trial day 45: the defense continues its case in chief #137

[bsk]

Juror question: "Did you read or view any interviews involving Travis's friends and family?"

Anyone else think that Nurmi will demand another round of interviews with the jurors, purportedly to find out if seeing interviews with F&F triggered this question? His job for weeks has obviously been to try to obtain a mistrial, and after yesterday's juror questions the DT will become even more desperate to do so.

 

[Nhic]

Symptoms of being a Misandrist:


(1) The desire or the acts to subjugate, oppress, punish, harm, injure, or murder males because of their gender.

(2) The deliberate preference of a female's lie against the truth.

(3) The belief that no father can be a fit parent.

(4) The assumption that masculinity, male physiology, and male hormones cause males to become evil, sexually abusive, oppressive, and violent. The corollary assumption is we must raise boys as we do girls, in the image of misandry, without regard to a child's unique qualities, preferences, hopes, and desires.

(5) The assumption that every male is or can become sexually abusive, oppressive, and violent.

(6) The assumption that females cannot be sexually abusive, oppressive, and violent.

(7) The attribution of negative qualities and humanity's historic evils to the entire male gender while ignoring female culpability.

(8) The promulgation of false statistics against males regarding rape and family violence. The parallel assertion that female acts of abuse and violence against males are insignificant and are justified as self-defense.

(9) The tolerance of female violence and abuse toward males.

(10) The suppression of evidence of female violence and abuse toward males.

(11) The encouragement, filing, support, or toleration of false allegations and charges against a male because of his gender. The corollary is the encouragement, filing, support, toleration of her false allegations against a male because of her gender.

(12) Lying or the deliberate creation of false information against any male because of his gender.

(13) The deliberate repression or distortion of facts showing female culpability or affirming a male's innocence.

(14) The suppression of a male's testimony because of his gender.

(15) The falsification of transcripts, police reports, court reports, and evidence such that the fraud affects a male.

(16) the denial of historic male spiritual, intellectual, humanitarian, and material contributions to civilization.

(17) The act of coercing women to lie against their husbands.

(18) The act of coercing children to lie against their fathers.

(19) The act of encouraging and instructing females to contrive, or testify to, false allegations of family violence, child abuse, child molestation, or rape against a male.

(20) The act of making false allegations of family violence, child abuse, child molestation, or rape against a male.

(21) Falsely testifying against a male. False allegations of family violence, child abuse, child molestation, or rape.

(22) Blaming males for all psychological and social maladies.

(23) Encouraging or persuading another to lie against a male because of his gender.

(24) The beating or abuse of a male by a female for personal satisfaction or material gain.



Sound like ALV to you?

 

[kscornfed]

Yes, it was very early on in the first 9 days. I believe in the link for transcripts of the trail on the first page, there is a link to the youtube and written transcript of what she says.

I love that link. It is wonderful to be able to go back and check my thoughts and facts. I *think* the defense has been presenting their cic for more than 30 days compared to the 9 days of Pros case.

Kelly

thanks so much. off to find it.

:seeya:

 

[momof7]

Agreed. She only gets away with speaking to grown men that way because they are court ordered to be there and take her crap.

I had wondered that too. I mean, I am sure that she would have to come across as in control and not taking any crap from 'people' who are in her group.

I do wonder though what we are talking about as being a 'success' when you are done with your group? Cured? Does she personally know what that rate is? Or what about recidivism(sp) from her group?

K

 

[Wake_me]

I also enjoyed the question about how many of the 18 forensic cases she testified in was a man the victim? I'm watching her count on her fingers again, and she comes out with the number 2. I LOL'd thinking "you really need your fingers to count to 2?"

In fact, including this one it would be 3.

 

[Truth Detector]

Does anyone know what happened there? Its been part of the story I can't find much information on.

Other than there was a disagreement and mom said the heck with it she is going home?

Initially I was thinking that she sent her mom home because she was staying after all no matter what.

K

Samuels admitted this while under cross-exam.

From HLN:

Martinez pointed out Arias had bouts of anger before the alleged trauma of killing Alexander on June 4, 2008.

