trial day 45: the defense continues its case in chief #135

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  • #1,441
Jodi is a bad liar. Therefore Jodi must be telling the truth. It's not even noon and I need a drink.

Folks really should watch the police interrogation videos if they haven't already. Det. Flores didn't believe her first lie, or her second lie, so that's proof that she told the truth? Occasionally I tell people that don't follow this trial what's going on, and they look at me like I'm from Mars.
 
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Oh I know :-( and I agree with you, this will never be undone as far as Travis and his family goes. I just needed a mantra to calm myself. I get very angry hearing what this defense team and their experts and the person they are all defending and protecting, the one who has all the rights, the one who has admitted to killing Travis, are allowed to do over and over and over to Travis and his family.

Grammie, I am not mad at you. :) I am mad at them. :banghead:
My chest started hurting, my breathing was labored. And I realized how stressed I was. I feel I am being violated all over again by this defense expert. And I actually hurt inside for Travis' family. And for Juan. LAV and I are the same age. I would go toe to toe with her any day. I probably have more life experience than she does counseling experience. And when others here talk about how she is respected in her community I realize the world has truly gone mad. Each to his own opinion....
 
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Ms LaViolettes testimony requires us to enter into a topsy turvy world where the victim is guilty, the abused is the abuser, a genuine female victim of DV always minimizes and conceals the abusive behaviors of her abuser and the physical results of the abuse, while a genuine male victim of an obsessive stalker instantly alerts the authorities to the stalking behaviors and his fear of them.

Over the 44 hours she spent with Arias, and with the several books she bought for her, she - perhaps unwittingly - helped Arias craft this preposterous 'self defence' claim. Sadly, and ironically given her use of fairy tale characters to demonstrate her theories, she failed to notice that the fairy tale Arias came up with - complete with the addition of atmospheric 'fog' - falls apart when applied to real world standards of enquiry and evidence.

The Fantasy: A teeny tiny downtrodden female protagonist 'finally' snaps and 'fights for her life' against the enraged physically powerful, ginormous abusive male antagonist! She struggles with him in a life and death tussle on the floor! He nearly overcomes her, but not wait! She escapes - he pursues! She slows him down with A Gun No One Else Knew Existed, yet still he attacks! A magical fog descends, and she finally overcomes him by use of An Enormous Knife That Happened To Be In The Bathroom.

The Reality: A man is showering while a woman he is intimately familiar with takes some photos of him. The camera records the time each photo was taken. The last photo of him alive shows him sitting in the shower. Less than 3 minutes later the man is on the floor streaming blood, dead or very close to death. The woman moves his body, cleans the scene up a little, and leaves, perhaps with a fresh band aid on one finger.

Strip away everything else and focus on the victim's injuries, the ME's testimony, crime scene, Arias's lack of injuries, and the date stamped photographic evidence she left. What was left behind leaves a pretty clear story about what happened in the three minutes - and even clearer story of what didn't happen - between the last shower photo and the end of the hallway photo.

Arias claims TA got the jump on her and initiated the first assault, but barely even bothered to claim she had any injuries from the supposed 'body slam' or subsequent claimed 'linebacker' events, except for describing the most miraculous recovery from being winded ever. Her claim that her shoulder has 'never been right' since comes with no corroborating reports of her complaining about pain, no evidence of disability or request for treatment for said 'injury' over the last 4 years, and the finger injury she showed Det. Flores, if indeed sustained during the events of June 4th, looked exactly like injuries he had seen knife wielding assailants sustain. Nobody has testified that during the following days/weeks Arias had any bruises or other injuries. Remember this alleged assault on Arias was not the act of a secretive DV abuser, who might well have deliberately inflict blows where they would not be visible, but the act of a powerful, enraged, raging bull who was going to KILL her.

The defensive wounds to TA's hands alone, coupled with the sheer volume & type of other injuries she inflcted on him tell us that from very early during the 3 minutes. he was incapable of either attacking her, and had only limited and temporary ability to defend himself.

