trial day 40: the defense continues its case in chief #119

[scorpio24]

After seeing a few people mention 'Play Misty For Me', I thought I'd give it a watch. I'm 40 and never been inclined to watch it over the years when it's been on TV.

All I can say is WOW. Scary scary woman in it, just like our defendant.

That movie was scarier than Fatal Attraction to me. Seriously. :twocents:

 

[verbonica]

You are absolutely right. Jodi going to the temple parking lot might be as close as she could get, but I think I remember her saying she went through the visitor's center. Many Mormons go to the temple grounds when they are troubled or when they are dating and want to talk about their future, just like any other "sacred place."

Regarding single women asking for help. Some things are more easy to get than others. If you need something fixed that's a danger, or help loading for a move, you can call the elders quorum and they will come even if you are not a temple recommend holder or even if you are not active. If you need food, that is also usually ok esp if you have children and are active. If you need money, unless it is winter and you are freezing, that is much harder to get.

Jodi Arias believed in the Law of Attraction and the principle of "Acting As If." Mormon converts do not talk like Jodi. Their journals are full of things like, "I read Section 132 in the Doctrine and Covenants today and realized that the polygamy is a true principle given to Joseph Smith by the Lord himself. This is so exciting! Just think--I will be pregnant in heaven and get a chance to bear spirit children which will be clothed in human bodies here on earth. I realize now that I lived close to my Heavenly Father and MOther before I was born on earth. Wow that is such an exciting concept! I brought this up at Family Home Evening and...."

Jodi Arias should have been learning these new concepts at church and writing/talking about them. As a convert, she should have been excited at learning about Jesus walking the earth in the Americas after his crucifixion. These are all unique Mormon perspectives and when I was Mormon we talked about them constantly.

I never, ever met or knew anyone in the Mormon church who talked about the Law of Attraction or any of the other MLM principles Jodi apparently got from Travis. Also, journals in Mormonism are kept "to edify your posterity" rather than for personal mental health reasons or personal growth. That's why hers is so phony. Between the Law of Attraction and Edify Your Posterity, and speak what you want to happen not what is happening, she was blocked at every turn.

This is why she said she was a shadow of her former self. Her identity had been absorbed into a facade and, in the end, even that wasn't good enough for Travis. She had "killed" herself for him and he not only threw her away, but he was going to ruin her chances of scoring another Mormon PPL rich guy.

LaViolette's testimony brought out that Jodi said to Travis that she would not be showing up at the future PPL functions. This was a lie, a test. Travis was supposed to say, "NO! There's no need for you to give up the conferences, you and I will still go. The principles are good salesmanship principles no matter what business you are in and we always have a great time."

When he failed to encourage her to keep coming, she knew he was out to ruin her there as he had already done with the Mormon ward.

He would either shut up or she would eliminate him. He had to die.

Anyhoo, that's my theory.

Very good, anagrammy. Plus, the "former self" that she was a "shadow of" was no prize -- & was severely afflicted with I'm not sure what mental/emotional problems. It seems as if this horror was a kind of "Perfect Storm" catastrophe.

 

[Tulessa]

OK you guys I am thoroughly upset and must share with you what has led me to this level of anxiety.. I just returned home from my Dr's office, just regular check up, and saw the (FNP) Nurse Practioner.. she is a lovely woman, mid-forties, married with twin boys that are Juniors in high school..and I have always thought highly of her..until now...

She brought up the Jodi Arias trial(yes, it was her that brought it up, not me) as I was exhausted and ready to leave and wouldnt have dared to broach such a subject that would only prolong my having to be there any longer than absolutely necessary.. anyhow she asked me what I thought about the woman who had "snapped" and killed her boyfriend..well, I quickly corrected her that first of all they were not, and had not been in a relationship, they were exes, and lived hundreds of miles away from each other.. she says OK, so why do you think she did it?.. I said plain and simple she could not AND would not allow this man with whom she was absolutely fatally attracted to in the most obsessive of ways..that she was not going to allow him to have rejected her and move on with his life..he had flat out called her out on who and what she was and for that Jodi decided he would have to die.

She then said, "well, you're not answering my question, why did she kill him?"..to which I said she is a psychopath thats why and the reasons will never make sense to a person with a non-pathological mind.. she tells me no, this girl is not a psychopath..this girl clearly "snapped" and this was a rage filled murder..his wounds indicate that she could not stop because in her mind she was saying you will never do this to me again..therefor the repeated stabbing and overkill.

I was astonished at what she was saying and told her she was mistaken.. she told me, "no, there are men in this world who prey on women, prey on a particular type of woman.. Travis was one of these men, and Jodi was one of these women who these predators prey on.. he clearly used her, manipulated and lied to her, all the while still being with other women and that when he was done with Jodi, and no longer had any use for her, and wanted to cut all ties with her, that it was at that point that Jodi "snapped"..the overkill happened from this "snapping" that occurred in this woman and the fury was her saying to him you will never ever do this to me or anyone else ever again!."

