trial day 45: the defense continues its case in chief #137

[Schuby]

well, that's the debate...

The thing is that at no time that we know of did Travis take steps through legitimate means to keep her out of his life. And, three weeks before his death, he is carrying on hours of sex tapes with her and saying loving and flattering things to her.

Do the men you represent do that? Do they continue to have sex with the woman who is abusing them even though they are not married and living in separate homes and even separate states?

Do they refuse to take out restraining orders? Or to report violations to the police?

When did Travis decide that Jodi was a problem? Because I don't see him doing anything to protect himself from her.

IMO

Well, he did send her packing to Yreka.

 

[zoozoo]

Yup. Her tripe. I actually believe any statistics stating that could be wrong because how many men are going to admit they are being abused by a woman with anger and rage issues?

Travis had anger towards her. Whoooopiedooo. She deserved it. However, he did not have RAGE and did nothing wrong or inappropriate in his actions towards her (from the evidence we have).

and in regards to anger.......who on this Earth does not express anger? The most sane person will express anger when it is deserved! It is not a sign of abuse like Alyce tried to tell everyone. her ideas of domestic violence are warped and completely irrational. And she still sat there with the audacity to say that Jodie was never a stalker/abuser, etc.

Who was the one in that relationship with more power and was the abuser? it was most certainly NOT Travis! It was that woman - Jodi!
Yeah, she spewed a bunch of tripe.

BBM. ALV likes to repeat, "It's not the anger that is the problem. Everyone gets angry. It's what the person DOES with the anger". Somehow she never mentions what JA did with her anger (murder, over-kill) and how it compares to what Travis did with his (mean but honest text/IM).

 

[minor4th]

Just saying
I truly believe nurmi, gave birth to the pedophilia story, It's his specialty. I just wonder how many families have been falsely accused because of his need to win at all costs and that's what this trial has been for them.

I really think it was Jodi who came up with it, and I even suspect that Jodi even made such accusations directly to Travis before she murdered him. We'll never know, but I have a feeling that might have had something to do with the long ranting text messages he sent her on May 26. Jodi may have accused him of pedophilia and mentioned the phone sex tape and what he said about braids and the 12 year old girl comment and threatened to tell his friends and colleagues. Who knows?

I just really have a feeling that this was an issue that Jodi tried to hold over Travis before she killed him.

 

[bexlex]

Good morning all! Question for all the informed sleuths here:

When Travis said he was scammed, are we sure it was the sex tape and not a financial thing? Him threatening to sue her would send her over the edge. Was it ever proven that money wasn't the root of her "snapping"?

 

[nickster]

Good morning to you, too. It's been raining here in NYS- computer gets screwy because of the rain.

I'm going out now to pick up some ciggy's and Chinese food- chicken with broccoli, fried rice, egg roll- to prepare for the trial this afternoon.

:seeya:

I see you are from upstate NY, so am I. It's pouring here outside Albany.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I'm sitting here thinking... How presumptuous ...she had the audacity to claim she understood intent, feelings and relationships, even for the men in her groups...




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[LambChop]

I disagree that it's because people don't understand DV. I think it's because people DO understand DV, and see that it didn't exist here.

And FWIW, I agree with Alyce that Travis did have anger and even rage, and that his texts were over the top and an inappropriate expression of anger. And if one were given no context for those texts, if one did not know of all that Jodi put Travis through before it got to that point -- I can see how someone like Alyce might quickly conclude that Travis was like so many abusive men she has worked with.

I agree with you that there is a lot going on here, but it is not in the defense's interest to bring light to all that was going on. I have mentioned before that I represent men who have been in abusive relationships -- and I've seen many men at the point where Travis was on May 26. What looks like anger and rage is more accurately an expression of extreme frustration and feeling trapped and hopeless, and at the same time helpless to extract oneself from the ties that bind. I can't tell you how many times I have seen women actually trying to provoke such a reaction and then using it against the guy, just like Jodi is doing. Those issues are so complex that I do not think they can adequately be explained in this trial -- but maybe through Juan's expert.

I have to believe by the juror's questions that at least one, maybe more, of the men on that jury have had experience with a personality type such as Jodi's. Maybe not to the extent of persistence that Jodi showed but I'm thinking pretty darn close. They have to be thinking......"what if?"

 

[Boytwnmom]

It struck me during the cross when JM was asking ALV about the "leading questions" when she went to visit her and she had to "pull it out of her." That leads me to believe that the ninja story was abandoned only after ALV effectively turned her into a victim. Otherwise we would still be hearing that Jackie Chan and Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon of Arizona came into get Travis and benevolently let her escape due to her own karate skills.