From the photos recovered from TA's camera and crime scene pictures, everyone, including the Jury knows the incident was over and done with in no more than 2 minutes, that it began at the point the camera took the first 'accidental' photo, in or close to the shower, (see blood evidence, his not hers), that Travis Alexander was naked and wet when it began, and continued to be naked throughout. His bathrobe is in the crime scene pics, still hanging on the hook right next to the shower, because he didn't have time to put it on, use it to stem blood flow, or use it to attempt a 'fluffy' defense against the knife/gun with it bundled up. Why? Because he was already badly incapacitated both mentally and physically due to the initial assault/attack in or near the shower.

A further early distinguishable, separate injury/'event' (see blood evidence, his not hers) occurred at a LOW level near to the end of the bathtub/toilet cubicle area, indicating TA was already on or close to the floor at the time. At this point he was within a few feet of two sets of bathroom scales. He didn't grab a set and belt her with it. No evidence at either the crime scene or on her person to suggest he slammed her head against the floor, the bathtub, wall, or the toilet room door. He apparently had very little conscious awareness as to what had been done to him/what was happening to him - if he had, he might have locked himself in that toilet cubicle.

Instead, TA made his way to the sink area to check out whatever the hell it was that had happened to him. (I'm going to make a guess here. It was an injury that he could not see, or that he couldn't comprehend even though he could see it, hence the instinctive move towards the mirror to 'check it out'). He may not have even managed to stand to his full height at that sink, but he was there, with his back to her, dripping water from his hair/body in with the blood he was shedding, coughing/spraying.

He wasn't conscious/dangerous enough to then effect any flight, or fight. He didn't grab what looks like a full, quite large (and possibly heavy) glass Cologne bottle from the corner of the vanity unit near to the bathroom closet door and clock her with it; he didn't grab the spray cleaner from the cupboard below and spray it at her/swipe her with it; he didn't grab anything from the bathroom closet, like a towel to bundle to try and defend himself or to throttle/smother her with (no blood spatter in the closet apart from what wicked up the cardboard box); he wasn't strong/conscious enough to punch her lights out, (leaving visible bruising for days/weeks) grab her and smash her head against any part of the vanity unit, bathroom or closet door, twist/break her arm, or pull out a huge chunk of her hair causing her scalp to bleed (leaving visible scabs/bruising for days/weeks).

An alert, conscious, able and especially a rageful person could/would have done any or all of these things but all he actually achieved was a few attempts to grab the knife or deflect the knife with his hands, and turning HIS BACK to her.

There was no time in the two minutes for the closet interlude as described by Arias to occur. There is no evidence whatsoever that any closet interlude occurred during those 2 minutes.

She went on to stab him many, many more times following that initial shower/bathtub phase of her attack: so many times that while the crime scene is awash with blood (all his apart from one print) there are no further 'distinguishable' knife wound blood spatters, IIRC, until the final throat slash near the end of the hallway something like 15 feet away from the sink?

Why? Because the assailant had complete power over the victim. He simply wasn't capable of fleeing her, defending himself or attacking her. That single hair of hers found near the bathroom door would have been a CLUMP if he had pulled it out. She didn't scratch him, or pull his hair out, because she had no need to. She had inflicted a possibly fatal, certainly fatally debilitating injury early, and each successive wound weakened him further through shock, pain, blood loss, damage to tendons/muscle etc. He never got near enough to her to inflict any kind of 'struggle' injuries on her. She only got that close to him after he was incapable of defending himself or inflicting any 'struggle' injuries on her.

The multiple wounds he suffered when his back was turned - whether curled up trying to shield his head/chest, or crawling/dragging himself away from her - are utterly damning. In particular he was no longer capable of moving away from her at a quick enough pace to avoid that telling cluster of nine wounds on his back.