Let me tell you I was downright angry...very, very angry at this point in time and I just simply could not understand why or how this woman I have known for years, respected, and even liked..how could she be of this frame of mind WRT this psychopathic, cold blooded killer, Jodi... I told her that I respectfully did not at all agree with her and asked her was she really informed and aware of the facts of the case because I could see *possibly* how someone unaware of the facts could "possibly" come to a quick conclusion of Jodi being the victim.. she assured me she was quite aware of the circumstances and the facts of the case and that the DV witness that was now testifying was doing a great job of bringing these exact manipulations, emotional abuses, and predatory nature of Travis to light.. this showing that it was the combination and long term affect of having suffered those very real abuses at the hand of Travis that is what led to Jodi "snapping" and killing him in such a brutal fashion.. she said hormones are involved in that "snapping" and that any woman can absolutely be pushed to this "snapping" point where they could react in such a brutal nature towards their abuser..

Guys, I cannot tell you just how angry and sick that I became in hearing this from my nurse practitioner and was very, very short with her in my excusing myself and leaving the office without even making my follow up appt.. I can guarantee that my blood pressure was near stroke level and I knew that if I continued the conversation with her that I was going to accomplish nothing but make my own self sick, and not in any way convince this woman just how scarily wrong she was in her opinion of this case.. I am still sick about it right now well over an hour later and I'm still upset and angry..

My entire point for sharing is what IMO is making me the sickest is the fact that there are supposed highly educated, "normal" women who are actually buying the bull$hit for which this wicked pychopathic witch and her defense team are selling... that is truly, truly disturbing on every level.. it is sickening and I am truly fearful that my nurse practitioner is not the only person who is of this particular mindset..most importantly is the question of is there even one person on this jury that is of this mindset that my nurse practioner is?..because that is all it takes is JUST ONE!..JUST ONE PERSON on that jury can prevent justice from being served for Travis Alexander and his beautifully, strong loved ones who have endured more hell in just these last few months than most of us will endure in our entire lifetimes.. And I honestly just cannot bear to think of their having to be once again struck with the pain of not only having lost the bright and beautiful light that was their brother, Travis Victor Alexander..but to on top of that loss have to endure justice being stolen and stripped from them as well..

I do know and realize that my being forever affected by what happened with Caylee Marie Anthony and the Pinellas 12 is a factor of which makes me have much more doubt and fear of the outcome of this trial as well.. and IMO if it were not for experiencing that brutal, unjust reality I know I would not be near as fearful as I am right now, in this moment in time with Travis' case.. I am praying that I am just overreacting due to several of these factors and that much more likely than not that justice will prevail for Travis and his precious loved ones...but I cannot lie and say that I am not filled with more fear and anxiety after hearing this shocking opinion from someone who I have for many years thought of very highly(my FNP)..

I just needed to vent and to get others opinions and feedback on this and of course that is exactly why I came here to my friends at Websleuths:heartbeat:.. because one thing I do know is that you all know, truly know the actual facts of this case, not the bull$hit fed to the media thru the defense, but the actual facts of this case.. and I just have to hope that these jurors who have seen and heard the evidence up close and personal will see the truth as we do.. that truth being that Travis Victor Alexander IS, WAS, AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN THE ONLY VICTIM THAT THERE IS IN THIS CASE..and that Jodi Arias took his life in the most ultimate of heinous ways for NOTHING BUT PURE SELFISH GAIN AND SATISFACTION..COLD BLOODED BRUTAL SLAUGHTER IS WHAT SHE DID and my God how I am praying that this jury is seeing the TRUTH, and not being blinded by these overboard antics of deflecting and diverting attention away from the facts that this defense team has and continues to do..

My apologies for the long winded rant.. I just really, really needed to share with y'all my experience today at my doctor's office.. Thanks for listening:hug:

We love you and understand you! Glad you told her a piece of your mind! :great::great:

 

[sourgrapes]

She then said, "well, you're not answering my question, why did she kill him?"..to which I said she is a psychopath thats why and the reasons will never make sense to a person with a non-pathological mind.. she tells me no, this girl is not a psychopath..this girl clearly "snapped" and this was a rage filled murder..his wounds indicate that she could not stop because in her mind she was saying you will never do this to me again..therefor the repeated stabbing and overkill.

I was astonished at what she was saying and told her she was mistaken.. she told me, "no, there are men in this world who prey on women, prey on a particular type of woman.. Travis was one of these men, and Jodi was one of these women who these predators prey on.. he clearly used her, manipulated and lied to her, all the while still being with other women and that when he was done with Jodi, and no longer had any use for her, and wanted to cut all ties with her, that it was at that point that Jodi "snapped"..the overkill happened from this "snapping" that occurred in this woman and the fury was her saying to him you will never ever do this to me or anyone else ever again!."

[Respectfully snipped]

Well, unless I'm mistaken (its happened once or twice before), "snapping" is not a legal defense; therefore, I'd have to ask the NP to answer a simple question and that is, "is JA guilty or not guilty"?

If she were to answer, "not guilty", then she is clearly in her correct line of work and should stay away from any legal work.

People "snap" all the time. In fact, it is such a normal human action, that it is infantile and we all (have to) learn to control it. It's a huge sign of mental maturity; unfortunately, many of us do not learn to control our tempers, rages, or "snapping"; and we are held responsible.