I can see the light go off...wait, wait, NOT Ninjas, abuse, I've been abused! And, what else....pedophile!

I still don't get that one. Doesn't "flow" well. You really have to "pick just one" from the sexual category. Either he's obsessed with sex and makes you do degrading sex acts for his pleasure and he acts sexual toward all women OR he's a little boy loving pedophile. Big red flag to anyone with a clue-those two don't go together.


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[Snoods]

You have to keep in mind the questions are being read in the order they were submitted.
The witness was on direct for 6 days with Willmott.

That's true, thanks for reminding me of that. I actually liked her in the beginning so I'm sure the jury was trying to give her the benefit of the doubt at first. IMO the questions grew progressively snarkier as the day wore on.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Duped initially perhaps, but I cannot see, with her years of experience in DV, that she remained ignorant. I do believe she looked at all the conceived advantages to herself in remaining on the case, and elected to go along with the defence strategy.

Well she has always interpreted the situation to fit her preconceived notions, so all of her experience was gained with a closed mind. Her experience with DV is little more than her confirming her biases against men, evidently.

 

[Maryann123]

Bringing this over from the jury q thread.

We know they are targeting jurors.

After reading the book by the jurors in the SP trial, I'm wondering if these jurors had to answer a lot of written questions during the selection process also. That leads me to wonder if the DT has access to them and could they target specific jurors by comparing their handwriting from other documents and jury questions. If so, some jurors definitely have a target on them this morning.

I'm sure they have a way in place to give a good guess as to which one submitted the question. They could have a system as simple as having a dedicated jury observer during testimony to note who submits a question and at what time.

Tell me I'm being a worrywort.

Didn't the judge have a sheet of paper with the questions typed out? Not that I saw the paper, but it appeared she was reading many questions from the same paper. I figured they were typed up for the attorneys and nobody saw the handwritting. I also noticed the paper in the judges hands had no folds. Another reason I believe nobody saw the original jury questions.

 

[Nezumi]

Travis does not fit in that box. He was not living with Jodi. He was in his own home. She did not have to be around him and he certainly did not feel guilty because he was dating other women. It does not appear that was ever a problem for him. Alyce is trying to stuff him into one of those DV boxes and Travis does not fit. There is nothing "domestic" about Travis and Jodi's relationship. JM has already proved in court that the day Jodi said she saw Travis with the pictures she was not there. He did this through the text messages between them. She worked until 6pm and he was at his meeting at 7pm. She went to bed with a migraine once she was home. It never happened. If it never happened then what are the chances the broken finger happened the following day...zero....since we have all seen Flores' interview with her where she shows him her left hand where the tendons were cut from the knife she claims the ninja had as she tried to protect herself. Flores calls her on it and tells her he was seen that type of wound before when someone stabs their victim and their hand slips on the knife. If she lied about those two days and the State can prove it and it is reflected in her journal that nothing significant happened those two days no amount of abuse that she claims happened can be believed. There goes Alyce's theory right out the window.

This cannot be emphasized enough: He. Was. In. His. Own. Home. A home that he did not share with JA. She took extraordinary efforts to go to where he was. Not only was he in his own home but, other than being sound asleep, he was in the most vulnerable position I think any of us can imagine ourselves in: naked, wet, trapped in a shower stall.

 

[nursebeeme]

Well, he did send her packing to Yreka.

he also told friends he was afraid of her (hln interviews) and now that the defense opened up the doors to the stalking we will hear more about the tire slashing and stalking in rebuttal.

 

[VALee]

Does anyone have any idea what the May 26 TA text was about (2 days before the gun was 'stolen'? I still can't seem to find anything at all about it, maybe it hasn't been released yet and is a 'smoking gun' that will come up soon in the trial?

 

[Ammonitida]

Yup. Her tripe. I actually believe any statistics stating that could be wrong because how many men are going to admit they are being abused by a woman with anger and rage issues?

Travis had anger towards her. Whoooopiedooo. She deserved it. However, he did not have RAGE and did nothing wrong or inappropriate in his actions towards her (from the evidence we have).

and in regards to anger.......who on this Earth does not express anger? The most sane person will express anger when it is deserved! It is not a sign of abuse like Alyce tried to tell everyone. her ideas of domestic violence are warped and completely irrational. And she still sat there with the audacity to say that Jodie was never a stalker/abuser, etc.

