trial day 41: the defense continues its case in chief #122

[sammijo]

the jury's gone

Not during their bursts of laughter and snickering they weren't. Just because the jury did not see the unwholesome threesome marching down the yellow brick road arm in arm after court, doesn't mean they didn't notice the laughter and other inappropriate behaviors this afternoon during court.

 

[gloomy]

She testified about what he had stated, as well as others but the only person she actually spoke with was the defendant.

She takes a person's writing and twists it all around.

Look what she said about Lisa compared to Lisa's actual trial testimony.
Jurors won't forget the questions they asked Lisa and her answers.

Thanks for clarifying about the Matt situation.

ITA with the rest of your post! :kimsterwink:

 

[Karmady]

And I agree with you! Bad mistake on his part, IMO. And like you, I have NEVER in all the trials I've watched seen one act like him. Each day that he talks, I get more convinced of the damage it's doing. (And I would not want to be his wife, geezzz, can you imagine?)

I was thinking about this this evening while driving and having time on my hands. Honestly, I can't imagine responding to someone who was speaking to me that way in any setting. I can honestly say that until he'd adjusted his tone, I wouldn't be answering the questions and I'd go to jail on a contempt charge if the court were so inclined to mark it with an exclamation point. There's just no excuse, imo.

 

[coup de grace]

Whatever. Let them laugh... the point that Juan will make about Snow White's abuse is that JA's is as made up as Snow White's. I wonder if they'll be laughing then. Jerks.

BINGO :skip:

 

[Lorelilly]

Welcome to the club 40 and single club.

She obviously has issues IMO, showing up like a groupie now that she has been removed. Yeah she could have taken money already but if she holds out, the dollars only get bigger. Mark my words, she will sell out before any other juror does.

She can SELL to her heart's content but NOT till after the verdict.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Haven't heard that story, but I'd guess that one of those boxes is missing a porcelain angel.

That was the day she "returned" for it and "caught" him with the photo of little boys and was traumatized, but wrote in her journal that nothing note worthy that day. Juan took her though her hours at work that and Travis wasn't blowing up her phone.

 

[Karmady]

Not during their bursts of laughter and snickering they weren't. Just because the jury did not see the unwholesome threesome marching down the yellow brick road arm in arm after court, doesn't mean they didn't notice the laughter and other inappropriate behaviors this afternoon during court.

They were admonished for the laughter in court. What they do outside the presence of the jury is up to them, obviously. If it weren't, No.5 wouldn't have been sitting there all afternoon and getting a security escort out of the building.

 

[Krisy]

Sorry, that wasn't my point.

My point was she is telling Juan that she wasn't there to evaluate the defendant's childhood but she did with Travis' childhood.
If she does it for one, then she should be able to do it for both.

I noticed that too! Felt like she was talking out both sides of her mouth.

If Travis had a rough childhood....he'd be an abusive adult.

If jodi had a rough childhood....she'd go on to be abused.

Say WHAT??

 

[neesaki]

JMO
Juan purposly went the Snow White route as he knew there was only 30+/- minutes left before the DT's long weekend "attempt to prepare" ALV.
We all saw the confused looks on ALV, Nurmi & Willmotts faces....
Even the TH's questioned where he was going.
Total confusion!
That is EXACTLY what Juan wanted...
and so eloquently accomplished.


Oh and JA's greazy hair.

That "All American Girl Next Door Look"
works best when hair is.... clean.

She's got "The ******-its".

IMO
It'll get worse..

Didn't you just love that confused expression on ALV's face, absolutely priceless. As you say, Juan was totally messing with them, and having a great time doing it. Go for it Juan! :great::rocker: :hero:

 

[pufnstuf]

JM is a genius. In 45 minutes accomplished the following:

snipped for space...

Excellent post. Just had to say that instead of only thanking you. Indeed, I thanked you, and removed my thanks, just so I could thank you again.