Responsibility is hard for many to swallow. Those that get it and learn to accept it, will do fine in life. Those that do not get it, will be forced to 'get-it'; one way or another. We, as a society, must hold each other accountable and stop the blame-everyone-but-me train!

Who cares if JA "snapped"? I don't. I just want to be sure she is held accountable for "snapping".

If we were all given the freedom (read: excuse) to "snap", when ever we felt we were mistreated, we'd live in a very different environment. I know I don't ever want to live in that environment.

 

[Lorelilly]

OK you guys I am thoroughly upset and must share with you what has led me to this level of anxiety.. I just returned home from my Dr's office, just regular check up, and saw the (FNP) Nurse Practioner.. she is a lovely woman, mid-forties, married with twin boys that are Juniors in high school..and I have always thought highly of her..until now...

She brought up the Jodi Arias trial(yes, it was her that brought it up, not me) as I was exhausted and ready to leave and wouldnt have dared to broach such a subject that would only prolong my having to be there any longer than absolutely necessary.. anyhow she asked me what I thought about the woman who had "snapped" and killed her boyfriend..well, I quickly corrected her that first of all they were not, and had not been in a relationship, they were exes, and lived hundreds of miles away from each other.. she says OK, so why do you think she did it?.. I said plain and simple she could not AND would not allow this man with whom she was absolutely fatally attracted to in the most obsessive of ways..that she was not going to allow him to have rejected her and move on with his life..he had flat out called her out on who and what she was and for that Jodi decided he would have to die.

She then said, "well, you're not answering my question, why did she kill him?"..to which I said she is a psychopath thats why and the reasons will never make sense to a person with a non-pathological mind.. she tells me no, this girl is not a psychopath..this girl clearly "snapped" and this was a rage filled murder..his wounds indicate that she could not stop because in her mind she was saying you will never do this to me again..therefor the repeated stabbing and overkill.

I was astonished at what she was saying and told her she was mistaken.. she told me, "no, there are men in this world who prey on women, prey on a particular type of woman.. Travis was one of these men, and Jodi was one of these women who these predators prey on.. he clearly used her, manipulated and lied to her, all the while still being with other women and that when he was done with Jodi, and no longer had any use for her, and wanted to cut all ties with her, that it was at that point that Jodi "snapped"..the overkill happened from this "snapping" that occurred in this woman and the fury was her saying to him you will never ever do this to me or anyone else ever again!."

Let me tell you I was downright angry...very, very angry at this point in time and I just simply could not understand why or how this woman I have known for years, respected, and even liked..how could she be of this frame of mind WRT this psychopathic, cold blooded killer, Jodi... I told her that I respectfully did not at all agree with her and asked her was she really informed and aware of the facts of the case because I could see *possibly* how someone unaware of the facts could "possibly" come to a quick conclusion of Jodi being the victim.. she assured me she was quite aware of the circumstances and the facts of the case and that the DV witness that was now testifying was doing a great job of bringing these exact manipulations, emotional abuses, and predatory nature of Travis to light.. this showing that it was the combination and long term affect of having suffered those very real abuses at the hand of Travis that is what led to Jodi "snapping" and killing him in such a brutal fashion.. she said hormones are involved in that "snapping" and that any woman can absolutely be pushed to this "snapping" point where they could react in such a brutal nature towards their abuser..

Guys, I cannot tell you just how angry and sick that I became in hearing this from my nurse practitioner and was very, very short with her in my excusing myself and leaving the office without even making my follow up appt.. I can guarantee that my blood pressure was near stroke level and I knew that if I continued the conversation with her that I was going to accomplish nothing but make my own self sick, and not in any way convince this woman just how scarily wrong she was in her opinion of this case.. I am still sick about it right now well over an hour later and I'm still upset and angry..

My entire point for sharing is what IMO is making me the sickest is the fact that there are supposed highly educated, "normal" women who are actually buying the bull$hit for which this wicked pychopathic witch and her defense team are selling... that is truly, truly disturbing on every level.. it is sickening and I am truly fearful that my nurse practitioner is not the only person who is of this particular mindset..most importantly is the question of is there even one person on this jury that is of this mindset that my nurse practioner is?..because that is all it takes is JUST ONE!..JUST ONE PERSON on that jury can prevent justice from being served for Travis Alexander and his beautifully, strong loved ones who have endured more hell in just these last few months than most of us will endure in our entire lifetimes.. And I honestly just cannot bear to think of their having to be once again struck with the pain of not only having lost the bright and beautiful light that was their brother, Travis Victor Alexander..but to on top of that loss have to endure justice being stolen and stripped from them as well..

I do know and realize that my being forever affected by what happened with Caylee Marie Anthony and the Pinellas 12 is a factor of which makes me have much more doubt and fear of the outcome of this trial as well.. and IMO if it were not for experiencing that brutal, unjust reality I know I would not be near as fearful as I am right now, in this moment in time with Travis' case.. I am praying that I am just overreacting due to several of these factors and that much more likely than not that justice will prevail for Travis and his precious loved ones...but I cannot lie and say that I am not filled with more fear and anxiety after hearing this shocking opinion from someone who I have for many years thought of very highly(my FNP)..

