trial day 41: the defense continues its case in chief #121

[~Lyric~]

Hello From Tennessee~

I have been watching from the sidelines for a long time now, but decided to say something now that I have seen the tapes from JA's parents and watching HLN After Dark last night, whether JA was abused by her parents.

How erie it was to see, listen and think back on my childhood.

I vaguely remember the first lie I told, and got my behind busted, with a belt, and had welts at the top backside of my thighs because I could not stand still.. Did my parents abuse me, umm not in my opinion. Discipline passed down through generations.
As I started getting older, I remember a paddle with a cute little saying " for bare little behinds" that hung on a wall. Yes I experienced it once or twice..
And I continued to lie.
Teenager and having my room searched because now I could not be trusted because of all the lies I told and now smoking pot.
Then a few things happened, Big moves to other states and such, hanging out with "rough" crowds, lying even more...then I was taken to a "Mental Health" Expert and they told my parents I was going to do what I wanted to do.

Then, trying to get away from them, I married the first person I came upon that was so good looking, turned out to be an abuser. If I had paid attention, I would have seen the signs. Now I know not everyone's story is going to be the same and some abusers are really good at the torment..
But no way, do I believe that JA was abused, I have a feeling it was the other way around and that Travis, was on the receiving end.
I see JA as an imprinter, as one that, takes in information and files it away to suit her when needed. The things she has said, even telling her story to 48 hours that was so striking similar to the story that Travis was telling his friends about being robbed, with JA laying right there in his lap.
I see many similar actions to my story, as I was stalked. Being in hiding and coming home to find his bags with roses outside my door. Then the very last violent event, in form of a
stabbing on my sidewalk on a friend of mine. I moved completely out of state until he died in a car wreck.
I so think JA really thought she had it all planned out. She knew exactly what she was doing and how she was going to do it.

This defense expert on the stand is really really making me a bit angry. I cannot wait for JM to get his turn with ALV.

BTW did anyone see the artwork JA did on HLN last night? I sure would like to seem them up close, does anyone have them? Wondering what one my really see in them.
Sure hope that we get to see Travis' Journals.

 

[anagrammy]

I took notes as I watched ALV this morning & here are my thoughts:

Travis was done with Jodi and he was, according to friends, ecstatic when she finally moved to Yreka

She pretends this is all her idea, an attempt to separate herself from Travis, an attempt to live her own life with other men.

She is absolutely terrified when Travis does not care. Since we learned today that “anger and rage are secondary emotions,” Jodi is not a happy camper.

She makes several silly attempts to make Travis jealous by pulling a Jan Brady and inventing her own series of “George Glass” men. He only gets annoyed that she is playing games and lying and harassing him. (Does ALV think it’s not abusive to constantly rub other men in Travis’ face? If Travis was doing the exact thing to Jodi, we would hear how abusive it was. It’s a clear double standard.)

The month of May was a month of pure hatred, jealousy and rage for Jodi Arias.

This was the month that the plan to butcher Travis formed into action.
She made the sex tape on May 10th—to blackmail Travis. I don’t know if she busted that out on June 4th, and when he said NO, she killed him, or if that never played a part in the murder.

Jodi felt overwhelming fear, and that fueled her rage. I think Jodi thought the actual murder was satisfying, and I think she was gleeful while inflicting pain on Travis.

all MOO

Maybe what really happened in that office is that she showed Travis her youtube channel. Remember how she said he was watching youtube videos? She likes her some little tidbit of truth in every lie.

She shows him a couple of other women who have used youtube for revenge and then says "...and here's my youtube channel, all ready for me to upload this...and she turns on the recorded sextape on the Heliophone. OR you and I can go to Cancun and show the world that we are still friends and we can both move forward. I can't have you trashing me, Travis, and ruining my reputation with the church, PPL, etc. I just want peace between us."

That's how she views it, she is just using leverage - the truth- to keep him from destroying her.

Others may disagree but I don't think she ever loved Travis because sociopaths CANNOT LOVE. That is why they are so angry. They can't form the bonds and they know they are deficient inside. They have something to prove- that they may be cold but they sure are superior and no one will take anything away from them. Without paying bigtime. There is no sense of justice like other people having equal rights like they take for themselves.

You see this in Jodi's trampling of Travis' privacy. She never even considers quitting. She is entitled to find out what is going on BECAUSE IT AFFECTS HER. End of story.

When Travis' temper kicked in and he refused her blackmail, that's when I believe she kicked into Plan B. Travis had to die, so sad, he was wonderful, but alas, he tried to ruin me. I was just defending myself.

 

[ClosArgs]

Just watched KN's temper tantrum about the jury. And has he been taking lessons from JVM and DD with his loud talk and emphatic gestures? I think Juan's right, Kurt has been watching to much HLN.