 

[zaza]

JM is a genius. In 45 minutes accomplished the following:

1. Set up that her clinical qualifications to be lacking as academic or as clinical in comparison to the upcoming rebuttal expert.
2. Admit that she sees TA as the perpetrator rather than the victim of ruthless murder.
3. Reveal her contempt for JM within the first few minutes of cross. Shows her to be an non impartial expert.
4. By his manner of questioning, ie...paraphrasing 'is it the way the prosecutor is asking the question?'...parallel to what he asked Jodi when she testified. As he discredited JA, IMO, it's a subtle way (or perhaps, not so subtle) to discredit ALV and their bias towards men.
5. Using ALVs own ridiculous Snow White hypothesis using her own continuum as a guide (did she say "guide when she was testifying for the defense?") with the real life murder of TA. Using this as a parallel, IMO, makes ALV appear to be unprofessional as a expert within a first degree murder charge.
6. She was unable to recount facts when asked, regarding the journals without them being in front of her. Looking into the air to come up with JAs negative feelings and then agreed that none of negatives were that important.
7. Unsure glancing at the DT and sarcastically smiling at the jury after JMs questions. The victims were not smiling, nor was I.
8. Not answering questions as asked on cross, but continually asking JM...what he was trying to find out. I was imagining her brain scrambling trying to outsmart and figure out where JM was going. Didn't work.

And, ALVs testimony regarding June 4th on direct sounded so overly rehearsed it came off as disingenuous.

IMO, ALV had an personnel agenda when volunteering to be a DT expert. She knew this would be a huge case, it already was all of the media when she volunteered her services. For her, this was to be a platform to conduct an internationally televised 2 day workshop on domestic violence against women. Looking at her CV, she's much more of an activist on gender and how that relates to DV.

As far as I'm concerned, ALV really wanted to be on the stand, so lets see how engaging and expert she is on cross, now that her 6 day personnel platform is over. :bricks:

For 45minutes on cross...I say Wow!!!!!!

Apologies to all for bad typing..on iPad...grrrrr. :blushing:

Excellent synopsis and my sentiments exactly! Can't wait to see more impeaching on Monday!

 

[wasnt_me]

I thought he started out being very patient with her. It was only when she started getting under his skin by dancing around simple yes/no questions that he stepped it up. Just my interpretation.

He's a strong, forceful talker. He keeps the courtroom awake with his bellowtones. You can tell ALV doesn't like men to assert themselves.

That's probably why she's in the profession she's in. I want him to ask her how many battered men she's run across, and I think it's very few because she'd probably have diagnosed them as not so--even though they were.

Hell, she can't even figure out that Travis was one.

I knew ALV and JM would clash, but I can't believe he's not objecting to her responses. Well, I have to admit I have 20 minutes more to watch, so I don't know if he objects. So far, he hasn't.

I personally love how he takes the defense experts off their pretty perch of diagnostics and suppositions to show them that they are really only standing on a narrow ledge called FACTS.

I also think he blew JW's "memory problem" prank out of the water by immediately proving ALV DOES have memory problems. And I hope he doesn't let ALV refer to any notes question by question like JW did because it's obvious that without the notes, ALV doesn't even know what she's talking about.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

I've always said she is double-jointed and can manipulate her finger knuckles anyway she wishes...

And ALV said "why yes when she flexes it a certain way". I take that as Jodi can manipulate it when she chooses.

 

[TigerBalm]

So I have a question to everyone who talks crap about the defense? Do you want them to just sit back take it and then give Jodi the opportunity to get an appeal because if they dont defend her that is what is going to happen...and you know they could do that real easliy...

Makes no freaking sense to complain about a state appointed defense team. And talking about them as people and the witnesses, remember they have families, maybe children that read here.. Oh but I guess that is ok

Waiting for the verdict................

:waitasec: Seriously?? Why would the attorneys let their kids read here, they are representing the most hated self admitted killer, if they let their kids read here they are dumber then one would think.