I just needed to vent and to get others opinions and feedback on this and of course that is exactly why I came here to my friends at Websleuths:heartbeat:.. because one thing I do know is that you all know, truly know the actual facts of this case, not the bull$hit fed to the media thru the defense, but the actual facts of this case.. and I just have to hope that these jurors who have seen and heard the evidence up close and personal will see the truth as we do.. that truth being that Travis Victor Alexander IS, WAS, AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN THE ONLY VICTIM THAT THERE IS IN THIS CASE..and that Jodi Arias took his life in the most ultimate of heinous ways for NOTHING BUT PURE SELFISH GAIN AND SATISFACTION..COLD BLOODED BRUTAL SLAUGHTER IS WHAT SHE DID and my God how I am praying that this jury is seeing the TRUTH, and not being blinded by these overboard antics of deflecting and diverting attention away from the facts that this defense team has and continues to do..

My apologies for the long winded rant.. I just really, really needed to share with y'all my experience today at my doctor's office.. Thanks for listening:hug:

SmoothOperator I feel your pain. I think many of us are emotionally invested in this trial and justice for Travis is all we want. It doesn't surprise me many people who DO NOT and HAVE NOT followed this trial think JA was driven to this. Its their ignorance not yours. I would hug you if I could.

 

[cubbeegirl]

snipped by me..

I completely understand your feelings. I try to excuse some of it by saying that if they aren't actually seeing the trial they don't know the real facts but only what the media spins. However, after talking to my family over the weekend, they all get it and none of them are even following the trial.

My Dad gave up after the OJ verdict. He knew KC was guilty but he said the jury would not convict her.... never believed him but wow was he right on that one.

I have encountered a couple of people who think the same...it scares me...
BTW popsicle...what is your Dad's prediction for Jodi ? Just curious...

 

[Donnareit]

Thanks. I don't get it either.

I know our legal system is complicated and confusing. It took more than 500 years to get to this point. I have faith that in the long view justice is always being sought.

 

[Veritas_Vita]

I'm heading out for the night! Thank you everyone for all of your views and opinions! YOU ARE ALL AWESOME!:seeya:

 

[SuperTmo]

Yeah when she was 13!
I think she may have continued to take
"drugs" of some kind... even as a Mormon.

moo

WHAT?! (BBM)

When she was 13?! JA and I are about the same age, and when I was 13, I was still playing with my barbies and pretending I was a yard fairy. It blows my mind that there are kids out there like this.

 

[Lorelilly]

I wonder if they also had no contact with DB.

JA's mom said Jodi wouldn't allow her to go to the house she shared with DB

 

[kaRN]

OK you guys I am thoroughly upset and must share with you what has led me to this level of anxiety.. I just returned home from my Dr's office, just regular check up, and saw the (FNP) Nurse Practioner.. she is a lovely woman, mid-forties, married with twin boys that are Juniors in high school..and I have always thought highly of her..until now...

She brought up the Jodi Arias trial(yes, it was her that brought it up, not me) as I was exhausted and ready to leave and wouldnt have dared to broach such a subject that would only prolong my having to be there any longer than absolutely necessary.. anyhow she asked me what I thought about the woman who had "snapped" and killed her boyfriend..well, I quickly corrected her that first of all they were not, and had not been in a relationship, they were exes, and lived hundreds of miles away from each other.. she says OK, so why do you think she did it?.. I said plain and simple she could not AND would not allow this man with whom she was absolutely fatally attracted to in the most obsessive of ways..that she was not going to allow him to have rejected her and move on with his life..he had flat out called her out on who and what she was and for that Jodi decided he would have to die.

She then said, "well, you're not answering my question, why did she kill him?"..to which I said she is a psychopath thats why and the reasons will never make sense to a person with a non-pathological mind.. she tells me no, this girl is not a psychopath..this girl clearly "snapped" and this was a rage filled murder..his wounds indicate that she could not stop because in her mind she was saying you will never do this to me again..therefor the repeated stabbing and overkill.

I was astonished at what she was saying and told her she was mistaken.. she told me, "no, there are men in this world who prey on women, prey on a particular type of woman.. Travis was one of these men, and Jodi was one of these women who these predators prey on.. he clearly used her, manipulated and lied to her, all the while still being with other women and that when he was done with Jodi, and no longer had any use for her, and wanted to cut all ties with her, that it was at that point that Jodi "snapped"..the overkill happened from this "snapping" that occurred in this woman and the fury was her saying to him you will never ever do this to me or anyone else ever again!."

Let me tell you I was downright angry...very, very angry at this point in time and I just simply could not understand why or how this woman I have known for years, respected, and even liked..how could she be of this frame of mind WRT this psychopathic, cold blooded killer, Jodi... I told her that I respectfully did not at all agree with her and asked her was she really informed and aware of the facts of the case because I could see *possibly* how someone unaware of the facts could "possibly" come to a quick conclusion of Jodi being the victim.. she assured me she was quite aware of the circumstances and the facts of the case and that the DV witness that was now testifying was doing a great job of bringing these exact manipulations, emotional abuses, and predatory nature of Travis to light.. this showing that it was the combination and long term affect of having suffered those very real abuses at the hand of Travis that is what led to Jodi "snapping" and killing him in such a brutal fashion.. she said hormones are involved in that "snapping" and that any woman can absolutely be pushed to this "snapping" point where they could react in such a brutal nature towards their abuser..

