trial day 40: the defense continues its case in chief #119

[jellybeanz]

That movie was scarier than Fatal Attraction to me. Seriously. :twocents:

Think I agree!

 

[gngr~snap]

Dr Drew will dive into the tapes tonight!

Mom called cops on JA at 13!
A life long pattern that unraveled!
To a crisis, she needed help, and she was homocidal/suicidal/psychotic...

She would rage to her om for 2 hours at a time.
Unregulated hostility...

 

[Softail]

Well, now it is all clear! Jodi's mom called the police on her for growing weed with her friends. This must by why Jodi doesn't get along with her mom!


She said it in her police interview on HLN.


I always thought she had been a problem child for most of her life!

 

[jojomonkey]

Dr Drew will dive into the tapes tonight!

Mom called cops on JA at 13!
A life long pattern that unraveled!
To a crisis, she needed help, and she was homocidal/suicidal/psychotic...

She would rage to her om for 2 hours at a time.
Unregulated hostility...

Sweet - I cannot wait to see/hear these tapes!!! I just knew she has a long history of cray cray.

 

[RR0004]

When/where did you hear this?

The parents' police interview tapes are being shown on HLN.

 

[katydid23]

Beyond happy to be here! You all have a special gift. There is so much compassion and wisdom on this site! I'm here to see justice for Travis & his family. And I am a Juanette

:welcome: to WS, from another Juanette. :fireworks:

 

[sourgrapes]

Beyond happy to be here! You all have a special gift. There is so much compassion and wisdom on this site! I'm here to see justice for Travis & his family. And I am a Juanette

WELCOME! The more the merrier!:rocker::rocker::rocker:

:Welcome1:

 

[kaRN]

Sleuth5

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SNAP is the word all right - the problem word.

Your nurse practitioner, an educated woman, has fallen for the SNAPPED approach to domestic violence. That is the short code word for Battered Woman Syndrome, is it not? Do we not see all those episodes every Sunday night and I particularly love that woman's voice who does the narrating
BUT
the very naming of the series "SNAPPED" creates the impression that horrific murders are mostly the result of abused people cracking. This is a broadly held belief, an almost over-reaction to the ignoring of domestic violence that existed twenty years ago.

SNAPPED attitude is the result of experts like Alyce LaViolette promulgating her theories to the point of ignoring the evidence AND WE ALL SAW HER DOING THAT, right?

So you can calm down knowing that many, many people believe are going overboard on Battered Woman Syndrome and it is being used to get murderers off the hook every day by unscrupulous defense attorneys.

Your nurse practitioner is just uneducated about the facts of the case, isn't she? She's just making assumptions (hope she isn't diagnosing you LOL). I was amazed at my own change of paradigm when they went back to the beginning and put Marie Hall on HLN. When I first heard her testify I had a completely different attitude about what she was saying. After these weeks of hugging this laptop and hanging out with other trial obsessives, I have learned the details of the case and wow. What a difference that made.

Same thing with your friend. If she knew what you know, I guarantee she would feel the same way. Someone once said to shut up about what you are ignorant of and that way no one will know. Wish I practiced that more myself, but your FNP made a mistake to unload her uneducated opinion on you, who could give her chapter and verse about this case for a day and a half without taking a breath.

It doesn't matter what uneducated people think. It's what the jury thinks that matters - and what we think in that we are here to help the prosecution get justice for Travis. And you are a big part of that. Your posts are amazing and you are well-appreciated here among others equal to your level of information on the case.

OK I See I am confused about who is the OP here. Dang! Low tech, big heart, what can I say?

The FNP is uneducated about more than just the case IMO. Snapping? Sorry I shook my baby to death but I snapped. Sorry I slapped my elderly Dad with Alzheimers and broke his jaw but I snapped. Sorry I miscalculated the dosage of your heart med but I was really upset at the JA case and snapped.
It was unprofessional for her to initiate that conversation period. She did however and professionalism didn't kick in after her client disagreed with her 'assessment' of the topic, but she continued discussing it anyway. Therapeutic relationship indeed.

 

[popsicle]

I have encountered a couple of people who think the same...it scares me...
BTW popsicle...what is your Dad's prediction for Jodi ? Just curious...

Guilty but not the dp.

 

[Nhic]

yes, the whole courtroom was told.

AHA! IMO this means the DT is almost done with ALV. We all know what JM's x-exam is like - brutal at times (although justifiable :floorlaugh, so IMO this is a DT tactic to sway the jury to feel sorry for ALV, especially when JM begins his x-exam.

"Ahhhhhh poor ALV, such a nice lady, and not well to boot! Now there's JM beating her up on the stand."

DT tactics are reprehensible.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

OK you guys I am thoroughly upset and must share with you what has led me to this level of anxiety.. I just returned home from my Dr's office, just regular check up, and saw the (FNP) Nurse Practioner.. she is a lovely woman, mid-forties, married with twin boys that are Juniors in high school..and I have always thought highly of her..until now...

