trial day 41: the defense continues its case in chief #122

[TXHoney]

http://www.kpho.com/story/21872239/arias-trial-juror-no-5-talks-for-first-time-since-being-excused

Juror #5

 

[artsy1]

Did anyone who is watching/watched NG today catch what year JA was bridesmaid in Patty's wedding? When they were showing still photos of JA holding the camera at the wedding, one of the photos they showed, where she is touching the lens of the camera, shows her left ring finger knuckle sticking out like she did in court.

If the wedding was PRIOR to the alleged finger breaking incident, then the photo proves she is double jointed and did not get a broken finger from Travis, IMHO!

Sorry about quoting myself, but a Google search shows that the video was from 2004 - 3 years before the alleged finger breaking incident!

Juan Martinez, if you or your people are reading websleuths, go get that NG tape from the HLN truck for your rebuttal. :rocker:


ETA: link to wedding video: http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/04/04/exclusive-video-jodi-arias-bridesmaid


watch JA's left ring finger closely around the 1 minute 46 second mark when she keeps touching the lens of the camera.

 

[SamuraiPie]

Unfortunately I think AL knows how to push JM's buttons, as when she asked him "Are you angry with me, Mr. Martinez?" Kind of like when Jody tells Travis to "Have a good day" after he's argued with her via text. They both know how to defuse people and it's a manipulative tactic. But in the end, I have no fear that Juan will wrap everything up neatly and nicely. A few times during his cross of Jodi, I was like "Why is he going there?" but then it made sense after re-watching his performance. The jury doesn't have that luxury though.

 

[ClosArgs]

Is that it for the defense witnesses now?

Good question. Does anybody think there is going to be any surprises after Alv? I know KN subpeonaed the shooting range video, but how's he going to bring it in or was that just a red herring?

 

[AlanCFA]

Husband and I were just talking about Snow White and he said, well she did have to clean after seven men. I said she wasn't going to stay there rent free, everyone had to work and besides in the Disney version she made all the woodland animals do her work either with her or for her.

Yep. As they said in the 60's, a$$, gas, or grass - nobody rides for free.

 

[Equinoxical]

Shoot me, but I agree. She may have an archaic view on todays world and still looking through Elton John's star shaped, rose colored glasses, but she was a pioneer in DV. She fought the battle when the rest of us were kids. I do believe she is sincere, but unfortunately in a time warp with todays mores and sexual equality. Imo she is wrong, but not willfully so and not because she is being paid.

No shooting! I just want to point out that she's testifying that these things she's extrapolated from JA's journals and their talks together -- this abuse JA supposedly suffered at TA's hands -- justifiy his horrible murder. She can talk about poor JA being abused until the cows come home, but when she comes away from all of this with the belief that the guy who had his throat slashed isn't the victim... well something's wrong there.

 

[TXProfessional]

I'm sorry, but I disagree with you.

I do as well. With all due respect it is the responsibility of the therapist to evaluate the facts based on critical thinking skills, not a preconcieved and largely cemented internal state of functioning (or arrested development if you will) and there is clear evidence-based facts that indicate the defendant is an obsessive stalker with a personality disorder, while there is no evidenced based facts that the victim was abusive or disordered--conflicted and perhaps even addicted to Ms. Arias brand of sexual seduction. It is important to remember that domestic abuse victims do hide abuse but while Jodi Arias did not hide anything, Mr. Alexander went to great lengths to hide his shame about his relationship with the defendant. I hope this makes sense. BTW as a professional I am embarrassed and appalled by ALV ineptitude and I feel that she is seriously out of her league---she is using the very tenets that she rails against in DV such as rationalization and justification to support her arguements.:banghead:

 

[amberjul]

in thread #121 Pufnstuf said:


I immediately thought of how she would question an abusive man within her group therapy session. Get him to realize he even IS being hostile. Maybe he doesn't realize it. Find out if his anger, ostensibly toward her, is really toward someone else. Let's delve into this, shall we? Juan, were you b****t-fed as a child? Do I remind you of your mother?