By the time the first of the 'accidental' photographs of TA during the attack were taken, the incident had progressed to the hall the hall. In the first of those phtos, he was down, out, prone on the floor and streaming blood, while she was upright. Yet according to the M.E Arias went on to inflict at least one more fatal type wound (the gun-shot) when he was already dead or close to it. We do not know whether his throat had been cut when the final two accidental pictures were taken. There was a large amount of blood streaming over his shoulder, but remember, he had had been stabbed several times on his front torso, and on the right side of his neck. Those injuries could also have caused the blood streaming we see in the pictures.

By her own account - every single stab wound she inflicted on him, was inflicted after she had shot him in the head. Every. Single. One. And let's imagine her 'fog' lifts and she recalls an epic life or death struggle during which she happens across the Enormous Knife That Happened To Be In The Bathroom, or even manages to wrest it from the hands of her alleged attacker? She can't conjure up retrospective defensive wounds, cuts, bruises, scratches, scalp wounds, broken bones, cracked ribs, or stab wounds to her body, or her blood instead of his all over the scene.

LaViolette helped Jodi Arias craft a fairy tale to try and excuse/explain why she slaughtered Travis Alexander, but nothing except pre-meditation can explain the evidence we have about the two minutes, or the two weapons used.

Wow - thanks for this post! I have tears in my eyes after reading it, just thinking of what Travis went through. The death penalty is not even enough for her.
 
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Woah, Nellie!
Excellent post and thank you so much for sharing.
 
  • #1,445
Wonder how many jury questions there are? Won't the defense and prosecution get to review them as they did before? Something tells me court is going to end early today.

Maybe they're reviewing them now, during the lunch break.
 
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They all turn my stomach, that's all I have to say. I'm hoping so much that the jury's questions will leave us with encouragement that justice will be served ~ finally.
 
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Has anyone added up the $$$ Ms. ALV has racked up in this case so far? I'm not good at math, but it goes something like this per hour:

$250 per hour for preparing for trial (she testified to 44 hours prep)

$300 per hour for her testimony

Also, I would bet my eye teeth she is getting comped for air flight, hotel room, rental car, all meals while in AZ, etc.

Good Lord, that's a whole lot of money. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ :what:

44 hours spent with Jodi.....

How many hours reading everything she was provided?
 
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If Ms. Arias was a really good liar then she would have planned a really good lie, and she didn't."


Which one wasn't a good lie? The first one, the second one, the third one, the fourth one?

Really, what good story could have justified what she did?
 
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I loved AL's comment that "Travis wasn't a sociopath." Who's saying he was? Did it ever occur to her that she was dealing a sociopath across the table when she was interviewing Jodi? Psychologists admit that even they can be duped by a sociopath.
 
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:floorlaugh: I love Bette Davis. Someone else has my avatar and I get confused now..

You have 47 posts so you're not a newbie any more. Time to go wild with the avatars!
 
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Woo to the Hoo!

A blizzard rages outside my window, preventing me from driving to work today, the defense rested this witness on the weakest statement one could imagine, some excellent Earl Grey tea leaves are steeping, a bottle of bourbon is at hand... Oh how i <3 Thursdays.

:seeya:
We're supposed to be getting that blizzard tomorrow...
Cheers!

....never heard of anyone mixing earl grey and bourbon before...must try....:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
 
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I wonder if ALV was one of the "radical" feminists who defended Andy Warhol's shooter, Valerie Solanas.

Now there was a radical chick!! SCUM Manifesto....

I'm off to Google :skip:

(I'm guessing no connection......but I haven't thought about Solanas in ages....
 
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HLN's Mike Galanos just reenacted the license plate incident. Switched rear plate up side down and removed front plate.
 
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I cannot get a caller from Kentucky awhile back to HLN out of my mind. She was severely abused, her husband backed her into a corner and she did shoot him 5 times. Now, she said it was overkill but I don't know if she was charged or not, she was calling so she was free. You could hear the emotional pain and remorse. She thought Arias was lying. She said she heard no remorse for taking another person's life, how you think of them every single day, all the time, how hard it was to live with taking a person's life that you loved. That's true DV, self-defense.
Why did Jodi do? Went and got more knives and a new gun, created lots of stories in her diaries and wrote dupe letters to family, lie-lie-lie to people and family. That's a cold blooded, psychopathic murderer.