 

[Rosemary Pierce]

YUP! I think she worked very hard fabricating them while she was acting as her own attorney. Also did you see her jailhouse behavior demerits or whatever they're called on HLN? She was constantly hoarding pens--two in a shampoo bottle. She needed pens for the journals.

I don't want to hear any TH talking about how "smart" JA is. She's cunning and deceitful--but all of her little schemes--the gas cans, the pens, the journals, etc. are all easily found out. She ain't *that* smart.

BBM ITA

So smart she is looking at 1st degree and possibly the DP.

 

[Nhic]

hln did not, nurmi tried to imply that!

OK thanks QD. What is with that DT anyway? Are they allergic to EVERY truth??:banghead:

 

[Mrs G Norris]

BOMBSHELL: Travis was not a virgin when he met Jodi even though he was saying he was.

This testimony reminds me of the worst type of testimony we heard about rape victims before the courts cleaned themselves up and stopped putting the victims sexual history on trial. It's a shame we couldn't have extended that courtesy towards men who are murdered.

 

[Steely Dan]

Before I fftobed: just one more thing. HLN is showing ALV's testimony about TA telling women he was a virgin when he wasn't. I wonder how she feels about the airline? :waitasec:

Don't forget to let me know if it's worth watching the PM session. Not why, just if. TIA

 

[Rosemary Pierce]

Hello From Tennessee~

I have been watching from the sidelines for a long time now, but decided to say something now that I have seen the tapes from JA's parents and watching HLN After Dark last night, whether JA was abused by her parents.

How erie it was to see, listen and think back on my childhood.

I vaguely remember the first lie I told, and got my behind busted, with a belt, and had welts at the top backside of my thighs because I could not stand still.. Did my parents abuse me, umm not in my opinion. Discipline passed down through generations.
As I started getting older, I remember a paddle with a cute little saying " for bare little behinds" that hung on a wall. Yes I experienced it once or twice..
And I continued to lie.
Teenager and having my room searched because now I could not be trusted because of all the lies I told and now smoking pot.
Then a few things happened, Big moves to other states and such, hanging out with "rough" crowds, lying even more...then I was taken to a "Mental Health" Expert and they told my parents I was going to do what I wanted to do.

Then, trying to get away from them, I married the first person I came upon that was so good looking, turned out to be an abuser. If I had paid attention, I would have seen the signs. Now I know not everyone's story is going to be the same and some abusers are really good at the torment..
But no way, do I believe that JA was abused, I have a feeling it was the other way around and that Travis, was on the receiving end.
I see JA as an imprinter, as one that, takes in information and files it away to suit her when needed. The things she has said, even telling her story to 48 hours that was so striking similar to the story that Travis was telling his friends about being robbed, with JA laying right there in his lap.
I see many similar actions to my story, as I was stalked. Being in hiding and coming home to find his bags with roses outside my door. Then the very last violent event, in form of a
stabbing on my sidewalk on a friend of mine. I moved completely out of state until he died in a car wreck.
I so think JA really thought she had it all planned out. She knew exactly what she was doing and how she was going to do it.

This defense expert on the stand is really really making me a bit angry. I cannot wait for JM to get his turn with ALV.

BTW did anyone see the artwork JA did on HLN last night? I sure would like to seem them up close, does anyone have them? Wondering what one my really see in them.
Sure hope that we get to see Travis' Journals.

Great post, and......:welcome6:

 

[nightwatch]

wild about trial mentioned one

wow! what can i read into that. compared to 100+ for ja & rs. interesting. :moo:

 

[zoey]

Hope you get some rest!

This is how I feel about the PM session...:twocents:

that was how my golden reacted.....that's why she became a receiver

 

[Sleuths4Me]

Hi All...

I was doing yard work missed switchin on HLN & the Motion to Sequester didn't mean to confuse myself & everyone else on last thread! Doh!

I've been half listening to HLN but I just got to say......
BOMBSHELL FOR ME...
JA "journal entry" that TA is having hard time with $$ & wanted to put a gun to his head....
I CALL BIG OLE' BULLCHIT!!!!!!!!!!! I heard that said & was like Wth??

I'm on Team JA FABRICATED her journal (she had 6 weeks to work on it folks) when it hit me..
She was 'journalying' to have doubt she brought gun that it was his gun he bought to commit suicide!!!


snipped by me

i agree completely - please copy and paste into new browser since the link won't work

images.bimedia.net/documents/Arias2.pdf

these are her diary entries from June 10th

Can JM bring these in? Can't believe (and didn't know) she wore a shirt TA gave her when she went to do finger prints. Wow...