Juan is NOT a patient or client of hers, and she needs to get that straight and adjust her own demeanor accordingly. Yeah, he's coming across as an a*****e in his current persona, but she does NOT have the power here; HE does. She needs to suck it up, move on and just answer the questions.

During this first part of cross I found myself thinking "Alyce, this is Juan's arena, his job, not your playpen."

 

[Spyglass]

i could be totally wrong because I'm no lawyer and am not legally savvy, and maybe it is really awesome strategy that I cannot see, but I kinda feel like the Snow White thing was overplayed.

If the jurors are focusing/pondering on a fairy tale all weekend, I think it's a good thing. After days of testimony about abuse, battering, journals, text messages, what do you think the jurors are thinking about?

He didn't have time to refute days of testimony (and he did not tip off DT to his strategy next week), but he implanted lingering thoughts of a fairy tale.

Next week, we will hopefully see the detailed taking apart of the last few days testimony. He will show it was a fairy tale.

 

[Angelina Frost]

I can't see them. I don't know if that's good or bad...

Believe me, you are in the better position. They're obvious to me, but I've got more crust than a dungeness crab.

I wish they wouldn't be so prolific and take their agenda to a different place. It's not perception in this case- they're completely wrong here. Either way it's a good test not to allow ignorant people to ruffle your feathers.

They are unimportant in the long run, needing to dissent to prove that their lives have value. Rogues, if that makes any sense.

Doesn't matter- justice is coming for Travis. When they speak, I pretend I'm deaf and all is well.

 

[Venom]

I'm believing she was in an abusive relationship where she was on the receiving end and trying to extricate herself from it.

I'm still not sure what happened that day in the light of this or what can be proven about it. The trial's not over yet. But, JM has to get his act together or he's going to completely lose me. You can't bully the truth.

IMO

So she was trying to extricate herself, yet drove however many miles to go to Travis'??? :what:

 

[SamuraiPie]

I knew I wasn't alone! Anyone here have a mini-crush on Mike Gallanos?

 

[katydid23]

I agree with you Molly. ALV has also given me a new perspective that I now think there is a chance a juror could identify with JA. I also think JM is acting obnoxious and it is not needed to get his point across. His rage at this witness might not sit well with the jury at all and it does sound like rage

What does it mean to 'identify' with JA? Does it mean that she was justified in stabbing him repeatedly in the back and slitting his throat?

I don't see anything that ALV brought out on the stand that showed Jodi had a reasonable fear for her life from Travis. JMO

 

[DebinGA]

Late 1980's I left a physically abusive man...I read every book including L. Walker's book. Years later it still affects me. I wanted to here her talk on DV. What a disappointment.

ALV is bias to the extreme....toward women/against men. Blinded (by what???) She fails completely to see the power Jodi had over Travis...and to acknowledge Jodi as a stalker and cold blooded murder. I would say more about what I think of ALV...but I am new and don;t want to get kicked out!!

Half the day was spent deconstructing Travis' May 26 "you're a sociopath" - "the worst thing that ever happened to me" email. Taken in context of all Jodi had put him through the past year, he sounds like someone who's finally thrown off his chains and shouts to his oppressor, "I'm finally free of you," but ALV saw only the evil words of an abuser coming from nowhere for no reason whatsoever.

 

[gypsyblue]

JM~ he who is the only voice for Travis, is receiving nothing but snark and pretend confusion from ALV!

He is THE voice for Travis, doing his job and asking a question that ALV knows the answer does not favor the killer and she has the nerve to talk to him like an abusive client and say
"Mr Martinez are you angry with me" ???

proof of her bias that ALL MEN are the abusers.... Wow just wow

She continues to look at the DT when she answers with her smart arse smirk on her face
for approval

She is a hostile witness in my opinion

And pat Er I mean donavon needs removed stat with her continuous shady antics!!!

