trial day 45: the defense continues its case in chief #137

[nursebeeme]

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:seeya:

 

[tlcya]

well, that's the debate...

The thing is that at no time that we know of did Travis take steps through legitimate means to keep her out of his life. And, three weeks before his death, he is carrying on hours of sex tapes with her and saying loving and flattering things to her.

Do the men you represent do that? Do they continue to have sex with the woman who is abusing them even though they are not married and living in separate homes and even separate states?

Do they refuse to take out restraining orders? Or to report violations to the police?

When did Travis decide that Jodi was a problem? Because I don't see him doing anything to protect himself from her.

IMO

Respectfully, the exact same thing can be said of JA in regards to TA being "abusive" towards her. She climbed in a car, drove 1000 miles to lay down beside this pedophile who terrified and abused her.


Just sayin.

 

[Rosemary Pierce]

Good Morning :seeya:

I missed yesterday (at the hospital all day) and am trying to catch up. Did we leave off with ALV still answering questions from the jury?

 

[KMouse]

OT: North Carolina A&T State University in Greensboro was put on lockdown Friday morning after a man was seen carrying a rifle on campus

http://www.wral.com/nc-a-t-campus-on-lockdown-man-seen-carrying-rifle/12334199/

 

[Horace Finklestein]

It's because nobody understands domestic violence. The Defense doesn't even understand their own case. Alyce tried to explain it from the stand but it went right over everyone's head.

Twenty years ago a therapist told me men express guilt as anger. It went right over my head. I had no idea what he was talking about.

But, that's the key. That is why domestic violence escalates. The more the man leads the double life, the more guilt he feels, the more guilt he feels, the more he acts it out as anger, the more he acts it out as anger, the more guilt he feels. IT'S LIKE A SNAKE EATING ITS TAIL.

That is why Alyce said on the stand--it is ok to feel anger, but it's what you do when you feel that emotion that is the problem. And, she pointed out that Travis anger, as demonstrated in the texts, was now over the top as RAGE, and not only that, but a rage which was not quickly abating.

There's a lot going on here, and nobody seems to be getting it, including the DT.

IMO

I can't tell if you're being serious...I hope you aren't. You can't generalize like that, each situation is different and unless one is a mind reader you cannot determine if TA had guilt or if/how it manifested if he did. It's easy to come up with these unsupportable claims about what feelings do and how they cause people to react...but it's just fluff better left to a psychic hotline. This is what happens when professionals refuse to embrace evidence based practices and just start making things up.

 

[minor4th]

Then why isn't the Prosecution telling us this?

Because we haven't heard from the Prosecution's expert yet.

 

[TigerBalm]

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trial day 46: the defense continues its case in chief #138 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

:seeya:

KNOCK KNOCK Please unlock the door

This is what I see when I go to the thread

 

[a/k/a me]

I honestly think that they looked at the success of the sexual abuse allegations in the CA case and tried to adapt the same principle to this case.

No only looked at but took many parts, like Baez' OS...."something is just not right with that girl' (boy, in JA's journal)

 

[molly333]

lol. what can a person do to force a person from their life? even restraining orders do NOT work! crazy person is going to do what crazy person wants to do.

and to say he did NOTHING to get her out of his life is disingenuous at best.

first, we have information of private conversations that went on between them face to face. next, he changed his garage code so she didn't have it. next, he told her off which, this sane woman would take as: go away. how the hell did he know she would end up killing him? most of the crap she did, he probably didn't even know about or have tangible evidence he could take to the police!

and please substitute man for woman. your bias against men is showing. how many women stay in abusive relationships and NEVER tell anyone?! MANY. ive done it myself. im an example of one who never got the restraining order and stayed with him too long.

Explain the sex tape to me. And, don't say men will never turn down sex because that shows a bias against men.

IMO

 

[ilovewings]

she certainly didn't do it by herself. i don't buy the 'she had a breakthrough' story samuels told AT ALL.

the defense does this: 'what can we ARGUE against the state's evidence?'

it doesn't have to be true. that's the prosecutor's job. so they came up with this because it's all they had left.

they'd been through: 1. she didn't do it, wasn't there. 2. she WAS there but some other people did it.

what's left? insanity? that won't work. she did too much to cover her tracks. so here we are. SELF DEFENSE, which is just as unbelievable as 1. and 2., but they had to go for it anyway.

I have often thought that Nurmi came up with this too!

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

:seeya: I'm just asking here, don't take offense, but do you believe our judicial system should allow itself to be blackmailed into giving the defendant the sentence he or she would prefer?

I'm good with Jodi and what she wanted. I'd pay to see her beg for the death penalty.

 

[gauntlet]

Nurse - I still have a Closed on that thread but I can see a few people have posted. Is it because I'm bringing tea instead of coffee?

Btw, trial is from 09:30 not 09:00. Judge S just asked the counsel to be there for 09:00

 

[Linda7NJ]

Are we gonna hear attorney arguments?


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[imawitch]

I've fluctuated depending on whether I'm roasting for espresso (I have a Gaggia that will generate sufficient pressure and temp) or drip. I've done a wide range of Ethiopians ("Yirgacheffe" broadly) just to second crack (only a couple of snaps tops), and can get lots of fruit and great cooling flavor change. Some are actually quite strong with blueberry and strawberry flavor, but only just after first crack.

I've tried a lot from South/Central America. One of the best actually came from Brazil, believe it or not. At full city, it was full-bodied and chocolatey. They haven't had it through my supplier since -- bought 25 pounds of green beans at the time. Still hoping... :coffeews:

I am a coffee addict, my fav bean? Kona coffee beans from Hualalai and Mauna Loa Mountains ... I order whole beans, grind them myself...nothng tastier then good coffee,,,some u cna get green, some sun roasted...yummers

 

[Roy Rob]

I think that even ALV possesses that level of technology.

"Hey look Jennifer! She has a staple in her belly button"

 

[Softail]

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trial day 46: the defense continues its case in chief #138 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

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The doors are locked! :waitasec:

 

[Phoebeb]

BBM

THANK YOU. That was exactly what she was doing, imo. Trying to enrage him, and then her reply= ' Have a nice day.'

It was so disingenuous for the DV expert to pretend that Jodi said ' have a nice day' as a way to DE-ESCALATE. I call BS. That was a passive-aggressive way to upset him even more.

Didn't JA use that same "have a nice day" on one her her snarky tweets too? Not sure- maybe the NG finger tweet or JM height insult?

 

[WhoaIsMe]

Didn't the judge have a sheet of paper with the questions typed out? Not that I saw the paper, but it appeared she was reading many questions from the same paper. I figured they were typed up for the attorneys and nobody saw the handwritting. I also noticed the paper in the judges hands had no folds. Another reason I believe nobody saw the original jury questions.

Thank you for that! I did not watch her ask them but read them here yesterday.

 

[JayB12]

Bold is mine-

But a virgin would not necessarily know this. Some men who aren't virgins don't know this.

I suppose. Maybe I'm just applying simple logic to the situation.

Sort of like a situation where a person starts dating another person and tries to introduce bondage or dressing up in latex or whatever into the bedroom activities. Kind of strange to go right to a behavior that is commonly viewed as deviant right away...don't ya think?

 

[khaki]

.......That said, I think it is professionally and intellectually and morally irresponsible for Alyce to accept only limited information without asking for more context. .......

totally agree, and to hear her say over and over on the stand how important context is!...what gives, ALV?