trial day 40: the defense continues its case in chief #119

[livelife]

Has anyone else read this old "news" posting from ALV's webpage?

"Patt Morrison Show, KPCC 89.3, June 29, 2009, "Sin by Silence" - 33 Minutes audio
Brenda Clubine killed her husband when he came at her with a hammer, just months after an overcrowded women’s shelter turned her away. Olivia Klaus’ documentary “Sin by Silence,” tells Clubine’s story, from the 26 years she spent in prison before a judge reopened her case and threw out her conviction, to the support group she started while in prison, for victims of domestic violence. They’re here with their story.
For more info, refer to Patt Morrison's page." http://www.alycelaviolette.com/Alyce-In-The-News.htm

 

[luvtenniss]

Gotta love how so much information is held back because it is prejudicial to the defendant.

I love how jurors only get part of the story. Seems sooooo fair.

Yep. The defense can say whatever they want - make up lies about Travis -but the prosecution can't show real things that happened and real things people said.

 

[The Farm]

Yep. The defense can say whatever they want - make up lies about Travis -but the prosecution can't show real things that happened and real things people said.

Why? How does that fit into our Constitution?

 

[luvtenniss]

ALV may have become suddenly ill today when it dawned on her what she was really doing!

We can hope, but it appears she has already sold her soul and has no conscience left.

 

[Sleuth5]

As long as you only write positive things in the journal......

:great:

Oh, yeah! I forgot. Thanks. Sunshine, rainbows and unicorns. New gas cans. Shiny kitchen utensils. Check.

 

[Truth Detector]

Not to sound like an idiot or anything, but what is IBS?

TIA

Irritable Bowel Syndrome; not to be confused with Irritable Bowel Disease.

 

[fuzzybutter]

Listening to JA in her interrogation...

Det. Flores asks her whether she wants to see the photos from before the murder.

Instead, she says that she wants to see pictures of the bloody, gory aftermath.

I think I found Bobby Juarez's vampiress...

I think her desire to see the after pics was for a much colder reason. She was trying to create her story. I think as far as she was concerned TA was gone. She had no more use for him. I don't think she wanted to revel in what she did, she just wanted details of what the cops knew. I am sure she looks at those pics with absolutely no emotion. She was ready to move on, but had to deal with pesky little problem of being arrested for capital murder.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

Gotta love how so much information is held back because it is prejudicial to the defendant.

I love how jurors only get part of the story. Seems sooooo fair.

I would think though that JM's expert could refer to those videos the same way ALV is referring to emails and whatnot that aren't otherwise allowed.

 

[Tipstaff]

Sorry if this has been answered, but can the parents' interrogation tapes be used in court? HLN just showed one of JA's mom and the mom says JA has a warped view of her childhood. That JA thought her parents were always snooping through her stuff. Sure doesn't sound like she was really abused in childhood.

Bet not in the trial but maybe in penalty phase. Mitigation for someone who has problems which is what 'they' will claim upon DP verdict.

 

[Isabelle]

If ALV is staying in a hotel and ate food there, hope she doesn't have Norovirus. It comes on very suddenly and can last for days! My DH had it after a convention in Chicago!

 

[elementary]

(wrote this for last thread and then it was gone so bringing over)

I was just looking at some info on murder trials in AZ. There was an interesting chart on page 4 of this link which had info about charges, arrests, time to trial, length of trial etc.
http://www.ilj.org/publications/docs/ForensicsAtMurderTrials_Volume_III.pdf


The purpose of this article was to discuss the impact of forensics on trial. This case is not a whodunit, we have all kinds of forensics and this is just a ridiculous use of time, even in a DP case. I found this article about Capital Cases in AZ. https://www.azag.gov/sites/default/files/sites/all/docs/Criminal/ccc/Attachment D - Data Set III.pdf

Now, it's from 2001 I believe but studied 30 cases. Length of trial info:



Obviously, this case is way outside the normal parameters. The judge has no DP experience and does not seem to have a firm hand in the courtroom which lets the DT run roughshod over her as she is so afraid of doing something to cause them to file a motion she denies which will provide the basis for an appeal that they might win. She's like a hostage.

The DT is loving the never ending trial as it increases their ability to get a mistrial. The longer this goes on, the more the jurors are stressed, the more likely is that they will get their wish. This judge displays ZERO interest in keeping this trial on track, in holding attorneys to the time they indicated was required to present their case. I honestly don't know if these defense attorneys are as bad as they seem or if they are deliberately acting incompetent. I've never seen a trial attorney take as long as Nurmi to ask a question. No one would hire this guy for trial work. Seriously. Wilmont acts as though she never asked a question in a courtroom before or learned what a complete sentence was. There is no real evidence of self defense in this case. Yet they have multiple people dissecting a murderers journals like they are the font of some sort of wisdom. They have experts discerning the motivations of the dead victim from random e-mail snippets. Why don't we just break out the Ouiji board?