She brought up the Jodi Arias trial(yes, it was her that brought it up, not me) as I was exhausted and ready to leave and wouldnt have dared to broach such a subject that would only prolong my having to be there any longer than absolutely necessary.. anyhow she asked me what I thought about the woman who had "snapped" and killed her boyfriend..well, I quickly corrected her that first of all they were not, and had not been in a relationship, they were exes, and lived hundreds of miles away from each other.. she says OK, so why do you think she did it?.. I said plain and simple she could not AND would not allow this man with whom she was absolutely fatally attracted to in the most obsessive of ways..that she was not going to allow him to have rejected her and move on with his life..he had flat out called her out on who and what she was and for that Jodi decided he would have to die.

She then said, "well, you're not answering my question, why did she kill him?"..to which I said she is a psychopath thats why and the reasons will never make sense to a person with a non-pathological mind.. she tells me no, this girl is not a psychopath..this girl clearly "snapped" and this was a rage filled murder..his wounds indicate that she could not stop because in her mind she was saying you will never do this to me again..therefor the repeated stabbing and overkill.

I was astonished at what she was saying and told her she was mistaken.. she told me, "no, there are men in this world who prey on women, prey on a particular type of woman.. Travis was one of these men, and Jodi was one of these women who these predators prey on.. he clearly used her, manipulated and lied to her, all the while still being with other women and that when he was done with Jodi, and no longer had any use for her, and wanted to cut all ties with her, that it was at that point that Jodi "snapped"..the overkill happened from this "snapping" that occurred in this woman and the fury was her saying to him you will never ever do this to me or anyone else ever again!."

Let me tell you I was downright angry...very, very angry at this point in time and I just simply could not understand why or how this woman I have known for years, respected, and even liked..how could she be of this frame of mind WRT this psychopathic, cold blooded killer, Jodi... I told her that I respectfully did not at all agree with her and asked her was she really informed and aware of the facts of the case because I could see *possibly* how someone unaware of the facts could "possibly" come to a quick conclusion of Jodi being the victim.. she assured me she was quite aware of the circumstances and the facts of the case and that the DV witness that was now testifying was doing a great job of bringing these exact manipulations, emotional abuses, and predatory nature of Travis to light.. this showing that it was the combination and long term affect of having suffered those very real abuses at the hand of Travis that is what led to Jodi "snapping" and killing him in such a brutal fashion.. she said hormones are involved in that "snapping" and that any woman can absolutely be pushed to this "snapping" point where they could react in such a brutal nature towards their abuser..

Guys, I cannot tell you just how angry and sick that I became in hearing this from my nurse practitioner and was very, very short with her in my excusing myself and leaving the office without even making my follow up appt.. I can guarantee that my blood pressure was near stroke level and I knew that if I continued the conversation with her that I was going to accomplish nothing but make my own self sick, and not in any way convince this woman just how scarily wrong she was in her opinion of this case.. I am still sick about it right now well over an hour later and I'm still upset and angry..

My entire point for sharing is what IMO is making me the sickest is the fact that there are supposed highly educated, "normal" women who are actually buying the bull$hit for which this wicked pychopathic witch and her defense team are selling... that is truly, truly disturbing on every level.. it is sickening and I am truly fearful that my nurse practitioner is not the only person who is of this particular mindset..most importantly is the question of is there even one person on this jury that is of this mindset that my nurse practioner is?..because that is all it takes is JUST ONE!..JUST ONE PERSON on that jury can prevent justice from being served for Travis Alexander and his beautifully, strong loved ones who have endured more hell in just these last few months than most of us will endure in our entire lifetimes.. And I honestly just cannot bear to think of their having to be once again struck with the pain of not only having lost the bright and beautiful light that was their brother, Travis Victor Alexander..but to on top of that loss have to endure justice being stolen and stripped from them as well..

I do know and realize that my being forever affected by what happened with Caylee Marie Anthony and the Pinellas 12 is a factor of which makes me have much more doubt and fear of the outcome of this trial as well.. and IMO if it were not for experiencing that brutal, unjust reality I know I would not be near as fearful as I am right now, in this moment in time with Travis' case.. I am praying that I am just overreacting due to several of these factors and that much more likely than not that justice will prevail for Travis and his precious loved ones...but I cannot lie and say that I am not filled with more fear and anxiety after hearing this shocking opinion from someone who I have for many years thought of very highly(my FNP)..

I just needed to vent and to get others opinions and feedback on this and of course that is exactly why I came here to my friends at Websleuths:heartbeat:.. because one thing I do know is that you all know, truly know the actual facts of this case, not the bull$hit fed to the media thru the defense, but the actual facts of this case.. and I just have to hope that these jurors who have seen and heard the evidence up close and personal will see the truth as we do.. that truth being that Travis Victor Alexander IS, WAS, AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN THE ONLY VICTIM THAT THERE IS IN THIS CASE..and that Jodi Arias took his life in the most ultimate of heinous ways for NOTHING BUT PURE SELFISH GAIN AND SATISFACTION..COLD BLOODED BRUTAL SLAUGHTER IS WHAT SHE DID and my God how I am praying that this jury is seeing the TRUTH, and not being blinded by these overboard antics of deflecting and diverting attention away from the facts that this defense team has and continues to do..