Oh and dont forget, she dry humped Ryan a few hours after the slaughter.
 
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A Juror could really have some fun with her if they wanted to.... I probably would! :blushing:

Me too! I would ask her to spell "STALKER". :giggle:
 
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After what she's done...she'd better hope it's enough to sustain her the rest of her life...because her career is shot!

if her testimony affects her career in a negative way she will ultimately be deemed a VICTIM.

MOO
 
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So she compares Travis lying about being a virgin to JA lying about killing a man? Tomatoes, tomahtoes

Well, if we use the guidelines Jodi said Travis told her about then I guess he did not think he was lying. Unless Jodi was lying about him telling her that. In that case she could be lying about all the sex they had had. We know they had some but it may not be to the extent that she would have us believe.

If ALV did not have her notes with her when she met with JW because she left them in California (find hard to believe) but she did have her notes when she met with JM, then how could her notes be wrong. She told JM her notes reflect that Jodi said she pulled the trigger and shot Travis in the closet and that the knife was left beside the bed. If she is taking notes about specifics of the crime scene why would ALV put it in her notes if it were not something Jodi told her. I love that she said she was not concerned about what happened at the time of the crime but ALV still asked Jodi and Jodi gave her a statement.

I think those who work with ALV will have a problem with her testifying she made all of these serious errors.
 
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KCL said security guards are watching JA very closely today. Wonder if she did have some kind of tirade last night.

Maybe they found that pencil she hid in her jacket yesterday.
 
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That's doubtful. She will likely hammer anything she thinks the jury needs based on the type of questions answered. It was wise to not draw out the re-direct. She needs to get this witness off the stand.

ITA. This witness is disastrous for the defense. JW seems to respond to witnesses like this by going over each and every point Juan made on cross, as if to say "see! here's the real reason" or whatever. It's not good though.

We've been hearing some stories now for the 10th time--Bianca, Lisa Andrews, etc.

I can't figure out why they are trying to paint Travis as a "player." When I was dating in my 20's, the relationships I had were sexual--with one man. So if I were to date 3-4 men at one time, it would look like I'm promiscuous.

This wasn't the case in Travis' Mormon dating circle!!!! Things rarely went beyond kissing passionately & Lisa Andrews didn't know that a male getting an erection was beyond his conscious control!

I hope the jury is seeing this distinction. I feel like the defense is misrepresenting what went on in "dating" in Mesa.

And also--ALV makes it seem that there is a moral law that dictates that a person is permitted to get angry ,but never to express themselves in an angry way.

I beg to differ. If someone was molesting my child, I would express myself in a physical attack to stop it & I'm sure I'd be screaming obscenities.

She attacks Travis' anger and outrage at Jodi's blatant manipulations and baiting as "domestic violence." ??? I'd be calling her something far worse if she did that to my friend.

I've noticed a real bias in how ALV interprets data. She is allowed to be angry, express her outrage, irritation, and contempt for Juan Martinez--but Travis may not give Jodi an earful after she lies and betrays him. That doesn't make any sense.

Maybe ALV has worked with battered women so long that she has tunnel vision. Like arson investigators. They unusually find arson, even if it's not.
JMO
 
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:what:

...so basically, ALV believed JA because she thought her lie wasn't good enough?

Alrighty then...
That convinces me....

Let's follow ALV's points.

She said that she believes Jodi Arias.

Arias says that she has an Einsteinian IQ.

Therefore, according to ALV, JA would tell only "really good lies."

Ergo, if it sounds like a really bad lie, either Jodi didn't tell it, or ALV believes that it's true.

Because JA told so many bad lies, ALV believes they were actually the truth.

This means that ALV believes that Jodi wasn't there on June 4, that she didn't hurt Travis and never would have, but also that she killed him in his house on that date.

ALV also believes the intruder story (because it was a really bad lie) and JA's later refutation of it.

How could such a person ever be taken seriously? Let alone be considered an 'expert' witness?
 
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