Neither of the defense attys acts as though they have a clue or care about capturing the attention of their audience, the jury and not boring them to death or making them hate their guts. I'm beginning to think they have some multi-faceted plan to actually get a mistrial-cause there is no way they are "winning" this case they way they are handling it. I am just truly befuddled...and not in a good way!

According to JA's "friend", Bryan, who visited her in the past, JA told him she anticipated a mistrial. Makes me wonder if that's what the DT promised her.

 

[Lorelilly]

I'm sorry if this has already been asked (i can't keep up!) What date and year did JW get to before ALV became sick?

 

[Truth Detector]

I think her desire to see the after pics was for a much colder reason. She was trying to create her story. I think as far as she was concerned TA was gone. She had no more use for him. I don't think she wanted to revel in what she did, she just wanted details of what the cops knew. I am sure she looks at those pics with absolutely no emotion. She was ready to move on, but had to deal with pesky little problem of being arrested for capital murder.

Oh, no question about that.

But not very sophisticated.

How did she suppose that request would make her look to LE and a potential jury? :facepalm:

 

[Tulessa]

I wonder if she is diabetic. Low blood sugar can cause confusion and sweating. Was there a morning break when she would have been able to eat something?

If it is low blood sugar court should not have been cancelled. All you need is about 20 minutes after something to eat to bring blood sugar back up.

I have low blood sugar, and I have met my floor , personally, more times than I can count. A glass of OJ or two tablespoons of peanut butter, and I am fine within a FEW minutes. I mean we're talking like MAYBE 10-15 minutes.

 

[Sleuth5]

If ALV is staying in a hotel and ate food there, hope she doesn't have Norovirus. It comes on very suddenly and can last for days! My DH had it after a convention in Chicago!

Could just be food poisoning, too. I broke out in cold sweats, discomfort in a variety of ways (if you know what I mean), and I nearly passed out standing up. I thought I was in some serious health trouble, turned out that's all it was.

 

[luvtenniss]

Dumb question but I do not know the answer. Why is it that ALL the evidence is not allowed for the jury to see such as the tapes etc???

They say some of it is unduly prejudicial and irrelevant to the case. I know there are reasons for it, but I don't get it. I think anything that was truly said or done should be allowable.

 

[Veritas_Vita]

I'm sorry if this has already been asked (i can't keep up!) What date and year did JW get to before ALV became sick?

iirc, It was December 2007

 

[SmoothOperator]

OK you guys I am thoroughly upset and must share with you what has led me to this level of anxiety.. I just returned home from my Dr's office, just regular check up, and saw the (FNP) Nurse Practioner.. she is a lovely woman, mid-forties, married with twin boys that are Juniors in high school..and I have always thought highly of her..until now...

She brought up the Jodi Arias trial(yes, it was her that brought it up, not me) as I was exhausted and ready to leave and wouldnt have dared to broach such a subject that would only prolong my having to be there any longer than absolutely necessary.. anyhow she asked me what I thought about the woman who had "snapped" and killed her boyfriend..well, I quickly corrected her that first of all they were not, and had not been in a relationship, they were exes, and lived hundreds of miles away from each other.. she says OK, so why do you think she did it?.. I said plain and simple she could not AND would not allow this man with whom she was absolutely fatally attracted to in the most obsessive of ways..that she was not going to allow him to have rejected her and move on with his life..he had flat out called her out on who and what she was and for that Jodi decided he would have to die.

She then said, "well, you're not answering my question, why did she kill him?"..to which I said she is a psychopath thats why and the reasons will never make sense to a person with a non-pathological mind.. she tells me no, this girl is not a psychopath..this girl clearly "snapped" and this was a rage filled murder..his wounds indicate that she could not stop because in her mind she was saying you will never do this to me again..therefor the repeated stabbing and overkill.

I was astonished at what she was saying and told her she was mistaken.. she told me, "no, there are men in this world who prey on women, prey on a particular type of woman.. Travis was one of these men, and Jodi was one of these women who these predators prey on.. he clearly used her, manipulated and lied to her, all the while still being with other women and that when he was done with Jodi, and no longer had any use for her, and wanted to cut all ties with her, that it was at that point that Jodi "snapped"..the overkill happened from this "snapping" that occurred in this woman and the fury was her saying to him you will never ever do this to me or anyone else ever again!."