“When she was a teenager, isn’t it true that the defendant had such anger toward her mother Sandy, that she treated her like crap,” said Martinez.

“Yes,” said Samuels.

“And isn’t it true that they argued all the time, right?” asked Martinez.

“Yes,” said Samuels.

“And isn’t it true that during that time, the defendant hit Sandy for no reason?” asked Martinez.

“Yes,” said Samuels.

“And this was all before this June 4, 2008 incident?” asked Martinez.

“But it’s irrelevant for the diagnosis,” said Samuels.

“Am I asking you that?” asked Martinez.

Martinez also referenced another incident when Arias allegedly became physically violent with her mother.

“Isn’t it true that, at some point, one of the times that they were together, they were sitting down for dinner or something and isn’t it true that the defendant got mad and kicked Sandy for no reason?”

“I read that, yes,” said Samuels.

“For no reason, right?” asked Martinez.

“That’s what it says, yes,” said Samuels.

 

[Schuby]

Juror question: "Did you read or view any interviews involving Travis's friends and family?"

Anyone else think that Nurmi will demand another round of interviews with the jurors, purportedly to find out if seeing interviews with F&F triggered this question? His job for weeks has obviously been to try to obtain a mistrial, and after yesterday's juror questions the DT will become even more desperate to do so.

Good question. I wondered, when I heard that question, "What interviews?" I didn't make the connection that they may have meant media interviews.

 

[momof7]

Juror question: "Did you read or view any interviews involving Travis's friends and family?"

Anyone else think that Nurmi will demand another round of interviews with the jurors, purportedly to find out if seeing interviews with F&F triggered this question? His job for weeks has obviously been to try to obtain a mistrial, and after yesterday's juror questions the DT will become even more desperate to do so.

That is one thng about the jury questions that has me on edge. Wondering if a question will out the fact someone watched something or read something.

I was thinking this question was more along the lines of those witness testimony by Lisa Andrews, Mimi Hall etc. Not sure if the jury saw the testimony by Chris/Sky Hughes. They were referring to the fact these witnesses testified TA was never abusive as far as they were aware and that JA was stalking him.

I could be totally wrong though.

K

 

[iSleuth]

did mimi hall testify in this trial? i see a picture of her on the stand but i can't find her testimony and it's so long ago, i can't remember anything about it!!

Yes, it feels like a long time ago. I believe, the Jurors asked her : "did you ever call JA a stalker?"

 

[momof7]

I agree about Nurmi......but we have her mom, DB, Mit lady, and who ever else watching....

Good point. I would bet MS or mom.

K

 

[Elley Mae]

I'm not sure I buy that they really targeted juror #5. It's more plausible to me that Nurmi was looking for some reason, any reason, to dump a juror just to save face after that embarrassing episode when he motioned for mistrial and called JC to the stand to testify that the jury had been tainted by Juan signing a freaking cane outside the courthouse.

I am very curious to hear from juror #5 when this is over. I personally feel that JC will be involved with her dismissal. I remember watching court that day that JC was all blabbing about a female juror and just by the way JC was talking about her I felt that there was a bit of- how do I say, dislike?,jealousy? it just seemed personal or something the way in which JC was talking about this juror. Oh and I do remember JC said that this person was writing alot. jmo

 

[basilcat]

I also enjoyed the question about how many of the 18 forensic cases she testified in was a man the victim? I'm watching her count on her fingers again, and she comes out with the number 2. I LOL'd thinking "you really need your fingers to count to 2?"

In fact, including this one it would be 3.

:floorlaugh:

 

[Arabian Girl]

Can Nurmi tell which jurors are asking which questions? I was wondering if that is why he was after juror 5 ...because of the pro prosecution questions from her.

I think everyone can see when a juror puts a question in the box, but I'm not sure. He's certainly not doing anything else...maybe this is his job from now on!!

