trial day 45: the defense continues its case in chief #137

[Truth Detector]

Let's clear up "corking the pot", shall we?

 

[deanna82437]

If this has been seen before apologies...I can't remember where I found it! :facepalm:

It's Jodi's Motion after the State denied her plea offer. She literally threatens the state she will trash TA's reputation, family, friends and church.

Perhaps ALV should have read this before taking the little wall flower under her wing.

It's disgusting. :furious:

http://grahamwinch.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/jodiariasngfile.pdf

Disgusting is right. It reads like a playbook for ALV's testimony. I wonder who actually wrote it.

 

[molly333]

Wow I completely disagree that they should have allowed her to plead guilty to 2nd degree. This evil woman premeditated and planned this killing, and this poor man suffered a brutal and painful death. She doesn't deserve to get out of jail...ever. I Agee with the state's decision to go for murder one.

That's fine. You just can't complain, though, about the horror show we're witnessing and Travis' memory being dragged through the mud.

IMO

 

[Sleuth5]

'Tis a brisk sunny morn! :seeya: Ursa appears to have found greener pastures, so I must be content with watching the deer and zombie turkeys whilst enjoying a fine Kona blend...

Do you roast your own, pray tell, or simply send the turkeys to the market?

 

[InALandFarFarAway]

What the heck is a "linear syllabus?" She is trying too hard to be Einstein. It's not working.

I was an English Lit major & Jodi comes across as illiterate and inarticluate. You can use big vocab words in a sentence, but that doesn't make it a good sentence. She's a poseur.

P.S. here's how badly she misused the phrase "linear syllabus:"

A linear syllabus covers its teaching items once only, a cyclical or spiral syllabus more than once, enabling them to be treated at different levels of complexity. Basics may be introduced on the first cycle, with later cycles providing revision and coverage of more difficult points. ( 1988 ). The ELT Curriculum . Oxford : Blackwell

<modsnip>.

Agree.

I’m pretty sure Albert Einstein had a better grasp on the meaning and proper use of “contemporaneous” which Jodi loves to pieces (“The lunging and the gun going off were sort of contemporaneous”) vs “simultaneous” which is more accurate when referring to the alleged “lunging” and “gun going off” at the same time.

I think this jury is plenty smart enough to realize Jodi’s “fog” is contemporaneous with questions she can’t answer or lie her way out of in any convincing way.


We’ll just ignore her entire de edify nonsense when she really meant disedify. More

Thank you very much. Now I can't get these Jodi-isms out of my head. Remember her reference to Greenwich as GREEN WITCH time? lol

 

[VALee]

Well since Lifetime is supposedly doing a movie...what actress gets the job of AVL..or maybe she can play herself.

K

I think Meredith Baxter would be a great pick, since we need an expert actress.

 

[nursebeeme]

I'm sure he had a sexual relationship with Deanna. Didn't he buy her breast implants?

1) we don't know that
2) I never heard that. I did hear that DB bought his ex wife implants and then arias got some for her own self

 

[Litigatrix]

Top of the morning folks!! Friday has actually been my day to be completely SLAMMED at work to make up for the time wasted on trial days...but it looks like another wasted half-day as we finish up juror questions (or as Nancy Grace would say..Jur-rawr questions!). Let's hope for some good ones!

 

[beeshie]

The "waxing blame" is about as dumb as "my feet hurt due to my excessively impractical high heels, so men are to blame".

As far as I can make out, as a student of sociological gynecology and "The Junk" Studies, the depilatory trend has a few aspects:

1. The overall trend towards hair removal. Really, look at some nudes from the history of photography. Seems as soon as exposure times were fast enough to allow subjects more mobile than a rock, people were taking photo naughties. I defy you to find a nice, demure Carte De Vista nude of a perfectly nice young lady who wasn't also as hairy as you please in every area hair naturally sprouts. I could be wrong, but from old advertising, I have an impression that pit shaving wasn't even a thing until the 1920s, probably due to a complete move away from 19th Century women's clothing that persisted until WWI.

2. The advent of bathing suits which were cut in such a way that some form of hair removal was necessary not only for aesthetic reasons, but because tufts could get pinched. Also, as a commuter and recreational cyclist, the shaving done for that activity has nothing to do with aerodynamics and a lot to do with the effects of chafing and what happens at the juncture of body hair and elasticized Lycra. My bike shorts are actually ringed with a gasket-like rubber seam at the bottom of the leg, and that can pinch.

3. movies. The idea being leaving a clear line-of-sight to the bits people like to see in action. 'Nuff said. Said industry can also be blamed for the evolution from the "natural" to the "landing strip", the "pubic topiary landscaping" and the dreaded "Hitler".

You can see the single thread running through that is "if people don't see it, we don't shave it". If that's the case, I encourage women to shave as much as they want, and then come 'round to my place, 8-ish.

None of the above has anything to do with pedophilia any more than women shaving their legs and armpits could also be an attempt to preserve a neotonous (juvenile) appearance. Maybe there's something to do that, but both men and women try to appeal by being youthful and, in my case, actually work hard so as to never grow up.

