trial day 41: the defense continues its case in chief #122

[Lorelilly]

Alyce used all her expertise to gloss over the fact that Jodi ended up driving across state lines on a sneaky visit in the middle of the night to go bug Travis some more. Alyce isn't going to admit Jodi felt anything but love for Travis when she oops had to kill him.

After today I'm more inclined to believe Jodi killed Travis out of revenge and pay back for believing herself wronged. There's a lot of hate, rage, and jealousy under that passive-aggressive mask.

ALV did a disservice to JA and her DT. When she won't even entertain the thought that Jodi did anything wrong she comes across as a hired gun and a poor one at that. JA was 50% of that dysfunctional relationship and by refusing to assign some blame to her ALV's entire 6 days of talk talk and more talk don't amount to a hill of beans.

 

[deedee21]

This woman is trying to apply someone elses truth to jodi.She will never use the word controlling as it applys to jody. Instead she will use the word loving. Shes getting 300 an hr. to be slick.

 

[Venom]

No shooting! I just want to point out that she's testifying that these things she's extrapolated from JA's journals and their talks together -- this abuse JA supposedly suffered at TA's hands -- justifiy his horrible murder. She can talk about poor JA being abused until the cows come home, but when she comes away from all of this with the belief that the guy who had his throat slashed isn't the victim... well something's wrong there.

So in AL's world all abusive men deserve to have their throats slashed?

 

[LambChop]

I also have great respect for your posts and try to read all of them I can.

Regarding that list you gave, what kind of proof does the Jury have of any of that? I've heard an interview where she confronted a female friend of Travis in the bathroom, but did the Jury hear that? Plus, that now looks different to me now that I know TA was cheating on her, lying about it, and gaslighting her. That type of behavior can make you crazy. Going through phone and online accounts fits into the same category of trying to deal with someone who is cheating on you and lying about it. Again, has the Jury seen proof of that? I'm also not sure if stalking has been proven.

But, even so, all this now looks different to me in the light of their relationship and how he was treating her.

As far as interviewing TA, ALV has thousands of his own words in his most intimate and unguarded moments where he had no expectation of a third party listening in. She has been exposed to information that we have not.

IMO

Travis made it clear he was dating others. She'd wait for him to come home from a date. Regardless of what she says now, it's obvious Jodi made it quite clear to Travis that she was willing to engage in a "friends with benefits" type of relationship. Not many males will turn that down. Maybe he was never jealous of other men as much as he was afraid she was having sex with men and he did not want to get an STD.

 

[gloomy]

TH's - why am i watching them? I think it's ridiculous how they're going on about how Juan needs to calm down and watch how he questions Alyce... Juan has questioned DV experts before - Juan is not a newbie. :twocents:

 

[Sleuth5]

If the jurors are focusing/pondering on a fairy tale all weekend, I think it's a good thing. After days of testimony about abuse, battering, journals, text messages, what do you think the jurors are thinking about?

He didn't have time to refute days of testimony (and he did not tip off DT to his strategy next week), but he implanted lingering thoughts of a fairy tale.

Next week, we will hopefully see the detailed taking apart of the last few days testimony. He will show it was a fairy tale.

Agreed. Wickedly clever.

 

[mikeysmommom]

Y'all have a great weekend! Keep calm and let Juan carry on!

Because I have a lot of personal experience with domestic abuse, including losing a friend to it, and I know ALV knows what she is talking about, so I trust her judgment and believe her conclusions. She also is a great teacher--people should listen to her--what she says about the subject is true and clear as a bell.

IMO

You are entitled to your opinion.IMO I wish a study was done on how many woman who heard ALV version of Snow white and became the wicked stepmother kind of woman ALV says you need to be in order to leave the abuser and then were murdered by the abuser.IMO She is very dangerous and has been for years.She is IMO a fraud.

 

[khaki]

Sorry to be a little off this evening's discussion but yesterday someone here mentioned JA's mom called 911 before JA was arrested. I can't find it from yesterday's posts....probably buried somehwere in all the comments, too hard to keep up...does anyone know details or have a link to where I can read more about this? Thanks so much.

 

[Ammonitida]

I'm believing she was in an abusive relationship where she was on the receiving end and trying to extricate herself from it.

I'm still not sure what happened that day in the light of this or what can be proven about it. The trial's not over yet. But, JM has to get his act together or he's going to completely lose me. You can't bully the truth.

IMO

Abusive relationship because she was on the receiving end of several verbal "tirades", one of which resulted from her trying to make him jealous by forwarding an email "meant" for another man to Travis? You see, Travis is dead and she's not. That pretty much validates his "tirade" about her being an evil sociopath, doesn't it?

You're not sure what happened that day anymore? So you believe in freak coincidences now?