Guys, I cannot tell you just how angry and sick that I became in hearing this from my nurse practitioner and was very, very short with her in my excusing myself and leaving the office without even making my follow up appt.. I can guarantee that my blood pressure was near stroke level and I knew that if I continued the conversation with her that I was going to accomplish nothing but make my own self sick, and not in any way convince this woman just how scarily wrong she was in her opinion of this case.. I am still sick about it right now well over an hour later and I'm still upset and angry..

My entire point for sharing is what IMO is making me the sickest is the fact that there are supposed highly educated, "normal" women who are actually buying the bull$hit for which this wicked pychopathic witch and her defense team are selling... that is truly, truly disturbing on every level.. it is sickening and I am truly fearful that my nurse practitioner is not the only person who is of this particular mindset..most importantly is the question of is there even one person on this jury that is of this mindset that my nurse practioner is?..because that is all it takes is JUST ONE!..JUST ONE PERSON on that jury can prevent justice from being served for Travis Alexander and his beautifully, strong loved ones who have endured more hell in just these last few months than most of us will endure in our entire lifetimes.. And I honestly just cannot bear to think of their having to be once again struck with the pain of not only having lost the bright and beautiful light that was their brother, Travis Victor Alexander..but to on top of that loss have to endure justice being stolen and stripped from them as well..

I do know and realize that my being forever affected by what happened with Caylee Marie Anthony and the Pinellas 12 is a factor of which makes me have much more doubt and fear of the outcome of this trial as well.. and IMO if it were not for experiencing that brutal, unjust reality I know I would not be near as fearful as I am right now, in this moment in time with Travis' case.. I am praying that I am just overreacting due to several of these factors and that much more likely than not that justice will prevail for Travis and his precious loved ones...but I cannot lie and say that I am not filled with more fear and anxiety after hearing this shocking opinion from someone who I have for many years thought of very highly(my FNP)..

I just needed to vent and to get others opinions and feedback on this and of course that is exactly why I came here to my friends at Websleuths:heartbeat:.. because one thing I do know is that you all know, truly know the actual facts of this case, not the bull$hit fed to the media thru the defense, but the actual facts of this case.. and I just have to hope that these jurors who have seen and heard the evidence up close and personal will see the truth as we do.. that truth being that Travis Victor Alexander IS, WAS, AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN THE ONLY VICTIM THAT THERE IS IN THIS CASE..and that Jodi Arias took his life in the most ultimate of heinous ways for NOTHING BUT PURE SELFISH GAIN AND SATISFACTION..COLD BLOODED BRUTAL SLAUGHTER IS WHAT SHE DID and my God how I am praying that this jury is seeing the TRUTH, and not being blinded by these overboard antics of deflecting and diverting attention away from the facts that this defense team has and continues to do..

My apologies for the long winded rant.. I just really, really needed to share with y'all my experience today at my doctor's office.. Thanks for listening:hug:

I'm sorry but it sounds like your NP has some personal issues herself she needs to get straightened out. She also appears to be ill informed on the facts of the case. Fear not friend!!

 

[VALee]

Was the jury told court was over for the day because ALV was ill?

yes, the whole courtroom was told.

 

[fifteen89]

I am reviewing right before Wilmot calls for sidebar and it sure does look like JA, LaViolet and JW all touch their glasses with their right hand. First Jodie right after JW asks LV if she wants TA to be happy with MiMi. I can't tell if Jodi did this for JW or LV.

Shortly after Nurmi starts to rise to the edge of his seat. LV then touches her glasses with her right hand twice and a minute or two later JW deliberately touches her glasses with her right hand as she lifts them up and down, hers was obvious. She also looks at the clock no less than three times from when Jody touches her glasses.

Jodi's and JW's appeared very obvious, they did not appear to be adjusting. It all looks very coordinated after you watch it a few times.

All my opinion obviously

Is there somewhere I can watch the video of this? TIA!

 

[VALee]

reposting, cause this is new, just came out today...

So, ALV testified that in Feb 2008, (testimony 4/3/13) JA went to Las Vegas, back and forth from Mesa, AZ. Well, to do that, you travel US 93, she would have gone through the Hoover Dam check point. HOWEVER, JA told JM that she did not know about the checkpoint until she came upon it after killing TA, that her stopping to clean up and toss evidence was a coincidence. LIE!

Thanks ALV, please do keep talking.

fyi...In 2008, (as a result of 2001 attacks on US) there were checkpoints on both sides of the dam, 1 in Nevada (for southbound traffic), 1 in Arizona (for northbound traffic). Everyone on US93 had to go through a checkpoint depending on their direction of travel. In 2010, they completed and opened a bypass, so now only those specifically going to the Hoover Dam have to go through a checkpoint.
Source: [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Dam_Police"]Hoover Dam Police - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[bznbear]

Just got my answer from Joey Jackson (not in person, unfortunately). He says they can't be used because they are unduly prejudicial and not relevant to the case. Thanks, Joey!