 

[camcneishg]

found this from 3/25
In 2008 she was not a teenager . . . when JA moved back to Yreka she and Sandy got in a big fight - even though sandy was helping her move . . . right

they never got along . . . JA was always mean to Sandy for no reason . . ..

the same person who lied to police - filled out the pds and gave wrong information about the triggering event . . . .

these issues were present with her mother . . .
we discussed the issues @ length . . .. . that is only one of 3 criteria . . . . they were sitting down to eat dinner and JA kicked Sandy for no reason (objection - overruled - JA is frowning and angry!)

3 phone calls made after 6/4 and you will disregard april 2008 . . .. events .. . .

irritability and outbursts of anger you will

how many calls (3 calls)
there were several calls - pattern of anger became more intense according to what JA told me . . . . elevation of the intensity of her anger qualified her for that diagnosis . .

 

[justsharing]

I didn't realize until today that his "talk" on the phone sex recording said something about porking or corking a little girl. Imo, that's just disgusting regardless of which word was used. The fact that Jodi spoke with him after that is just mind boggling to me. She clearly has a mental illness (not one that justifies murder) and the rest of my thoughts on the subject violate the TOS. ewww!

eta: just jumping off your post since it referenced the recording.

IN my opinion the comment Travis made was in reference to a girl pleasuring herself and reaching climax for the first time. Icky, of course but not far outside of average dirty phone sex talk, Especially if Jodi liked to play the little girl.
It's the only recording of their intimate discussions that we've heard. We have no idea of how their fantasies came about. He made no reference to wanting to have sex with a child or to see a child sexually:moo:

They were role playing in my opinion and in that role play Jodi was the dirty little girl.

 

[raisincharlie]

Yep. Public humiliation. The jurors gave it back to her with the side-glances questions.

I particularly enjoyed the one that had the exact time she did it and the question asked. A simple question with real attention to detail...


You all did see the pictures of JA with her first love Bobby right ? Her pigtails were perfect.

 

[Arabian Girl]

I can't remember who goes first to cross-examine the jury's questions, defense or prosecution??? In other words should I plan to vacuum today and watch JM on Monday???

 

[Schuby]

I had wondered that too. I mean, I am sure that she would have to come across as in control and not taking any crap from 'people' who are in her group.

I do wonder though what we are talking about as being a 'success' when you are done with your group? Cured? Does she personally know what that rate is? Or what about recidivism(sp) from her group?

K

I'm sure she has helped many women to either escape abuse or recognize it in their past and work through their experience but, after getting this peak at how she views the world, I can't imagine that many men have received constructive treatment from her.
People with anger and abuse issues are usually intensely fearful and insecure, they feel small. I don't think ALV can interact with that type of person without signaling that she thinks they are small too.

 

[Annie]

I keep thinking about how the DT could have gone a different way without totally trashing Travis Alexander's reputation. The man lost his life, his future, and due to this defense, every shred of his reputation. I don't think it was necessary to bring in the sex angle for days on end. A person may say things during sexual experiences that they think will always be private between them and their partner. It is obvious to most of us that Jodi was into this as much as he was. I think there were other ways they could have gone without their experts ruining their reputations and creating such disdain for the defense team. She admits she did it in addition to the overwhelming evidence. How can things that go to prove it be seen as too prejudicial when we know she did it? She is entitled to a defense but that shouldn't include completely destroying the reputation of the one she murdered. How can her feelings outweigh his? Our system has gone too far to the rights of the criminal and too little to the rights of the victim. I will be so glad when this is over. It is making me have feelings I don't like to have.

 

[Becky Sharp]

She did so much inane rambling yesterday. The questions rewlly exposed how fragiley built her opinion is.

She has got to be hurting this morning. They went after not just her conclusions but her methodology too, a much bigger indictment of her as a professional. Plus, it was one thing when it was Juan questioning her, she could blame his agenda and blood lust as a prosecutor for his criticisms. But this is the jury and they have no agenda but the truth.

Hello to all of you! This is my first post, so please forgive if I mess up.

ALV's final statement about JA not being a good liar, etc: sure sounded Einsteiny-scripted to me! I'm surprised she didn't add "Ta Da" after and a do a dramatic flourish.