So just by pure coincidence, a 25 is stolen on May 28th, two days after the worst verbal tirade found in these messages, and Travis is killed 7 days later with a 25 auto that Jodi admits to disposing of. And coincidentally, her cell phone dies in Southern California and is then turned back on 27 miles from the Nevada border, after being off for 18 hours, during her stay in Mesa.

Did you believe that Melanie McGuire was innocent too and that the 38 caliber she bought along with wadcutter bullets just coincidentally matched the gun and bullets used to killer her husband?

 

[amberjul]

oops. I don't think CP Estes wrote about Snow White... it was Cinderella, methinks. Oh Well.

 

[molly333]

So im an abuser in your eyes then? Cause ive done a lot worse than anything you mentioned travis did as a single guy.

Im sorry I dont see it.



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What ALV is describing is a pattern of behavior that has very deep roots going back to childhood and that one would take from relationship to relationship. The more intimate the relationship, the more that pattern would reveal itself.

Do you dishonor and disrespect your wife, call her horrible names, rage at her, put her down, occasionally kick her [ok we have no proof of physical, but it fits the pattern of escalation]. As ALV said, the abuse in this relationship was escalating at an alarming rate, and Jodi was the one pulling away, not TA.

IMO

 

[usnuzuloose]

I hope I can sneak in and ask a question before it gets buried. Did anyone hear AL say that Jodi and Travis went out bought a rope for the bed? I never heard testimony about that before. Does anyone know?

 

[gypsyblue]

The problem is with JM using this reference - is that the jurors cannot google, or have any means to get a clue to the whole reference. He doesn't need this. Arghhh, my first JM what the heck moment.

Believe me the jury is lost, other then knowing she had a seminar with Snow white/ or references to books using Snow White.

I'm thinkin he can prove her Snow White therapy with JAs drawing of Snow White with a black eye.

Proof she introduced JA to this fairy tale therapy beyond just a catchy title...jmo

 

[Dr. Know?]

JM is excellent. PO her and combat her, make her dizzy, then go for the punch. She's toast. They have been at it before. I love how he boxes. He gets tough right off, it intimidates the witness & also breaks some of that defensive attitude. That cockyness, like Samuels will dicipate or she will show their true colors. ALV to me has been exposed. Good job.

 

[fuzzybutter]

I like him but his nose looks like a ....well....you know what it looks like. And I can't seem to get past that when he starts talking. He's all blah blah blah blah and I'm all wow, I have no idea what he's saying because his nose looks like a p****.

I know. I have horrible thoughts. :slap:

OMG, I am so glad you posted this. Way back when JA was testifying I was watching with friends and one of the said the same thing--now that it is all see when he is talking.

 

[Turtles]

Yep. As they said in the 60's, a$$, gas, or grass - nobody rides for free.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh: Love it!

 

[m1279]

Then you might want to get his name right - Mark. Otherwise, he may think you are thinking of someone else. :giggle:

OMG, I'm so embarrassed right now. I actually googled to make sure I spelled his last name correctly. I'm going back to lurking!

 

[StephanieHartPI]

I'm believing she was in an abusive relationship where she was on the receiving end and trying to extricate herself from it.

I'm still not sure what happened that day in the light of this or what can be proven about it. The trial's not over yet. But, JM has to get his act together or he's going to completely lose me. You can't bully the truth.

IMO

No no no no no Molly..trust me she was not in an abusive relationship with Travis. She may have abused Travis but he did not abuse her. You don't have a relationship that lasts only a few months, and now you're back into the home of your grandparents with no worries and you chose to travel back and move in free with a girl 3 miles from him so you can stalk him.

If I could only tell you the Witnesses that were not allowed to speak about things she did and said because they are too prejudicial to her.

If anyone says he begged her to come back he made her come back, he had this hold on her. Wrong again, if that were true she would move back in with him in the house, not in a room 3 miles away.

That is called stalking.

There are plenty of truly abused women in the world who need our help and our sympathy. Jodi is not one of them.

 

[pferrin]

Every time I get heated at their ignorance, I remember the ignore function and I feel calm again. My ignore list is growing...

Plants/moles from the is innocent site are very easy to spot. The come with an agenda. No logic of course, but they never give up.

It's it is the same as the defense team reads here and they post here
Don't give them ammo. We have Mr Martinez he is so much smarter
Than they will ever be. Have faith in him

If you feel like arguing with someone...don't engage. Post with someone
Like minded or just read.

 

[ClosArgs]

No shooting! I just want to point out that she's testifying that these things she's extrapolated from JA's journals and their talks together -- this abuse JA supposedly suffered at TA's hands -- justifiy his horrible murder. She can talk about poor JA being abused until the cows come home, but when she comes away from all of this with the belief that the guy who had his throat slashed isn't the victim... well something's wrong there.

:truce: As I said I think she is wrong. The problem with AVL is her inability to adjust her thinking to todays sexual norms. She is biased, but not by money, instead by time and her inability to see sex doesn't mean a man is in control. Women have evolved sexually and she just doesn't get it.