's trial headline on GMA!

The whole "Travis was abusive to other women and Jodi should stay away" thing. It was the soundbite they played today.

I just don't get that a guy having sex with a girl who was clearly willing (no matter what the defense says) is abusive - physically or emotionally! If you are having sex with a guy to try to hold onto him, that's on YOU not him! I've been there, and I blame no one but myself. And it certainly didn't turn me into a murderous monster!

Neither Chris or Sky Hughes have testified during the jury trial.
They both testified in an evidentiary hearing (separate days), where the jury was not present.
The emails have not been entered into evidence, it's hearsay.

I have faith in the prosecutor asking questions on cross of ALV to get his point across. Remember how Juan cleared up the email Lisa wrote during her cross.

Also, the state can call anyone they feel will help rebut evidence the defense has brought forward during the defenses case in chief.

 

[G&AMom]

I've always thought that Scientology played a part in the Pinellas 12's aquittal of Casey Anthony.

Had to google it, but yes, it looks like Clearwater is in Pinellas County. :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[cricket49]

This is an amazing video done by the same person that did Quack Paper Shuffle. There are wonderful shots of Travis that I hadn't seen elsewhere:

A Voice for Travis ** Abbreviated & updated version** - YouTube

At about the 2 min 40 second mark there is an amazing shot of JA & JM.

What a great tribute to Travis! It also shows how wonderful Juan is doing during the trial!

The ending is priceless........:seeya:

 

[LambChop]

JA asking TA to clarify what kind of relationship they had was weird to me. that was early on----very early to be asking something like that. and he told her he was fine with her seeing other people. what does THAT tell you? all she had to do was say 'this guy doesn't sound like he's serious about settling down---not with me anyway---so i should move on.' she didn't understand that sex was enough to keep her loser BF's on the hook for money, favors, etc., but it didn't work on THIS guy.

it bothers me that ALV is making it sound like she and darryl were already over when she met TA. i believe that as much as i believe she and darryl never slept together until he was no longer her supervisor.

Financial problems can cause issues in any relationship. I personally think, even though Darryl said he loved her, he was glad to see her go. His child was his number one priority (as it should be) but we all know that may not have been so great for Jodi since she told ALV she practically raised her youngest brother and sister. That seems to be an issue with Jodi or she would have never put it to ALV in that manner. jmo

 

[thefragile7393]

Breathe people breathe. I'm there almost daily. I NEVER see Martinez approached. He zips in and out so fast and once Pam said "were waiting for you Juan" ( she's a friend of Travis) re his cross of Jodi and he put his finger to his lips and went shhhhh. I'm not sure how or why he went out front that ONE TIME and a small handful of people were there, who asked for a photo (I wasn't there that day) but none of us have ever seen that behavior or anything close the entire trial. It was first embellished by Mike Kiefer inaccurately suggesting this was some regular thing (wrong) then Nurmi ran w it in a desperate ploy to disarm him and publicly humiliate him (didnt work).

He certainly could have opportunities every day to "mug for the cameras" but he did that one time, one day, last week, not to be repeated even before Nurmi wasted everyone's time on this.

It was not, at worst, grounds for mistrial. Nurmi himself said he wasn't Arguing jurors were present. Worst case scenario a juror saw that, was interviewed and indicated seeing the prosecutor pose for some pics one time would render them unable to be impartial and they'd be the first of 6 alternates released. And we know nothing of the sort happened.

Opened and closing with breathe.....this was a NON issue, a one time occurrence, not even close to some pattern of JM and nothing more than a failed stunt. Anyone remember Geragos and that boat????

I wish this could be emailed to each TH and pinned here lol. Anyone also remember those horribly offensive almost daily press conferences by Drew P's horribly offensive DT? And ppl want to rake JM over coals for ONE day for a Tv station's story where he made no comments, on camera or off? Yeesh.

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[Maryann123]

I fell asleep with the TV with HLN on, I had heard NG replaying Jodi interrogation tapes earlier in evening, so they repeated....some noise woke me up in the night. I thought I left the dog outside, this wailing sound--maybe I dreamed it cause the dog was asleep in house.
Anyway, so I'm listening to the TV....caught this from NG repeat of interview of Flores/Jodi
Flores asks Jodi how she left her bloody palm print in the house?

Jodi replies, you found my left palm print? (I don't think Flores caught it.)
Jodi remembers she cut that finger and it was bleeding enough to make that print, in her blood along with Travis'.

BBM

That was a great catch!

 

[DeAnnaMisrahi]

I really have a simple question. How can this even be considered a self defense -- defense. She could have run, she didn't need to shoot him, if you believe her version. But, after she did what she admits to why did she stab him 29 times and why did she slit his throat? A murder of passion because he abused her. I can't see how the DT is going to tie this in to self defense. What is their explanation for the over kill? Why is this so hard and going down so many rabbit trails? I am confused. Come on Juan and get us out of this fog. jmo

I have a suspicion that sneaks that they are going to have ALV testify to how it's possible that after she shot him, she released her pent up rage against him, or something to that effect. They've already had one jury ask if that was a possibility. I feel like they may try to piggyback off of that.

My thing is, usually when women rage out against a man who is abusive it's when they've been in a long term physically abusive relationship that they could not get out of it. I am just having a hard time feeling as if a woman, who only officially dated a man for 5 months, who lived apart, and even in another state, the entire time, who wasn't stuck, who had no tangible ties to him, would get to the point that she is so enraged by his abusiveness that she would turn around and do what she did. I believe she was enraged, but not by his "abuse."

 

[Dmacky]

Who were the male & female that made the 911 call when they found Travis body?

Mimi Hall was the female, I don't recall the male's name.

 

[Myvice]

Most are supported by links. Some are others interpretation and usually end in MOO.

I totally agree. And I'm definately not trying to offend anyone.

My point was that sometimes when things are passed on they can be missinterpreted if we don't know the context. After the Jean C. mess it seems pretty apparent that the defense would love to stumble on to this kind of info to cause another delay.

Sometimes, the media gets it wrong too. I've yet to see a media report that shows Jodi at 5'6 and Travis at 5'9". I've seen Jodi at 5'4" and Travis as tall as 6'. These things are easy to check yet they still embellish to suit their needs.

This site is jam packed with solid info and that's why I keep coming back. Whenever I have a question, someone leads me to verified info. That's why I love it.

My thanks don't always seem to register so I'd like to thank all that contribute. Sorry if I offended anyone. I certainly take away much more than I offer...there are some brilliant minds here.

 

[kscornfed]

I have a suspicion that sneaks that they are going to have ALV testify to how it's possible that after she shot him, she released her pent up rage against him, or something to that effect. They've already had one jury ask if that was a possibility. I feel like they may try to piggyback off of that.

My thing is, usually when women rage out against a man who is abusive it's when they've been in a long term physically abusive relationship that they could not get out of it. I am just having a hard time feeling as if a woman, who only officially dated a man for 5 months, who lived apart, and even in another state, the entire time, who wasn't stuck, who had no tangible ties to him, would get to the point that she is so enraged by his abusiveness that she would turn around and do what she did. I believe she was enraged, but not by his "abuse."

that's definitely where she's headed. she's going to try to explain the 'overkill.' if she was enraged by anything, it was by her inability to land this fish. she couldn't make him want her, and only her, no matter what she did. she moved and he didn't come after her----wouldn't even come SEE her.
just hoping the jury can see that too. ALL of them.