Which is ironic considering the amount of prejudicial hearsay the DT is allowed in!

 

[anagrammy]

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Originally Posted by SmoothOperator
OK you guys I am thoroughly upset and must share with you what has led me to this level of anxiety.. I just returned home from my Dr's office, just regular check up, and saw the (FNP) Nurse Practioner.. she is a lovely woman, mid-forties, married with twin boys that are Juniors in high school..and I have always thought highly of her..until now...

She brought up the Jodi Arias trial(yes, it was her that brought it up, not me) as I was exhausted and ready to leave and wouldnt have dared to broach such a subject that would only prolong my having to be there any longer than absolutely necessary.. anyhow she asked me what I thought about the woman who had "snapped" and killed her boyfriend..well, I quickly corrected her that first of all they were not, and had not been in a relationship, they were exes, and lived hundreds of miles away from each other.. she says OK, so why do you think she did it?.. I said plain and simple she could not AND would not allow this man with whom she was absolutely fatally attracted to in the most obsessive of ways..that she was not going to allow him to have rejected her and move on with his life..he had flat out called her out on who and what she was and for that Jodi decided he would have to die.

She then said, "well, you're not answering my question, why did she kill him?"..to which I said she is a psychopath thats why and the reasons will never make sense to a person with a non-pathological mind.. she tells me no, this girl is not a psychopath..this girl clearly "snapped" and this was a rage filled murder..his wounds indicate that she could not stop because in her mind she was saying you will never do this to me again..therefor the repeated stabbing and overkill.

I was astonished at what she was saying and told her she was mistaken.. she told me, "no, there are men in this world who prey on women, prey on a particular type of woman.. Travis was one of these men, and Jodi was one of these women who these predators prey on.. he clearly used her, manipulated and lied to her, all the while still being with other women and that when he was done with Jodi, and no longer had any use for her, and wanted to cut all ties with her, that it was at that point that Jodi "snapped"..the overkill happened from this "snapping" that occurred in this woman and the fury was her saying to him you will never ever do this to me or anyone else ever again!."

Let me tell you I was downright angry...very, very angry at this point in time and I just simply could not understand why or how this woman I have known for years, respected, and even liked..how could she be of this frame of mind WRT this psychopathic, cold blooded killer, Jodi... I told her that I respectfully did not at all agree with her and asked her was she really informed and aware of the facts of the case because I could see *possibly* how someone unaware of the facts could "possibly" come to a quick conclusion of Jodi being the victim.. she assured me she was quite aware of the circumstances and the facts of the case and that the DV witness that was now testifying was doing a great job of bringing these exact manipulations, emotional abuses, and predatory nature of Travis to light.. this showing that it was the combination and long term affect of having suffered those very real abuses at the hand of Travis that is what led to Jodi "snapping" and killing him in such a brutal fashion.. she said hormones are involved in that "snapping" and that any woman can absolutely be pushed to this "snapping" point where they could react in such a brutal nature towards their abuser..

Guys, I cannot tell you just how angry and sick that I became in hearing this from my nurse practitioner and was very, very short with her in my excusing myself and leaving the office without even making my follow up appt.. I can guarantee that my blood pressure was near stroke level and I knew that if I continued the conversation with her that I was going to accomplish nothing but make my own self sick, and not in any way convince this woman just how scarily wrong she was in her opinion of this case.. I am still sick about it right now well over an hour later and I'm still upset and angry..

My entire point for sharing is what IMO is making me the sickest is the fact that there are supposed highly educated, "normal" women who are actually buying the bull$hit for which this wicked pychopathic witch and her defense team are selling... that is truly, truly disturbing on every level.. it is sickening and I am truly fearful that my nurse practitioner is not the only person who is of this particular mindset..most importantly is the question of is there even one person on this jury that is of this mindset that my nurse practioner is?..because that is all it takes is JUST ONE!..JUST ONE PERSON on that jury can prevent justice from being served for Travis Alexander and his beautifully, strong loved ones who have endured more hell in just these last few months than most of us will endure in our entire lifetimes.. And I honestly just cannot bear to think of their having to be once again struck with the pain of not only having lost the bright and beautiful light that was their brother, Travis Victor Alexander..but to on top of that loss have to endure justice being stolen and stripped from them as well..

I do know and realize that my being forever affected by what happened with Caylee Marie Anthony and the Pinellas 12 is a factor of which makes me have much more doubt and fear of the outcome of this trial as well.. and IMO if it were not for experiencing that brutal, unjust reality I know I would not be near as fearful as I am right now, in this moment in time with Travis' case.. I am praying that I am just overreacting due to several of these factors and that much more likely than not that justice will prevail for Travis and his precious loved ones...but I cannot lie and say that I am not filled with more fear and anxiety after hearing this shocking opinion from someone who I have for many years thought of very highly(my FNP)..