Rant over...

 

[seguek9]

The problem is with JM using this reference - is that the jurors cannot google, or have any means to get a clue to the whole reference. He doesn't need this. Arghhh, my first JM what the heck moment.

Believe me the jury is lost, other then knowing she had a seminar with Snow white/ or references to books using Snow White.

He did cite that she wrote/presented this as an ALV theory. They will get it....if they havent already...at least when they go to deliberations....

 

[Boytwnmom]

strategy. Jodi, the sweet, peace loving, loyal, never jealous victim of Travis, a complete abuser who wasn't a VIRGIN! The whole defense is based on a fictional fairy tale that is insulting to anyone with common sense. It's beautiful. Juan knows what he's doing and where he's going and they don't have a clue and they are shaking in their booties, as well they should.

The TH's tonight are making me crazy criticizing Juan as though he isn't completely intentional and methodical in everything he is doing, including being "angry". He got the main defense witness to state in open court that the slaughtered Travis Alexander is NOT a victim. Of course, he's angry. Any civilized person would be.

I see him equating the fairy tale and how it fits to so many things. I love it.

 

[Liebchenmutti]

Oh boy. I have to also disagree with the majority. I just started watching cross. I dislike what Laviolette did during direct. I think she lacked credibility and came at the case from a position of deep bias. But I don't think she gave a bought opinion like Samuels did.

I think this lady actually believes what she testified to.

And even though her testimony was frustrating and felt cruel at times, I don't think she is hated like Samuels was. I think her opinion lacked credibility and I disliked it. But I Think she herself is like able and Juan Martinez is making a mistake by yelling at her and acting frustrated.

I disagree. No reasonable person can take Jodi Arias' story and believe that it is true. ALV truly believes Jodi? Well, consider exactly what that means:

-Travis Alexander was an abuser, sexually, emotionally, physically,spiritually, financially to JA in a LONG DISTANCE RELATIONSHIP THAT LASTED 5 MONTHS

-Travis Alexander was a pedophile

-Travis Alexander caused his own death by attacking JA while naked and in a seated position in the shower--self defense

-The gun used was NOT stolen in a staged burglary of Jodi's current residence, her grandparents;

the gun, a pretty unusual caliber .25 auto COINCIDENTALLY WAS THE EXACT GUN THAT TRAVIS ALEXANDER HAD IN HIS CLOSET

-It is reasonable for a person to use 3 5 gallon gas cans full of gas because they are "unfamiliar with the highway to Utah" meaning that it is in the realm of possibilities that a major HWY would not have gas stations

-There is a reasonable explanation for Jodi to lie about purchasing a gas can at Walmart and returning it; evidence will show she bought it and never returned it.

-The whole rope story--bringing a knife into the bathroom, measuring out 20 feet, needing it to be perfectly create "nooses" around her wrists, and then telling different stories to her experts about what happened afterwards

-It's reasonable to encounter a group of "skaters" in a shopping center near a highway; and that presumably for fun, they take a screwdriver that they have with them and remove her front license plate and position it on the cement slab under the car; they are also responsible for removing the back license plate and putting it back on upside down as a "prank"

It goes on and on and on. Jodi's story is not believable on any level, much less a level of a person with an education and years of experience in abuse.

ALV needed the money and she agreed to lie on the stand to get it.

IMO

 

[Sleuth5]

Shoot me, but I agree. She may have an archaic view on todays world and still looking through Elton John's star shaped, rose colored glasses, but she was a pioneer in DV. She fought the battle when the rest of us were kids. I do believe she is sincere, but unfortunately in a time warp with todays mores and sexual equality. Imo she is wrong, but not willfully so and not because she is being paid.

Hey now...leave Elton out of this!

 

[gngr~snap]

Or this one.. shows my age..my first concert

Monkees - Valleri (with lyrics) - YouTube

Mine was "Loverboy" red hot pants?
yeah... I am old!