The idea that shaving, considering all the factors that go into it, is imposed on women by the evil child rapist patriarchal conspiracy is just another one of those "just so" stories where people start with their cynical little baggage-laden conclusion. Which, like many of these types of observations, tell you a lot more about the flea-butt narrow mind of the person making it.

I blame Britney Spears.

 

[nursebeeme]

That's fine. You just can't complain, though, about the horror show we're witnessing and Travis' memory being dragged through the mud.

IMO

people can most certainly complain if that is their opinion.

 

[beeshie]

I think Meredith Baxter would be a great pick, since we need an expert actress.

She was my first thought, too!

 

[Ammonitida]

1) we don't know that
2) I never heard that. I did hear that DB bought his ex wife implants and then arias got some for her own self

6 year relationship and they didn't have sex? Not buying it at all.

 

[cricket49]

The premeditated killer just closed her eyes on that statement.

An abused woman does not know when to stop when they kill...


I brought this over from watching Jodi's reaction to jury questions yesterday.

I believe when she closed her eyes she really believed "she could not stop killing" Travis. However, it was not from abuse but from jealousy and rage.

 

[minor4th]

It seems to me that too much of the questioning in court, and the debate both online and in the media is over actions and situations which never occurred at all.

If you could strip away all the allegations from the mouth of the self-confessed lying defendant then what you would have left is simple.

TA was unable to tear himself away from the unaccustomed lure of free sex. JA clung on to the notion that his interest signified something long term. When at last it became blatantly obvious to her that he was growing and moving on, she ended his life in a cold-blooded and premeditated burst of jealousy.

The so-called experts have simply muddied the water with mostly uncoroborated cr&p. The defendant lit the fire for this circus and it is now burning and feeding off itself. I am relying on JM to bring back simplicity, calmness and dignity in his closing and that the jury forgets all this fabricated hyperbole.

The defense has done their best to muddy the waters and obfuscate the real issues, which are in fact very simple. The issues that are being discussed are really not relevant at all to the matters that the jury must decide.

I believe that the defense intended to cobble together a case of self defense that had at it's cornerstone Travis' drive to keep secret his pedophile urgings -- that was supposed to be the secret life that would have made him feel so threatened by Jodi and given him such strong motivation to silence her. However, the whole pedophile thing fell flat, and the jury didn't buy it -- and neither of Jodi's experts even seemed to believe it or put much stock in that as a key factor in the relationship between them.

Since that didn't work, the secret sex life is now the back up "double life" that is supposed to have provided such a threat and such motivation, but that just doesn't seem to have the same force. Especially since the whole history of abuse is not believable, as the defense would have liked.

 

[Nosey Parker]

It seems to me that too much of the questioning in court, and the debate both online and in the media is over actions and situations which never occurred at all.

If you could strip away all the allegations from the mouth of the self-confessed lying defendant then what you would have left is simple.

TA was unable to tear himself away from the unaccustomed lure of free sex. JA clung on to the notion that his interest signified something long term. When at last it became blatantly obvious to her that he was growing and moving on, she ended his life in a cold-blooded and premeditated burst of jealousy.

The so-called experts have simply muddied the water with mostly uncorroborated cr&p. The defendant lit the fire for this circus and it is now burning and feeding off itself. I am relying on JM to bring back simplicity, calmness and dignity in his closing and that the jury forgets all this fabricated hyperbole.

Perfectly put! :rocker:

 

[nursebeeme]

6 year relationship and they didn't have sex? Not buying it at all.

she has not testified yet. perhaps we will hear from her in rebuttal?

 

[TigerBalm]

Good morning all..Just back to W/S so please forgive if this has been asked..The defense keeps making a mockery of Travis' virginity..Could it be that he WAS a virgin before this temptress(JA) came along? His circle of friends were mostly people from his Mormon community and they knew the vows of chastity. Seems Jodi did everything to entrap him from the beginning..That could be why he behaved the way he did with his "first timer"..

:welcomeback: Dolly!!

 

[LambChop]

Respectfully snipped for length, by me


I'm sure you're not suggesting ALV wishes Travis' fate for her own father; all the same, just a friendly reminder from yesterday's moderator cautions:

"If you have made disparaging remarks about the defense team or their witnesses, go back and delete your comments or alert the post and ask that a moderator delete it for you."

I believe that refers to "personal" remarks about that person, such as: the way the look, the way they dress, etc. I don't not think they mean assessing what the witness has said or examples she uses in court. Comments about what ALV states in court are permitted. We do it all the time. We just need to stay away from snarky remarks about witnesses and defense. That is my understanding. jmo

 

[G&AMom]

Listening to the juror Qs now. Wow, ALV really doesn't understand alot of straightforward Qs. Unbelievable how dense she is being...wonder if it is intentional or not.

I find this an interesting issue. Samuels did the same thing. They certainly grabbed the opportunity to continue on with their lecture, and at the same time were actively trying not to think about what prompted the question. I also don't think either of them thinks very fast. Plus there's probably a strongly held belief that someone can't be questioning their opinions, right? I mean, they're the "experts."

Do we know whether ALV saw the questions in advance? I don't it would have made much difference, I'm just curious.

 

[Sunny_In_AZ]

Let's clear up "corking the pot", shall we?

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