My apologies for the long winded rant.. I just really, really needed to share with y'all my experience today at my doctor's office.. Thanks for listening:hug:

OH honey you need a hug or two.... if I knew how to make it work there would be two arms here....

 

[Lorelilly]

:what:Hmm.. when JA's mom heard TA was killed the first thing she did was ask JA if she did it!

:what: Her own mother!!!!

AND the friends of Travis' ALL pointed their fingers at her the FIRST time they were asked. She was strange and everybody knew it but HER. Damn her.

 

[Miss Behavin]

Jodi was growing pot in her bedroom in 8th grade. Her parents called LE and turned her in. They broke her trust and she's been hostile ever since.

More tonight on Dr Drew.

Dang it...I hate getting sucked into these shows

 

[katydid23]

It is kind of strange that Mom called the cops on her at 13 though. :waitasec: Isn't there another way to handle marijuana use besides calling in Law Enforcement ? That seems a bit extreme, imo. There must be more to the story.

 

[Donnareit]

Respectfully snipped: Is it call "snapping" or crime of passion if someone premeditated the killing for (at least) several days? :doh:

Of course not. That is why we must rely on corroborated evidence rather than our emotion fueled suspicions. Notice the different tone between the prosecution and the DT. Who has the actual material facts vs who is speculating proposed scenarios?

I know it drives us all crazy when a jury comes back and says this side or that just didn't prove something, but that's what is all about. Next time ask if the FNP would take the advice of a certified shaman over the MRI report. Then take two deep breaths and tune in tomorrow.

:HHJP:

 

[TigerBalm]

Oh snap, JVM is stating the defendant's mother talks about the gas receipts when she talked to LE.

JVM will be showing it on her show tonight.

 

[BeachGirlFromPA]

What an insightful post. Such a good description. I have snapped before in dealing with my personal sociopath but I just screamed and cried and broke down. That was my snapping as I could never deliver violence.

I have never share this outside of my own family and closest of friends, but what the heck....
I was in a relationship with a man with true NPD. Everything you read about them is true. Everything you read about what happens to their victims is true.
I was not raised in a home with any violence, no abuse, just normal disagreements. My marriage was not abusive in any way. We parted for much more benign reasons.
Years later, in the relationship with the man with NPD, things were getting progressively advanced with his various methods of mental, psychological and emotional abuse of me. It never got physical.
One evening he was walking behind me in the living room. I was crying over something he had said or done. I heard him laugh, behind me. The next thing I knew, I was watching my right hand, balled in a fist, swing in front of me, to my left....I watched my fist connect with his temple and he flew to his right, down onto a sofa, stunned. It was as if I was watching a TV show, from a few feet away. I watched him get back up and then I watched myself shove him, the heels of my hands against his shoulders, and he went down again.
I was horrified and stunned. He was speechless.
I knew at that moment that if interacting with him could help produce that physical action it was time for me to GET OUT of the relationship.
I have never forgotten that moment. I 'snapped'. The thought of touching him never even flashed in my mind for a microsecond. I was disconnected from my hands and arms. It scared me that the disconnect could even happen.
I have tried over the years to figure out how I did that without even having a microsecond of thought about it. That is what it is to snap.
Not to plan a road trip, get gas cans, falsify journal entries....
Thanks for reading, I needed to share that.

 

[Maryann123]

OK you guys I am thoroughly upset and must share with you what has led me to this level of anxiety.. I just returned home from my Dr's office, just regular check up, and saw the (FNP) Nurse Practioner.. she is a lovely woman, mid-forties, married with twin boys that are Juniors in high school..and I have always thought highly of her..until now...

She brought up the Jodi Arias trial(yes, it was her that brought it up, not me) as I was exhausted and ready to leave and wouldnt have dared to broach such a subject that would only prolong my having to be there any longer than absolutely necessary.. anyhow she asked me what I thought about the woman who had "snapped" and killed her boyfriend..well, I quickly corrected her that first of all they were not, and had not been in a relationship, they were exes, and lived hundreds of miles away from each other...

Snipped by me:

There are people out there that have been in a relationship where they were so head-over-hills in love, they practically smother their partner. When the one being smothered wants to moved on, the other party can't accept it. I think your nurse is one of those people. They totally try to consume their partner. It's a flaw that can't be explained. This is repeated over and over in every relationship. It scares the heck out of me that one of these people could be on that jury. They don't get it, that it's really them........not the other way around!

 

[Lorelilly]

no. It is 2nd degree murder.

Ummm...I think that would be 1st Degree to the max....

 

[MeeBee]

Guilty but not the dp.

Probably a safe bet.