Who was the one in that relationship with more power and was the abuser? it was most certainly NOT Travis! It was that woman - Jodi!
Yeah, she spewed a bunch of tripe.

As I have pointed out before, Alyce acknowledged that Travis exhibited no stalking behavior toward Jodi after their break-up. Batterers are jealous and control their partners, and in the event of a break-up by the victim, the batterer engages in stalking. Travis didn't. He barely got jealous when Jodi tried to make him jealous by forwarding that email to him. He was not a batterer. Shame on Alyce for trying to characterize him as such based mostly on a few emails during the month of May when they were a thousand miles apart.

 

[momof7]

I really think it was Jodi who came up with it, and I even suspect that Jodi even made such accusations directly to Travis before she murdered him. We'll never know, but I have a feeling that might have had something to do with the long ranting text messages he sent her on May 26. Jodi may have accused him of pedophilia and mentioned the phone sex tape and what he said about braids and the 12 year old girl comment and threatened to tell his friends and colleagues. Who knows?

I just really have a feeling that this was an issue that Jodi tried to hold over Travis before she killed him.

For all we know that is the truth...and she told him she was gonna save him all by her little lonesome.

Something seriously bad happened around that text. I am onboard with others who think possibly the blackmail with the recording to either the Bishop or his girlfriends or something.

I also agree with your previous postings about pushing buttons to GET a certain reaction from someone. It happens everyday in daily life.

Kelly

 

[katiedid2]

Didn't someone here say!
It's possible that ALV coached her on theDV part and possibly those books she gave her were a tool to use. Tutorial on how a real victim act, after all didn't ALV say she trained cops blah blah? She also trains on how to testify.

The braided pic of her shown on Hln last night, showed her in braided and a superman shirt.
She sure is creative.

 

[EGirl]

well, that's the debate...

The thing is that at no time that we know of did Travis take steps through legitimate means to keep her out of his life. And, three weeks before his death, he is carrying on hours of sex tapes with her and saying loving and flattering things to her.

Do the men you represent do that? Do they continue to have sex with the woman who is abusing them even though they are not married and living in separate homes and even separate states?

Do they refuse to take out restraining orders? Or to report violations to the police?

When did Travis decide that Jodi was a problem? Because I don't see him doing anything to protect himself from her.

IMO

Now, turn that around and ask yourself all those same questions about Jodi. He didn't pursue her ANYWHERE. SHE moved to Mesa. SHE drove over a thousand miles (uninvited) to his house.

:facepalm:

 

[nursebeeme]

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[crz4mm2]

Why do that, ALV is a great witness for the state's case, so I say keep her up there as long as needed.

IMO, She has earned the honor of being a cornerstone speaker for the state's case :fence:

:rocker::floorlaugh:

I went on Urban Dictionary to look up a few of those phrases for myself and out of curiosity typed in ja's name and 3 holed wonder reference came up as the meaning. I almost fell over from laughing.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jodi+arias

:great:

I wonder if she is still going to think the most "bitter words she will ever eat" are still "no jury will ever convict me", when Juan plays the footage of her saying "I would beg for the death penalty".

That would be a great closing to his closing statement....

The murder was premeditated. There is sufficient evidence to prove it, and the prosecution will bring that home on rebuttal. There was never any reason to offer second degree. The jury can come back with second degree, but as soon as they hear from Walmart and Tessoro that Jodi lied to them about the gas cans, the premeditation will be impossible to ignore. Nothing that ALV has said on the stand, even if we assume that it is all true <cough>, can eliminate the premeditation evidence.

IMO

Agreed.

Because Nurmi left the Public Defender's office and went into private practice specializing in defending people with sex-offense based charges, I've long believed that he had seen the looks on the jurors' faces when they heard testimony about what his clients had done. He figured he get the same reaction when Jodi told the masturbating-to-the-photo story. Instead, nobody believes her. Must have come as something of a shock.

As if the CA trial was the end all for defense....

Hear me later. If she does get the DP, she will hail to the universe that it's what she wanted anyway. Her mental state cannot concede that she doesn't get what she wants. Admission that she isn't always in control or that she doesn't get what she wants is in unfathomable to her.

Something to the effect of "I prefer death, oh the selfless victim that I am!"

I agree! She will be the "poor victim" yet again.

Nothing so effectively makes me feel retarded like trying to do my taxes.

LOL. I do my own as well. Thankfully I got them done monday! Now, to pay :facepalm:

I did not get to check in yest. Was too busy at work. 18 hour days suck. Off today though and trying to catch up. Were any of the juror questions outstanding?