Also they choose to be court appointed defense attorneys, representing murderers.

 

[Karmady]

Sorry, that wasn't my point.

My point was she is telling Juan that she wasn't there to evaluate the defendant's childhood but she did with Travis' childhood.
If she does it for one, then she should be able to do it for both.

Today? I must have missed that part. I thought that testimony had to do with Snow White's childhood. And I'm seriously not being facetious lol

 

[molly333]

My opinion is that any woman (myself included) who has been affected by domestic violence would be put off by Alyce LaViolette's testimony.

Did Jodi Arias ever have broken ribs from Travis? Did Travis pound her black and blue? Did Travis split her lip or break her jaw? Did he violently rape her after a miscarriage that was precipitated by his own abuse? Did he pound her with his fists so badly that she had to be rushed to an ER and suffered a detached retina?

He was mean to her. He said ugly words to her. He made her feel bad. He called her names. There is NO EVIDENCE that he was ever anything even close to VIOLENT with her. Any claims that he ever kicked, hit, or choked her come from one person: a known, admitted liar.

I think most women who have seen domestic violence up close would be put off by the assertion of Ms. LaViolette that Travis was a violent abuser. There is no evidence to prove that. Not a single photo. Not a single police report. Not a single person witnessed anything close to violence from Travis toward Jodi.

It infuriates me toward the witness, certainly not toward the prosecutor. She has made a mockery of millions of women who have suffered abuse from partners... real abuse, not imagined abuse, not just mean words, not just ugly text messages. If I were on that jury, I'd be thoroughly pissed off that this "expert witness" chose to defend the abuser over the victim--to the tune of $300 an hour.

One thing I feel I have to say is that I know in the past many women who were being seriously abused did not self identify because their partner had never laid a hand on them or maybe only once.

I had hoped that by now people would understand this subject better. You do not have to be physically hit to be very seriously abused by your partner. Everything that ALV said, in general [forget about Jodi for a minute], about domestic violence is true. People should pay attention to it. And, yes, given enough time, it will become physical, because it escalates, but by then it may be too late.

IMO

 

[Truth Detector]

Did anyone who is watching/watched NG today catch what year JA was bridesmaid in Patty's wedding? When they were showing still photos of JA holding the camera at the wedding, one of the photos they showed, where she is touching the lens of the camera, shows her left ring finger knuckle sticking out like she did in court.

If the wedding was PRIOR to the alleged finger breaking incident, then the photo proves she is double jointed and did not get a broken finger from Travis, IMHO!

What?

JA is a liar?

Can't be.

I just heard a $250/hour 'expert witness' say she wasn't.

Someone's lips just keep moving...

 

[thefragile7393]

She obviously has issues IMO, showing up like a groupie now that she has been removed. Yeah she could have taken money already but if she holds out, the dollars only get bigger. Mark my words, she will sell out before any other juror does.

I would have shown up too if I could. I suspect I am not the only one who feels the same way. And if she talks after the trial is over, so what? I've seen it happen after several different trial verdicts. Big whoop.

 

[seattlechiquita]

:waitasec: Seriously?? Why would the attorneys let their kids read here, they are representing the most hated self admitted killer, if they let their kids read here they are dumber then one would think.

Also they choose to be court appointed defense attorneys, representing murderers.

Part of what makes the justice system work- everyone is entitled to a defense. And folks who work at the public defenders office are, in my book, way more closer to the ideal of justice than, say, Kim Kardashian's dad. The same way they represent people like JA, they represent folks who are wrongfully charged and would never be able to pay for a private attorney.

Both sides in this case are doing their job. It's not a popularity contest me thinks. Jmho

 

[AngelWings444]

I love this information, this tells me clearly, 5 prior DV Experts did not find her the victim of abuse (we call that doctor shopping)

Which is why the DT is fighting so hard to have the billing records sealed from the press!!

JMO