Let me tell you I was downright angry...very, very angry at this point in time and I just simply could not understand why or how this woman I have known for years, respected, and even liked..how could she be of this frame of mind WRT this psychopathic, cold blooded killer, Jodi... I told her that I respectfully did not at all agree with her and asked her was she really informed and aware of the facts of the case because I could see *possibly* how someone unaware of the facts could "possibly" come to a quick conclusion of Jodi being the victim.. she assured me she was quite aware of the circumstances and the facts of the case and that the DV witness that was now testifying was doing a great job of bringing these exact manipulations, emotional abuses, and predatory nature of Travis to light.. this showing that it was the combination and long term affect of having suffered those very real abuses at the hand of Travis that is what led to Jodi "snapping" and killing him in such a brutal fashion.. she said hormones are involved in that "snapping" and that any woman can absolutely be pushed to this "snapping" point where they could react in such a brutal nature towards their abuser..

Guys, I cannot tell you just how angry and sick that I became in hearing this from my nurse practitioner and was very, very short with her in my excusing myself and leaving the office without even making my follow up appt.. I can guarantee that my blood pressure was near stroke level and I knew that if I continued the conversation with her that I was going to accomplish nothing but make my own self sick, and not in any way convince this woman just how scarily wrong she was in her opinion of this case.. I am still sick about it right now well over an hour later and I'm still upset and angry..

My entire point for sharing is what IMO is making me the sickest is the fact that there are supposed highly educated, "normal" women who are actually buying the bull$hit for which this wicked pychopathic witch and her defense team are selling... that is truly, truly disturbing on every level.. it is sickening and I am truly fearful that my nurse practitioner is not the only person who is of this particular mindset..most importantly is the question of is there even one person on this jury that is of this mindset that my nurse practioner is?..because that is all it takes is JUST ONE!..JUST ONE PERSON on that jury can prevent justice from being served for Travis Alexander and his beautifully, strong loved ones who have endured more hell in just these last few months than most of us will endure in our entire lifetimes.. And I honestly just cannot bear to think of their having to be once again struck with the pain of not only having lost the bright and beautiful light that was their brother, Travis Victor Alexander..but to on top of that loss have to endure justice being stolen and stripped from them as well..

I do know and realize that my being forever affected by what happened with Caylee Marie Anthony and the Pinellas 12 is a factor of which makes me have much more doubt and fear of the outcome of this trial as well.. and IMO if it were not for experiencing that brutal, unjust reality I know I would not be near as fearful as I am right now, in this moment in time with Travis' case.. I am praying that I am just overreacting due to several of these factors and that much more likely than not that justice will prevail for Travis and his precious loved ones...but I cannot lie and say that I am not filled with more fear and anxiety after hearing this shocking opinion from someone who I have for many years thought of very highly(my FNP)..

I just needed to vent and to get others opinions and feedback on this and of course that is exactly why I came here to my friends at Websleuths:heartbeat:.. because one thing I do know is that you all know, truly know the actual facts of this case, not the bull$hit fed to the media thru the defense, but the actual facts of this case.. and I just have to hope that these jurors who have seen and heard the evidence up close and personal will see the truth as we do.. that truth being that Travis Victor Alexander IS, WAS, AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN THE ONLY VICTIM THAT THERE IS IN THIS CASE..and that Jodi Arias took his life in the most ultimate of heinous ways for NOTHING BUT PURE SELFISH GAIN AND SATISFACTION..COLD BLOODED BRUTAL SLAUGHTER IS WHAT SHE DID and my God how I am praying that this jury is seeing the TRUTH, and not being blinded by these overboard antics of deflecting and diverting attention away from the facts that this defense team has and continues to do..

My apologies for the long winded rant.. I just really, really needed to share with y'all my experience today at my doctor's office.. Thanks for listening:hug:

 

[Tipstaff]

I swear they did this yesterday as well, Nurmi with the "L" to the nose and glasses and JA pointing to her right. Right after, they asked for a break.

If they are doing this - they should be investigated just like the juror who was dismissed. :twocents:

These officers of the court have an ethical way to behave and signals with witnesses and the defendant don't strike me as meeting that behavior

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

Dumb question but I do not know the answer. Why is it that ALL the evidence is not allowed for the jury to see such as the tapes etc???

It's not a dumb question and there is no good answer since the policy is contradictory as they are letting ALV practically dictate from the emails and texts.