I just needed to vent and to get others opinions and feedback on this and of course that is exactly why I came here to my friends at Websleuths.. because one thing I do know is that you all know, truly know the actual facts of this case, not the bull$hit fed to the media thru the defense, but the actual facts of this case.. and I just have to hope that these jurors who have seen and heard the evidence up close and personal will see the truth as we do.. that truth being that Travis Victor Alexander IS, WAS, AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN THE ONLY VICTIM THAT THERE IS IN THIS CASE..and that Jodi Arias took his life in the most ultimate of heinous ways for NOTHING BUT PURE SELFISH GAIN AND SATISFACTION..COLD BLOODED BRUTAL SLAUGHTER IS WHAT SHE DID and my God how I am praying that this jury is seeing the TRUTH, and not being blinded by these overboard antics of deflecting and diverting attention away from the facts that this defense team has and continues to do..

My apologies for the long winded rant.. I just really, really needed to share with y'all my experience today at my doctor's office.. Thanks for listening
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Guess you have to consider that most people really aren't paying the kind of attention folks like us are to this trial. We are actually doing a lot of thinking and bouncing thoughts off a very large community of really bright people. It's easy to form those kind of snap judgments based on a small amount of information. I think it would be difficult to come to those conclusions if she had sat through the entire trial thusfar and listened to the evidence presented. Sounds like a snap judgment to me and she really couldn't support the argument with solid facts.

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SNAP is the word all right - the problem word.

Your nurse practitioner, an educated woman, has fallen for the SNAPPED approach to domestic violence. That is the short code word for Battered Woman Syndrome, is it not? Do we not see all those episodes every Sunday night and I particularly love that woman's voice who does the narrating
BUT
the very naming of the series "SNAPPED" creates the impression that horrific murders are mostly the result of abused people cracking. This is a broadly held belief, an almost over-reaction to the ignoring of domestic violence that existed twenty years ago.

SNAPPED attitude is the result of experts like Alyce LaViolette promulgating her theories to the point of ignoring the evidence AND WE ALL SAW HER DOING THAT, right?

So you can calm down knowing that many, many people believe are going overboard on Battered Woman Syndrome and it is being used to get murderers off the hook every day by unscrupulous defense attorneys.

Your nurse practitioner is just uneducated about the facts of the case, isn't she? She's just making assumptions (hope she isn't diagnosing you LOL). I was amazed at my own change of paradigm when they went back to the beginning and put Marie Hall on HLN. When I first heard her testify I had a completely different attitude about what she was saying. After these weeks of hugging this laptop and hanging out with other trial obsessives, I have learned the details of the case and wow. What a difference that made.

Same thing with your friend. If she knew what you know, I guarantee she would feel the same way. Someone once said to shut up about what you are ignorant of and that way no one will know. Wish I practiced that more myself, but your FNP made a mistake to unload her uneducated opinion on you, who could give her chapter and verse about this case for a day and a half without taking a breath.

It doesn't matter what uneducated people think. It's what the jury thinks that matters - and what we think in that we are here to help the prosecution get justice for Travis. And you are a big part of that. Your posts are amazing and you are well-appreciated here among others equal to your level of information on the case.

OK I See I am confused about who is the OP here. Dang! Low tech, big heart, what can I say?

 

[dr dona]

I like many here can't watch the BS being played out in the courtroom now..it just goes on and on...But DA's if i'm bored--the jury is also---with so much BS, they are just going to ignore it all...so the defense should sum it up and just stop the spew of garbage..Enough is enough.....I remember the antecdotes better than the main points...In fact I don't remember anything except the trashing of TA....there have been no convincing arguments at all from the defense.....should have gone with "a heat of the moment"---but darn there was premeditation.

 

[SCSam]

OK you guys I am thoroughly upset and must share with you what has led me to this level of anxiety.. I just returned home from my Dr's office, just regular check up, and saw the (FNP) Nurse Practioner.. she is a lovely woman, mid-forties, married with twin boys that are Juniors in high school..and I have always thought highly of her..until now...

She brought up the Jodi Arias trial(yes, it was her that brought it up, not me) as I was exhausted and ready to leave and wouldnt have dared to broach such a subject that would only prolong my having to be there any longer than absolutely necessary.. anyhow she asked me what I thought about the woman who had "snapped" and killed her boyfriend..well, I quickly corrected her that first of all they were not, and had not been in a relationship, they were exes, and lived hundreds of miles away from each other.. she says OK, so why do you think she did it?.. I said plain and simple she could not AND would not allow this man with whom she was absolutely fatally attracted to in the most obsessive of ways..that she was not going to allow him to have rejected her and move on with his life..he had flat out called her out on who and what she was and for that Jodi decided he would have to die.

She then said, "well, you're not answering my question, why did she kill him?"..to which I said she is a psychopath thats why and the reasons will never make sense to a person with a non-pathological mind.. she tells me no, this girl is not a psychopath..this girl clearly "snapped" and this was a rage filled murder..his wounds indicate that she could not stop because in her mind she was saying you will never do this to me again..therefor the repeated stabbing and overkill.

I was astonished at what she was saying and told her she was mistaken.. she told me, "no, there are men in this world who prey on women, prey on a particular type of woman.. Travis was one of these men, and Jodi was one of these women who these predators prey on.. he clearly used her, manipulated and lied to her, all the while still being with other women and that when he was done with Jodi, and no longer had any use for her, and wanted to cut all ties with her, that it was at that point that Jodi "snapped"..the overkill happened from this "snapping" that occurred in this woman and the fury was her saying to him you will never ever do this to me or anyone else ever again!."