 

[Tiger09]

The smarter Jodi thinks she is, the closer she gets to slipping up IMO. I just had a remicade treatment so I've been sleeping on and off throughout this. I don't get the big deal over the text argument over the picture. So Travis must be a perfect virginal angel and Jodi can agitate him, doesn't have to apologize, and also this witness nor the DT have to prepare for this trial? Even Juan is like this woman, Wilmott, is in over her head with this trial. Jodi is sitting there looking like a spoiled brat. But mad props to whomever chooses her clothing- and by that I mean mad lol.

 

[pufnstuf]

"Q. How can I visit an inmate?
A. Make sure the inmate is still in jail and where they are located by calling the inmate information line at 602-876-0322. Visitors can not be convicted felons, can not have been jailed in the last 12 months, and can not be illegal aliens. Additional guidelines for visitors can be found here."

http://www.jailbase.com/en/sources/az-mcso/

Has Donovan (I feel stupid even using that name... it seems like a pseudonym) visited Jodi, or has it always been Donovan's bossum buddy Ann Campbell to whom Jodi passed the coded-message magazines? That might be the workaround for the rule barring felons.

 

[marlap]

Hello From Tennessee~

I have been watching from the sidelines for a long time now, but decided to say something now that I have seen the tapes from JA's parents and watching HLN After Dark last night, whether JA was abused by her parents.

How erie it was to see, listen and think back on my childhood.

I vaguely remember the first lie I told, and got my behind busted, with a belt, and had welts at the top backside of my thighs because I could not stand still.. Did my parents abuse me, umm not in my opinion. Discipline passed down through generations.
As I started getting older, I remember a paddle with a cute little saying " for bare little behinds" that hung on a wall. Yes I experienced it once or twice..
And I continued to lie.
Teenager and having my room searched because now I could not be trusted because of all the lies I told and now smoking pot.
Then a few things happened, Big moves to other states and such, hanging out with "rough" crowds, lying even more...then I was taken to a "Mental Health" Expert and they told my parents I was going to do what I wanted to do.

Then, trying to get away from them, I married the first person I came upon that was so good looking, turned out to be an abuser. If I had paid attention, I would have seen the signs. Now I know not everyone's story is going to be the same and some abusers are really good at the torment..
But no way, do I believe that JA was abused, I have a feeling it was the other way around and that Travis, was on the receiving end.
I see JA as an imprinter, as one that, takes in information and files it away to suit her when needed. The things she has said, even telling her story to 48 hours that was so striking similar to the story that Travis was telling his friends about being robbed, with JA laying right there in his lap.
I see many similar actions to my story, as I was stalked. Being in hiding and coming home to find his bags with roses outside my door. Then the very last violent event, in form of a
stabbing on my sidewalk on a friend of mine. I moved completely out of state until he died in a car wreck.
I so think JA really thought she had it all planned out. She knew exactly what she was doing and how she was going to do it.

This defense expert on the stand is really really making me a bit angry. I cannot wait for JM to get his turn with ALV.

BTW did anyone see the artwork JA did on HLN last night? I sure would like to seem them up close, does anyone have them? Wondering what one my really see in them.
Sure hope that we get to see Travis' Journals.

Welcome to our group Lyric! I totally agree with you about Jodi.

:wagon:

 

[Nezumi]

I have missed a lot of the discussion about this but anyway does anyone believe that JA wrote most of these journal entries between the time she killed Travis and before she was arrested? And she just dated them as if they were written before?

The reason I ask is she sure did seem to want Flores to look at her diary since she mentioned them to him during the interrogations.

tia

I think she did. And if she left any trace - any trace whatsoever of having done so - I'm sure JM has already found it and is fired up and ready to go.

 

[josie1986]

How in the DOUBLE HE DOUBLE LL does ALV know if Travis was a virgin or not?????? :furious:

because of the all knowing all seeing ALV of course,silly :facepalm:

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[deedee21]

Monday is my guess.

I did learn to mute the trial and just read here. I was getting pizzed at ALV being able to spout her view of Travis and what he was thinking and feeeeling.

I do the same. Otherwise, its time I cod never get back.

 

[Nhic]

To anagrammy:

Your posts are incredibly informative. Thank you for being on this forum. Do you teach outside of this forum, because you would be a terrific teacher in this area. Look forward to more of your writings. :seeya:

 

[jojomonkey]

So what are our predictions on whether or not Juan will get his chance today? And if so, what time is Wilmott going to shut up? My guess is 3:30 - 3:45 she'll finally hand it over to Juan, if at all.

 

[norest4thewicked]

You are looked a room with JA singing "oh holy night" on a loop.....

*screams and jumps off a cliff*