Let me tell you I was downright angry...very, very angry at this point in time and I just simply could not understand why or how this woman I have known for years, respected, and even liked..how could she be of this frame of mind WRT this psychopathic, cold blooded killer, Jodi... I told her that I respectfully did not at all agree with her and asked her was she really informed and aware of the facts of the case because I could see *possibly* how someone unaware of the facts could "possibly" come to a quick conclusion of Jodi being the victim.. she assured me she was quite aware of the circumstances and the facts of the case and that the DV witness that was now testifying was doing a great job of bringing these exact manipulations, emotional abuses, and predatory nature of Travis to light.. this showing that it was the combination and long term affect of having suffered those very real abuses at the hand of Travis that is what led to Jodi "snapping" and killing him in such a brutal fashion.. she said hormones are involved in that "snapping" and that any woman can absolutely be pushed to this "snapping" point where they could react in such a brutal nature towards their abuser..

Guys, I cannot tell you just how angry and sick that I became in hearing this from my nurse practitioner and was very, very short with her in my excusing myself and leaving the office without even making my follow up appt.. I can guarantee that my blood pressure was near stroke level and I knew that if I continued the conversation with her that I was going to accomplish nothing but make my own self sick, and not in any way convince this woman just how scarily wrong she was in her opinion of this case.. I am still sick about it right now well over an hour later and I'm still upset and angry..

My entire point for sharing is what IMO is making me the sickest is the fact that there are supposed highly educated, "normal" women who are actually buying the bull$hit for which this wicked pychopathic witch and her defense team are selling... that is truly, truly disturbing on every level.. it is sickening and I am truly fearful that my nurse practitioner is not the only person who is of this particular mindset..most importantly is the question of is there even one person on this jury that is of this mindset that my nurse practioner is?..because that is all it takes is JUST ONE!..JUST ONE PERSON on that jury can prevent justice from being served for Travis Alexander and his beautifully, strong loved ones who have endured more hell in just these last few months than most of us will endure in our entire lifetimes.. And I honestly just cannot bear to think of their having to be once again struck with the pain of not only having lost the bright and beautiful light that was their brother, Travis Victor Alexander..but to on top of that loss have to endure justice being stolen and stripped from them as well..

I do know and realize that my being forever affected by what happened with Caylee Marie Anthony and the Pinellas 12 is a factor of which makes me have much more doubt and fear of the outcome of this trial as well.. and IMO if it were not for experiencing that brutal, unjust reality I know I would not be near as fearful as I am right now, in this moment in time with Travis' case.. I am praying that I am just overreacting due to several of these factors and that much more likely than not that justice will prevail for Travis and his precious loved ones...but I cannot lie and say that I am not filled with more fear and anxiety after hearing this shocking opinion from someone who I have for many years thought of very highly(my FNP)..

I just needed to vent and to get others opinions and feedback on this and of course that is exactly why I came here to my friends at Websleuths:heartbeat:.. because one thing I do know is that you all know, truly know the actual facts of this case, not the bull$hit fed to the media thru the defense, but the actual facts of this case.. and I just have to hope that these jurors who have seen and heard the evidence up close and personal will see the truth as we do.. that truth being that Travis Victor Alexander IS, WAS, AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN THE ONLY VICTIM THAT THERE IS IN THIS CASE..and that Jodi Arias took his life in the most ultimate of heinous ways for NOTHING BUT PURE SELFISH GAIN AND SATISFACTION..COLD BLOODED BRUTAL SLAUGHTER IS WHAT SHE DID and my God how I am praying that this jury is seeing the TRUTH, and not being blinded by these overboard antics of deflecting and diverting attention away from the facts that this defense team has and continues to do..

My apologies for the long winded rant.. I just really, really needed to share with y'all my experience today at my doctor's office.. Thanks for listening:hug:

Let's have a cocktail; she is simply misinformed IMO. Maybe be basing her opinion on limited information; certainly not as much as you have. Then, of course, maybe she had an abusive relationship (real or imagined) and really believes all the BS the DT has put out there about TA. Don't worry your pretty little head a bit... she's not getting a vote on this jury.. and I doubt they think like she does. :twocents:

 

[gngr~snap]

:what:Hmm.. when JA's mom heard TA was killed the first thing she did was ask JA if she did it!

:what: Her own mother!!!!

 

[Kaddy Wonders]

[Respectfully snipped]

Well, unless I'm mistaken (its happened once or twice before), "snapping" is not a legal defense; therefore, I'd have to ask the NP to answer a simple question and that is, "is JA guilty or not guilty"?

Kaddy Wonders says: "Loved this."

People "snap" all the time. In fact, it is such a normal human action, that it is infantile and we all (have to) learn to control it. It's a huge sign of mental maturity; unfortunately, many of us do not learn to control our tempers, rages, or "snapping"; and we are held responsible.

Respectfully snipped: Is it call "snapping" or crime of passion if someone premeditated the killing for (at least) several days? :doh: